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#28926 - 06/17/04 04:04 PM Wonke amehlo
nobhutshuzwayo Offline
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#28927 - 06/17/04 04:32 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Ngiyabonga Nobhutshuzwayo! Yamnandi ke i connection yakho!

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#28928 - 06/17/04 05:15 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Registered: 05/30/04
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Loc: usa
amadetete awasoze ambone ngoba ayabe elokhu ephathekile entshontsha amagundwane egangeni bengazi ukuthi ezulwini ipapa yithaphutshiye.

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#28929 - 06/18/04 08:10 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Magandiwa, ungihlekisile ngegama elithi "amadetete", ling' khumbuze igog reni yami - yayi lisebenzisa kakhulu.

IWebsite yakho Nobhutshuzwayo, ilohlonzi njalo le meaning empilweni zethu. Kuhle!

Ngihle ngathatha umfenekiso wayo wonke, sengithumezela ku mpintshi zami, zikhuthale emsebenzini we Nkosi, maybe ezinye zingacina sezi sindisiwe.

Mabila, Ulikholwa yini?

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#28930 - 06/18/04 07:29 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Ngiyakholwa Dokotela. Uyilo na lawe? Kuhle kakhulu.

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#28931 - 06/19/04 11:57 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
Skuvethe Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Isiko nisaliphatha nje bantu abamnyama? Uthwala kanzima umuntu omnyama. Ungaphatha isiko amakholwa athi kalilunganga, ungaphatha uJesu, bathi ufulathela idlozi.

Eishhh!

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#28932 - 06/19/04 02:08 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Mabila, Ngilikholwa lami! Kuhle kakhulu ukuthi lawe ulikholwa. Qhubeka, ngomsebenzi we NKosi.

Mfowethu Skumvete! Lo othe waba lolwazi ngensindiso evela kuJesu, uzahlulwelwa ngomthetho olotshwe enhliziyweni yakhe. Lapha ngizama ukuthi, Now the law of God is in our hearts and man shall be judged by what is in their hearts.

Abadala, abafa bengalizwanga ivangeli lensindiso evela kuJesu, are not affected. Yiwo umbono wami lowo. Yikho ma uthe wezwa ngoJesu, wathinta impilo yakho, kumele uthole ukusindiswa. Utshiye izenzo zakudala, amadlozi, lo kwelatshwa ngomoya yinyanga. Ulandele indlela engcwele.

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#28933 - 06/19/04 03:20 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Kodwa Dokotela kakusikhonzela emnyameni lokho. UJesu wayethethela, laye ewakhonza amadlozi njalo eselatshwa zinyanga. Watholakala etshaya amathambo kwesinye isikhathi.

Lingaqambi amanga lizama ukwehlukanisa onkozo lamasiko konke yinto nye. Abadala labo babemkhonza uNkulunkulu. UJesu kakusuye mdali, liqhawe njalo manengi anjengaye afana labo Mohamed labo Mzilikazi kaMatshobana lo Moshe.

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#28934 - 06/19/04 04:15 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
gazilam Offline
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Registered: 04/06/04
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bhudas ngivumelana lawe 100% ma uthi u jesu wayeliqhawe njenga bo mohammed labo Mzilikazi.
kudala ngihla ngilwa labanye abafowethu ngalento yokubhekela phansi isintu.

kube abelungu bengafikanga khona la e Afrika kube siyamazi ujesu? ngiyala. enye into yikuthi bona abelungu bakhona abalunganga ngexa yokuthi bebela okhokho bethu into eziningi. sinjenje namhlanje kungenxa yabo ngoba bacithiza umbuso wamaNdebele.

ukuthi umuntu ukhonzani sekuyi individual choice.

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#28935 - 06/19/04 07:22 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Bakwethu.

Ngiyafisa kakhulu ukuphendula ubhudas lo gazilam. Nxa ngizakutsho engifisa ukukutsho ngithanda ukwazi ukuthi iBhayibhili lona bayakholwa na ukuthi lugwalo olulembali eqotho nge mpilo lange simo sika Jesu? Nxa bengalikholwa belibona lalo njengebhuku eleza labelungu,hatshi angila sizatho sokuqhubekela phambili. Mina konke engiku kholwayo ngungenxa yokuthi iBhayibhili ngiyalikholwa ukuthi lugwalo olugcotshiweyo ngembali kaNkulunkulu.

Busisekani!

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#28936 - 06/19/04 07:49 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Registered: 04/06/04
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mabila

i'm not disputing the existence, origin and truth contained in the bible. i'm saying all races have their own gods that they worshipped long back before the whiteman set his foot in our beloved africa.

now the question is. should we change our beliefs just because the whites believe that they have got a better religion than us? obviously my answer is no.

all other races continue to worship their gods. why should we shun our culture.

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#28937 - 06/20/04 03:02 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
Mabila Offline
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gazilam

Ngiyakubonga ngempendulo yakho. Ngiyabonga njalo ukuthi uyalikholwa ukuthi lugwalo olungwele. Akusizi ukuxoxa ngezeBhayibhili lomuntu ovele engakholwa iauthenticity yalo. Yikho ngibuzile ukuthi uyalikholwa na? Mina kimi iBhayibhili likhuluma amazwi kaNkulunkulu ngokwakhe. As a result ukholo lwami yikukholwa okuse Bhayibhilini. Lokhu engizakutsho, ngithola isisekelo sakho eBhayibhilini. Angisimfundisi loba isiqeqetshi seBhayibhili hatshi, ngiyafisa nje ukuthi sonke sazi iqiniso. Bible scholars labafundisi ngincedisani ngiyacela. This is just my humble understanding.

In life, sengibonile ukusebenza kwabalabo abalamadlozi lezinyanga, to me it is torture. The demands of such a life are unaffordable. Life in Christ does not carry so much burden.

"In the beginning God created heaven and earth" Gen 1v1. What a majestic display of power and purpose. Kwakungelalutho emhlabeni, wasungula yena uMdali wadala konke esikubonayo kusemhlabeni kunye lathi esiphefumulayo labafayo esiyibo esibakhonzayo sithi ngamadlozi. I have lots of respect for those who have come and gone before me, ngitsho bona okhokho bethu, kodwa kangibakhonzi as a source of any power for my being.

Ku Deuteronomy 5 icommandment yakuqala from Moses kuba Isreal in (v7) "you shall have no other Gods before me" . Ku Ch. 6v4 uthi "Israel, remember this! The Lord-and the Lord ALONE-is our God". Wayebakhumbuza ngoba sebekhathazile ngokukhonza izithombe labanye omlimu.Today we know ukuthi imilayo yabantwana baka Israel was meant for the Gentiles too, thina included as the direct descendents of Abraham.

I Christianity ayizanga labelungu eAfrica as you put it. Yayivele isikhona. The book of Acts largely dwells on the growth of the church after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2 and Africa was not spared. Ku Acts 8 from v26 uPhilllip met with an Ethiopian Eunuch owayevela khonza eJerusalem. This Eunuch after esebhabhathizwe ngu Phillip wajabula kakhulu waya kibo and spread the Gospel. Siyazi ukuthi babevele bekhona abasebekholiwe eEgypt lase Libya.

Into esibulalayo eAfrika yikungabi lembali elotshwe phansi. Mhlawumbe isezatholakala asazi.

Ngiyasithanda isintu kakhulukazi, njalo ngiyaziqhenya ngokuthi ngidalwe ngaba yisizalwa sikaMthwakazi. Indawo ka Nkulunkulu empilweni yami ngiyayazi njalo ngiyayihlonipha.

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#28938 - 06/21/04 03:57 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Mabila,

Amen. Litshove mzalwane.

Kunkundla,

Ngabe uMlungu kaqalanga ukufika lalo, lona lodwa liyazikhulumela ukuthi lalizaze lifike,kancane kancane, mbijana mbijana kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo. Yikho ubona ilokhu ingakezi iNdodana kaThixo, isalindele ukuba livakale kuwo wonke amagumbi amane omhlaba ukuze nxa ibuya kungabikho ozavika ngokuthi akalivanga. Ku Matthew 28:19-20 kuvela ubizo lokuthi malihlanyelwe umhlaba wonke jikelele iLizwi. Ku Sambulo (Sambulelo / Revelations) 14:6-7 kulengcizelelo njalo yokuthi maligijinyiswe ilizwi kusizwe nesizwe, kunhlobo lenhlobo ngolimi ngolimi. Wena-ke muntu omnyama ufunelani ukuzitshiya ngaphandle kwalo umbuso ongelanketha lobandlululo? Kulo umbuso sonke sizabe sesilingana nje kungasekho ongcono kulomunye. Kuyabe kungaselazimpi zomdeni phakathi kwamaNdebele lamaShona, amaNguni lamaKhalanga kumbe amaVenda. Siyabesesimunye.

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#28939 - 06/29/04 02:52 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Sikhulu

Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 268
Loc: T.O
Knati zihlobo,ngike ngibuze njengoba okhokho babe lenkolo yabo yesintwini, umntwana omhlophe engakezi levangeli. pho litsho ukuthi Okhokho bayoshona ngasemlilweni(gehena) ngoba bengamamukelanga uJesu? [Mad]

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#28940 - 07/01/04 05:59 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

Umlando wesintu uthi Ibhayibhili labuya lifihlwe ngemva koMkhonto wabelungu (guns). Esintwini kuthiwa uhelwane alungeke luzobika indaba zejuba. AN EVIL MAN CAN NOT COME WITH THE NEWS OF SALVATION.

They disposesed our people, and made us into mud leaking beggers more chastised that an ox of 20 years on the york will look wilder. After our societies were so disorganised, in order to destroy any form of rebellion, langena ke iBhayibhili, ukuthi ungabangi okomhlaba, ngoba okwakho uzakuthola ezulwini.

I SAY THIS BIBLE IS NOT AUTHENTIC, ngoba angiboni ukuthi UNKULU-NKULU can be thought to be so hopeless that he needs a human being of flesh to speak for him. YENA UNGAPHI???

Imbali zakithi ezesintwini ziyasitshela ukuthi besivele sikhonza, ngandlela bani, njalo kanjani.

The vocabulary of the Bantu is so broad that it requires determination ukuze umuntu angahlanganisi imitsho. Namhlanje abantu bayahlanganisa Inyanga, le Sangoma, ngoba sesithatha khonokho okwathiwa sikutsho ukuthi ngo WITCHDOCTOR. Lihlazo lelo. Uzwe kuthiwa ULIKHOLWA NA??? in reference to Jesus!!! Lathi siyakholwa, ngoba ibala elithi INKOLO livele ngelesintu. Sikholwa kumdaliNQANGI.

History tells us that there are many Kings of the Europian race who have made their own versions of the bible(Fom Igor, Constantain, James) that today we even have the American Standard Version. So what is original and Authentic there anymore. Okuliqiniso yikuphi???

Mina I only tell these things so that people can know their background, and only become what they are not, out of their choice, not out of ignorance.

MAKHOSI.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#28941 - 07/01/04 06:33 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
Bhekuzulu Khumalo Offline
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Registered: 11/19/01
Posts: 231
Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
The new testament is nonsense, a nonsense brought by the likes of Rhodes and Moffat an enemy of abantu, do not ever think other wise, you will be lost.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html

http://quinnell.us/religion/reasons/jesus.html

Hamba endlelani yakho. uNkulunkulu silaye we knew him before the arrivals of albinos. We knew there is one God. Do not turn the other cheek.

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#28942 - 07/01/04 03:40 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
GESTAPO Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
Bandla

singahlanganisi izinto ezehlukeneyo. inkolo zinengi emhlabeni kanti njalo silezinkambiso ezehlukeneyo. okuthabisayo yikuthi uJesu sesimazi sekuyinyama yembongolo. mina labendlu yami sohlala simthandaza uJesu. let's make a date bantwabahle, mina ngithi lanxa ngingalala(die) kodwa mhla welamangqamu mhla ehlakhona uzokubonakala okumelakhonzwe. abanye bathi ngumohamed abanye bathi ngamadlozi mina ngithi nguJesu, aziphakwe imfumba singaphikisani singalwi luyeza usuku.

ekwevangeli lamakhiwa khohlwani that was pure counterfeit christianity more of anglicism than christianity for example christmass, easter, virgin marry, ubufata, ubusista, worship of the saints,worship of the dead(saints) all these are mere mythological contemporaries of paganism.

as for the bible being written in greek not aramic simply becoz greek was the language of the learned aramic was never used in literature.

the devil stated this pagan worships long time befor the Messiah so that such parallelism will be drawn hence christianity be rendered a by product of paganism. try these two links www.666man.com or www.amazingdiscoveries.org

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#28943 - 07/02/04 02:40 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
Zwangendaba Offline
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Bafowethu.

When the DEVIL started these parallel worships a long time ago, where was GOD. Wehlulwa na uGOD lowo??? Sekuyikhona evusa ikhanda na??? Mina ngifuna ozangiphendula okweqinisa, qha ukungidingisa ingwalo ezalotshwa yibo labo bantu abangamaqili.

Angikaphendulwa njalo umbuza wami wakuqala, ARE WE SAYING GOD IS SUCH A HOPELESS SPIRIT THAT HE NEEDS HUMAN BEINGS OF FLESH TO TALK FOR HIM???

MAKHOSI.

Li Zwangendaba.

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#28944 - 07/03/04 01:18 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Ngqwele

Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
Zwangendaba

mina i-discussion engingayo is based on the bible alone not on inter-religious comparisons but intra with a bias on christianity, and unfortunate enough all my references alotshwa ngamaqili okhuluma ngawo.

ngokuthi uNkulunkulu wayengaphi usatan(santa) eqala ama-counterfeit religions, angikuqgabhazeli, angazi. may be linganceda abanye. i think God can answer that Himself if you ask Him.

well may be abanye bengazama.

ngiyabonga

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#28945 - 07/03/04 07:18 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
nobhutshuzwayo Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 09/03/01
Posts: 166
Loc: Bulawayo
makholwa, mahedeni, zanuse, mathwasa, zinyanga lani lonke. mina ngithembele kuJehova. I don't have the intellect to talk for God or why he does or doesn't do other things. Lalabo abathethela emadlozini uyabezwa bekhala ngokuhlanekelwa ngamadlozi lezinto ezinjalo. owami uThixo ungihola kuzozonke indlela zami.

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#28946 - 07/03/04 09:38 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Loc: KwaGodlwayo
People are afraid, it is not becoz they want to be, but it is becoz of conditioning of years and years. People are now afraid of who they actually are, it is not becoz they want to, but becoz they were made to be. When you talk of tradition, feelings of guilty are the answer. The picture of hell floods their minds. But why, i better go to heaven through my tradition than go to heaven through somebody else's tradition. I am perplexed at why people think that civilisation is christianity, our forefathers were civilised, they had their ways of worshiping the one and only true God, if my ancestors' God is not the true God or different from the Christianity God, i am sorry because if you give me an opportunity to choose i will hundred times choose my ancestors' God "UMvelinqangi". Sometimes i think that there is a correlation between Africans' lack of progress and the love of christianity. You love christianity and end up thinking that God will do everything for you. Our entrepreneurship spirits and aspirations are tamed with the love of this religion whilst the culprits thrive and succeed in life. If we look at these western countries, the very countries that brought christianity to our land, they do not bother themselves with the christianity religion, take for instance the UK, now, more than 60% of the population is not christian at all. Why is it that everything African is evil and a form of darkness or (uncivilisation)? i don't understand. Today i believe the black race or the non-white race form the majority of christians, and on top of that i believe that the majority of poor people in this world are from the majority who love God. Matebeleland today is known as an arid land where no agriculture is possible, but why, because in the past our forefathers used to do a lot of agriculture, what happened to Njelele. If God wants to kill me because i want to worship him in the proper African way then let it be because i can not do otherwise. i believe in God, and our forefathers believed in God, we were not a pagan nation, we were a nation of kings a nation that worshipped and loved God. Some might say that we worshiped our ancestral spirits (amadlozi) i will say no, we never worshiped amadlozi, esintwini idlozi liyathethwa, ukuze likuxhumanise loMvelinqangi hhayi ukukhonzwa. Amen bazalwane! Oh! one last point, my mum doesn't know that i am writing like this and i don't want her to know, please any one who know keep quiet, i am doing this against imfundiso yakhe yobukrestu.

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#28947 - 07/04/04 03:29 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
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Ngqwele

Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
Makholwa

linjani endaweni zonke zomhlabo, mina ngiqine angizazi uPhiri wathi mina fanika njanji so.

lindaba yevangeli eleza labelungu ixwayeni ayisiso siKrestu lesiyana injongo yabo yayiyibuhuquluzu becatshe ngevangeli. yikho lalamhlanje inzalo yabamhlophe ayikunaki lokhu. amagama ancwele asetshenziswa ukwethuka (cursing&swaring).

ibhayibheli licace okuphelele and isiKrestu is very personal the gospel is just a witness the call is simple whosoever willeth let him come.

people don't want to read for themselves. preachers are using scaring tactics like the hell concept where there is a fire which sustains life to torture offenders. they potray God as an revenger who will torment his foe forever.

they teach falls doctrines eg everlasting hell, the worship of mary, the dead, purgatory(isilindo), be rich is a sin(story of lazaru and the rich man), chrismass, easter, haloween, santa, and some other junk.

people read your bibles some christian think there is a verse in the bible which says God help those who help themselves, when they are justifying their selfishness.

God is love i am a christian and very rich and i share my earnings with others by that i get even richer. trust in God and unfortunately there is no other way to him except thru Jesus whether you debate it or not even heaven it'self does not know of any other. one will say but how about those who died before he came check Rms 2:14

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#28948 - 07/04/04 04:54 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
Ndabezitha Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 268
Loc: T.O
sibambamahawu Limqotho lelo.......

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#28949 - 07/04/04 09:46 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
Siphepheli Offline
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[Cool] Amen. Ongafuniyo kayekele. If you care to read the Bible for yourself you will find out that nowhere does it say umuntu akabe yisikorobho somunye. Liyakhuthaza ukuthi ukuze uphumelele kumele usebenze ngamandla akho onke. There are no short-cuts to success. If you take a short-cut the success thus achieved is inevitably short-lived. Kufana nje lokuhle wakhe indlu kungelafoundation eqinileyo. Iyama ye leyondlu kodwa iyadilika ngokuya kwesikhathi. Therefore if you base all your endeavours along Christian ways you will find that you can enjoy the harvest without having to bhada/diza and thereby ensuring that your success lasts. Inengi lalabo abatshaya ama'shortcuts' to getting rich uzathola ukuba whatever they reap is not wholly theirs ngoba banengi abayabe beyilindele ngamehlo abomnvu e.g abomthetho labanye labo abama'shortcuts'.

There is nothing wrong with the Bible on its own. It is the unscrupulous who (mis)interpret it to those not willing to read it for themselves who are bad.

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#28950 - 09/01/04 01:22 AM Re: Wonke amehlo
Nananse Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 08/29/04
Posts: 1
Loc: Indiyana
Inxoxo lezi zimnandi bakamthwakazi.

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#28951 - 08/14/06 08:28 PM Re: Wonke amehlo
Zwangendaba Offline
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Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
Bafowethu.

Ngincindezele:
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Amen. Ongafuniyo kayekele. If you care to read the Bible for yourself you will find out that nowhere does it say umuntu akabe yisikorobho somunye.
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UQINISILE NA BABA NGALOKHU OKUTSHOYO LAPHA??? AWUKHO UMBHALO NA OKHULUMA NGOKUGQILIZA EZINYE IZIZWE??? KHULUMA IQINISA BABA.

Ukwenzela ukuthi lalabo abalilalelayo nxa litshumayeza bathole izibusiso, kumele IQINISA LIVELE KINI BAFUNDISI.

Li Zwangendaba.

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