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#28952 - 07/03/04 08:07 PM
INKOLO
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Lingixolele ma KIRISETU, angidingi kudunga amanzi. Ngisuke ngangena endlini yenu "IVANGELI" lapho likhuthazana khona.
Yikho ku Mthwakazi, ngicela kesi hluzeni lezi ndaba zoku Khonza, kumbe uli Moslem, Krisetu, Usesintwini, kumbe uzimele wedwa, asibonisaneni ukuthi kanti inkolo zethu zehlukene ngaphi, zihlangana ngaphi, njalo labo abathi okwabo yikho okuqondileyo, bakutsho ngaliphi.
Kayibe yingxoxo yokubonisana.
Kuyini uNkulu-Nkulu, u God, Idlozi, Idimoni, etc???
KADE SEZWA AMAQINISA EHLUKENEYO.
Li Zwangendaba.
EYAMI EYAKUQALA YILE.
I have read that JESUS is the son of GOD. And that on the day of his coronation, he will be sitting on the right hand of his father.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN: Is GOD getting old??? Will he die for his son to be corronated as the King??? In turn, who will succed JESUS??? Does he also have a son we know not of yet??? Will Jesus die for the second time or is he going to be the King for ever and ever.
The Bible does not answer these questions. I have three BIBLES in my house, "King James Version, American Standard Version, And the Roman Catholic one, with more books than the other two". Unfortunately Cannan Banana died before his own version of the Bible.
THINA ABOSIKO WE HAVE QUEST FOR REAL KNOWLEDGE.
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28954 - 07/11/04 11:53 PM
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Nduna
Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
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Lezi zifuna abafundi bezokholo. Ngisitsho bona phela o Mullah, Pastor, Rabbi, etc
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#28955 - 07/12/04 01:25 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 171
Loc: Khonale ngaphesheya
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Zwangendaba,
Sengathi uyatsho ukuthi uphethe iKing James le NIV,Thola ithuba lokucela irevelation mayelana lemibuzo yakho,impedulo yayo ilotshiwe kulawo maBayibheli.
Rev.19:10 "The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophesy".Study Revelation in the attitude that,until its pages have shown you Christ,you will forget about anti Christ.The book of revelation says a lot abaout the forces of evil,but always with reference to their conflict with the lord Jesus Christ and his saints who will overcome them and win the victory in the end.
In his early Ministry Jesus preached "the gospel of the kingdom"in the regions of the Jordan -Galilee,Judah,Samaria and Peria(Mtt.4:22,Luk.16:16)his ministry spanned about about 3yrs from AD26-30,HE WAS IN HIS EARLY 30S.
The Messiah ministry was authenticated by many miracles mostly healing of the sick.He spoke to large crowds in the country.He declared the kingdom of Heavens in the synagogues.At times his teachings about the Kingdom was in parables-simple stories of everyday life that illustrated,to receptive minds,the essential spiritual truths about the Kingdom of Heaven.
Jesus is the Lord,Son of God,The Price of Princes,he is the Alpha and Omega the biggining and the ending ,to understand him you have to understand how trinity works.
My brother I pray that you gain understanding regarding this Holy subject.
Peace be unto you!
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Thrower-Majikijela
One who sees the storm coming before the clouds appear.
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#28957 - 07/13/04 04:07 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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quote:
Originally posted by Ndabezitha:
Iqinisa elikhulu yikuthi lathi esizithi singama Kristu iqiniso eliyilo kasilazi. lolalo ucasisa Ivangeli ngendlela abona ngayo ......Sizashona khona ngasesi hogweni .......
From most of the discussions and or impikiswano esihlangana lazo in this forum, ikakhulu kwe zombangazwe usithola sifuna ukuthi eyethu imicijo ibe yiyona elandelwayo kuphela. Kuvame ukuba njalo lakwezakoMoya (ezesiKrestu). Kungela kukholwa ngeke sisikhwabithe kumbe sisiphile isiKrestu. IBhayibhili liyazichasisa lona lodwa alidingi mina muntukazana ukulichasisa ngoba engekho phakathi uKrestu ngeke ngilizwisise.
Until 'self' dies in us, ngempela sizabhubha lokubhubha, as you rightly say, mzalwane. Until all we do or say is not self-serving but serving others there is no salvation spiritually nor politically.
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#28958 - 07/13/04 03:34 PM
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Sikhulu
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 268
Loc: T.O
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#28959 - 07/13/04 05:57 PM
Re: INKOLO
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Ngqwele
Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 171
Loc: Khonale ngaphesheya
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Bafowethu,
ONLY THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE
Kungani thina abantu iqiniso singathi siyesaba ukulikhuluma loba ukulamukela.
Ngitsho lona phela iqiniso elikhulu elilotshwe ebhayibelini.
Uma ungumkristu ibhayipheli lilesithembiso sakho sempilo enaphakade,njalo uma ungokasatani kulesithembiso sakho sokuya egeheni.
Uma ungumkristu ngeke uye esihogweni njalo ungagoqeli wonke umuntu ukuthi uzaya lapho wena ozaya khona.
On the 1st of April, people will be trying to make fools out of others. Thats just a bit of fun, But when one makes a fool of oneself, by disbelief in God, thats serious. This is the fool nobody can laugh at. Why is a person a fool not to believe in God?
The natural universe,the general knowledge of right and wrong,the history of the children of Israel,and Jesus himself,combine to lead anyone but a fool to believe in God,and in his scheme of redemption for life and everlasting through his son.
Lona iqiniso eBhayibhelini liyatsho ukuba ukwesaba uNkulunkulu yikuqala kokukhalipha komuntu.
Ngiyabonga.
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One who sees the storm coming before the clouds appear
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#28960 - 07/14/04 03:18 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Lingazondi, ngoba kalisoze likhulume ngengqondo, kodwa ngoMoya.
Alingiphenduli.
Lingiqhubela phambili lapho kungela mpendulo khona. Kasithatheni umbuzo ngamunye ngamunye ukuze ngazi ukuthi lokhu elikutshoyo KUQANGA ngaphi.
Ngithe, U "GOD", cha uNkulu-Nkulu, nxa ethuma abantu ukuthi bazotshela ngobubi bethu, uyehluleka yena yedwa na ukuzasitshela??? Nxa esehluleka, wehlulwa yini???
Nxa u Jesu engumntwana ka "GOD", ethiwa uzahlala esandleni sokudla esetheswa ubukhosi, u "GOD" usezakufa na???
Lokhu kuzasinceda ukuthi sehlukanise umgogodla le nyama.
Liphendule kungela laka. Ama "BHAYIBHELI" engilawo kawakuchasisi konke lokhu.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28961 - 07/14/04 03:39 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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ZWANGENDABA
AKUCACISE UMAHLUKO PHAKATHI KUKA GOD LONKULUNKULU.
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#28962 - 07/14/04 03:43 PM
Re: INKOLO
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Sikhulu
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 268
Loc: T.O
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Zwangendaba
The English word God is derived from an old Anglo-Saxon word. As such, since the Old Testament was written mostly in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written mostly in Greek, God is not actually found in The Bible, but was used in English-language Bibles to translate a variety of original words of the Scriptures, the primary ones being Elohim, YHVH, El, Shaddai in Hebrew, and Theos in Greek.
Elohim
Elohim, from the Hebrew pronounced el-oh-heem, is the most frequently-recorded Name for God, more than 2,500 times in the Old Testament. Elohim is actually the plural form of its root word, but singular in usage - after all, there is only one God (see The Logos).
Examples where Elohim was translated as God:
"In the beginning God [Elohim] created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1 KJV)
"And God [Elohim] said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness" (Genesis 1:26 KJV)
The Tetragram
The second-most common Name for God is the YHVH, or "Tetragram" as it has been called.
The ancient pronunciation of the YHVH is uncertain, and there have been a number of interpretations. The most common is "Jehovah," which some Bibles use in their translation, while others render the YHVH as "Lord." For example, for Exodus 20:2-3, the American Standard Version has, "I Am Jehovah thy God, Who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me," while the King James Version has, "I Am The Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
There are also a number of Names which use the YHVH in combination. Examples, using the "Jehovah" interpretation: Jehovah-ropheka, "Jehovah that heals" (Exodus 15:26), Jehovah-meqaddeshkem, "Jehovah Who sanctifies you" (Exodus 31:13), Jehovah-tsabaoth, "Jehovah of hosts" (1 Samuel 1:3), "Jehovah-elyon, "Jehovah Most High (Psalm 7:17), Jehovah-roi, "Jehovah my shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
El
El is used over 200 times as a Name for God, often in combination as El, Eloah and Elyon. Many of the faithful people of God had it in their name e.g. Elijah ("The Lord is God"), Daniel ("The Lord is my Judge"). Another name for Jesus Christ was Immamuel (Matthew 1:23) which means "The Lord is with us."
Shaddai
Shaddai is found almost 50 times in the Old Testament, and is usually translated as Almighty. It was first recorded when God spoke to Abraham: "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, The Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I Am the Almighty God; walk before Me, and be thou perfect. And I will make My covenant between Me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly." (Genesis 17:1-2 KJV)
Theos
In the New Testament "God" is used for the original Greek word Theos
ther you go brother God has been explained to you i hope.
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#28964 - 07/15/04 01:30 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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siyabonga Ndabezitha ucacise kahle kutsho ke ukuthi uGod nguNkulunkulu.
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#28965 - 07/15/04 01:57 AM
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Sikhulu
Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 268
Loc: T.O
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#28966 - 07/15/04 10:07 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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#28967 - 07/15/04 09:06 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 805
Loc: KwaGodlwayo
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Deliverance Through Prayer Lord teach me how to pray for salvation and deliverance. Lord teach me how to tie my enemies' brains and hands. Lord for how long should we have to suffer. Lord deliver us from evil and from all inequities of this world. Lord for how lord should your children go hungry, for how long should your innocent children be displaced and scattered throughout the globe. Oh Lord teach me how to be rebellious and gallant. Lord for how long should you allow the devil to rule over your children of Mthwakazi? Lord your children want to be free, Lord give us ways and means to achieve our freedom. Confusion and lack of determination pulls us back, Lord as we try to regroup and refocus our energies and efforts towards our redemption be our guide and shield. For when thou Art with us we shall not fear Mugabe and his cronies. Lord give us wisdom and realisation that it is best for one to be his master, ruler, and everything than to be ruled by another tribe or nation. Lord help us to be angry and even more angry so that we can not be able to tolerate oppression and subjugation. Lord our God give us victory over evil ones. Lord Jesus Christ the Conquering Lion Of the Tribe of Judah, we humble ourselves before thee, we humbly submit our plea for salvation. Lord in the revival, reinvigoration and rejuvination of Mthwakazi nation be our God, be our salvation, be our weapon and be our dedication. Lord under the prevailing circumstances it is not easy to be a Mthwakazian, we have nowhere to go, in Zim we are not wanted in South Africa we are not wanted, we are called names, Lord i should think you see how these Shona people brutalise your innocent children I can't understand Lord why you decided to let us live with these people, but i guess it is for good reasons,so that reality dawns in our minds that we need no stranger as our leader, we need no foreign governments in Mthwakazi. Lord hit them hard, those who advocate for the suffering of our people. Lord send another Moses to set your children free. Lord i am not the first person to pray like this, even King David did when he wanted to defeat the Philistines, Lord you respected his prayer, and i am confident that you will answer my prayer, in the name of Jesus we ask. AMEN
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#28968 - 07/15/04 09:24 PM
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Nkosi
Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2123
Loc: Ayowa
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#28969 - 07/16/04 01:02 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 171
Loc: Khonale ngaphesheya
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Bafowethu,
AWU! waze wathandaza wethu,umkhulu kankhulu umthandazo wakho lowu.
Lami ngizangezelela ngisithi,
Father in the name of our lord and saviour Jesus Christ'
We humble ourselves before you as people of Mthwakazi'Father we are a lost generation O,lORD'
FATHER WE SEEK OUR DESTINY O'LORD!
DEEP IN OUR HEARTS WE LONG FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN OUR MIDST, Like the children of Israel we seek Canaan,a land which is ours,a land full of milk and honey,Lord we desire our promised land where we will raise leaders from within ourselves.
Father we break the york of the Devil in power in the land of bondage ZIM,WE PARALYSE THE kingdom of the enermy in Jesus name.
Jehovah you are the consuming fire,consume those that have caused our suffering in all these years,slaughter them,avenge for us as we have been weakened by them,prepare a table before our enemies lord.Every weapon that is formed against us will not prosper and every toungue that rises in judgement you shall condemn.
Who art thou oh Mugabe before Mthawakazi you shall become a plain.We refuse to bow before you nor worship you,you have lived by the sword so you shall be done as you have done unto others.
Lastly I pray for all our relatives who are left in GIBITE(ZIM),Give them encouragement,provide for them Jehova ,cause them to be like the birds of the wild that neither worry about what they will eat or where they will sleep for you O'Lord takes care of the morrow.Be with them guard them against diseases,attacks as the devil only comes to steal,kill and destroy,By your blood they are protected,by your stripes they are healed,through the power of the Holy spirit intervene in all their situations.
Lord grant us prosperity,love, unity and the time to know you as a nation.
I thank you lord for answering my prayer.
AMEN!
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Thrower-Majikijela
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#28970 - 07/16/04 02:43 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Aliwuphendulanga umbuzo wami. Lisuke lathandaza kuphela.
God is not an Anglo Saxon name. It is a Caucasoid name. This was used by those who claim to descend from the Caucasus range of Mountains. These mountains are found in the South of the Soviet Union,(Russia). Between the Black Sea and the Caspean Sea.
These people are said to be of non-Indo-European, non-Turkic. The Anglo Saxon are Indo-European.
These people used to pray to their ancestors in these Mountains, and they used to salute their High Spirit as "GOTT". It was a Salute like we do e Njelele ukuthi "MLIMO TJOKO".
By conquest, this term was spread to the defeated nations one of the earliest having been those of Germanic Nationality. They were made to worship thi GOTT. Up to today they make reference to GOTT.
History tells us that the Anglo Saxon have Germanic ancestory. So their ancestor was modified to GOD. That is History, a fact that is written in their own Language, and taught at their own schools. When they taught us to read the bible, they did not anticipate that we would also be able to read enye njalo imfihlo yabo.
So u NKULU-NKULU can not be GOTT, ngoba u GOTT lidlozi lezinye izizwe.
When they defeated us, they wanted us to forget awethu amadlozi and worship theirs, for complete surrender.
U NKULU-NKULU ngiyamazi bafowethu. Angimtshelwa.
Now, lingiphendule ukuthi u GOD usezakufa na??? nxa ingane yakhe isizabusa???
Njalo u GOD uyehluleka na ukuzasitshela ukuthi siyizoni yedwa aze azeyise kangaka ngokuthumela ababulali lezihuquluzi zomnotho???
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28971 - 07/17/04 12:54 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Mina ngoboni bami bengicabanga ukuthi u'God' akusibizo nje njengokuthi 'James'. Bengizwisisa ukuthi u'God' ngu 'mvelinqangi, umdali wezulu lomhlaba'. Njalo bengingakwazi ukuthi u'God' lona ulenketha. Bengizwisisise ukuthi ungu 'Nkulunkulu' wawonke umuntu ophilayo kulo umhlaba, omvumayo njalo emkhethile, njalo leBhayibhili liyakuveza likufakaza ukuthi kunjalo. Thina abantu ngenxa yokuba sesingenwe yisono sokuthandabuza sesisuka sibone umehluko phakathi kuka'Cain' lo'Abel' bengabantwana bomuntu munye nje. Sesingenelwe lubandlululo olusenza sidazulule inwele okwabonwa ngabelungu. Isiqokoqela yikuthi sikhonze umdali wezulu nomhlaba regardless ukuthi simnike ibizo bani.
Nxa ufunda iBhayibhili, uthola ukuba u'God' loyo lo'Jesus' ongu'Lizwi' bamunye nje. Ngokuzwisisisa kwami okufitshane okwesoni, kuvela ukuba laba ababili akusibo abantu benyama njengami lawe. So kabafi njalo kabadinwa.Ngabe bayafa kumbe bedinwa ngabe wena lami asinteli lapha eNkundleni ngoba impilo zethu zisesandleni sakhe u'Mdali'. U'Jesu' ukuze afe waqala wagqoka umzimba womuntu wenyama. Okwafayo libumba elingumzimba wenyama. Sikesaxoxa ngalokhu esikhathini esedluleyo.
Inkinga ngamadlozi yikuba angabantu abanjengathi asebefile loba ngithi abafayo. Abangeke basincede ngoba labo badalwa njengathi. Ongasinceda nguye kanye owasidalayo. Ungizwisise ukuthi angitsho ukuba olandela amadlozi mubi kumbe kawatshiye. Ngikhomba engikubona kungcono i.e. a direct route to salvation. Umuntu ungezake umthembe okuyangaphi ngoba zingabheda usuka ecabange elakhe ibhetshu. Kodwa u'Mdali' ngeke akulahle ngoba wena uyi'treasure' kuye.
U'God' ukhuluma lathi all the time kodwa ngenxa yokuthi thina sesathanda okukholisisa umzimba sesi'tuned' to the devil's siren elama'parts' onke e'choir'(soprano to bass). Asisamuzwa lakancane nxa ekhuluma lathi u'Mdali'.
Nxa sivuka ekuseni sizwa inyoni zeganga lezekhaya zihlabelela, sivuke sizelule sizamule and after every hour uzwe iqhude liqhunsi 'ngoma. NgoNtulikazi uzwa umoya uvunguza ubone izintuli ziphakama. Nxa kuphela ubusika ubona izihlahla ziqala ukuhluma uzwe izulu liduma ubona umkhathi uguquka usiba yimibala eminengi, amafasitele ezulu avuleke line izulu ligcwalise amachibi lemifula inhlanzi, ingwenya lamaxoxo kujabule, liphume ilanga ubone umkhathi ugqiza umchilo wamakhosikazi (rainbow). Kakusizo yini lezi ezinye zezindlela asikhulumisa ngazo uThixo na? Okudanisayo lapha yikuthi the rest of nature, ngaphandle kwethu abantu esidalwe ngomfanekiso wakhe (wonderfully and fearfully), kuyamlalela uThixo and take heed of his advices.
Ungixolele sengisuka ngikutshumayeze kodwa ngithemba ngikuthintile obufisa ukukuzwisisisa.
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#28972 - 07/17/04 01:33 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Zwangandaba
okwakuqala abahuquluzi kabathunywa nguNkulunkulu eAfrica. nxa ubala ibhayibhili lesiKrestu samamissionery kutshiyene khatshana imfundiso zabo ngezamanga. nxa ufuna ukubona amabonabonane abonwa nguGcugcwa that i-ancient history lebhayibhili you will receive the shock of your life. ulungile nxa uthi balikhonzisa amadlozi abo. ofuransisi be-asisi labo valentine labo santa(satan) clause.
ukuthi uNkulunkulu azizele mangqamu thandaza ukuthi kungakufikeli usesemzimbeni wenyama ngoba uzokufa. abantwana baka-Israel bakhala bebone iyezi kuphela eSinai bathi kuMosi khuluma laye wena konke ozakutshela khona sizakwenza ngoba singambona sizakufa. uMosi wabona umhlane kuphela , incwadi ithi ubuso bakhe bakhazimula, amaIsrael ayesembaleka wayesegqoko isaka evala inkazimulo kaNKULUNKULU ebusweni bakhe.
ungaqathanisi ubukhosi bezulu lamandlwane lamanyala alomhlaba okuthi ubukhosi butshiywa ngokufa. UMzilikazi waqeda izinduna ngalokho onja labocastro bafuna ukufela khona opapa sebetshutshwa bethwelinduku. God is very democratic, Him and His Son Jesus are one,in function,the Son draws His strenght from the Father.
ubukhosi abahlalayo ngobukayise usesandleni sokhohlo sikayise. God never dies He is the life giver ngitsho lokuyisibungwana draws it's life from Him the author of life. i-unity of God and His Son Jesus ungayifanisi leyabonja lonkomo. when Jesus was on this earth performed that which was only for God i.e forgiving sins and He was wright. uPhilip owaze wahlatshelwa nguSkuza, wacela ukuthi uJesu abatshengise uYise wathi obone yena ubone uYISE obone uYise ubone yena ngoba ekuyise loyise ekuye.
khangela okwenzakala ecalvary uJesu uyakhala uthi Eli Eli Lama sabachthani ,Nkulunkulu wami , Nkulunkulu wami ungitshiyelani na? that was the first and last ever Jesus was separated from His Father. the earth was darkened at noon why? guess.
in this world sometimes the bond btwn the father is stronger than that btwn husband and wife whatmore in Heaven? ezinye izinto ezaziqakathekile ubaba ubezidiskhasa lami b4 my mother. God is not a ntandokayiphikiswa as satan would like to potray Him via his false preachers and prophets who preach lies that God seeks to destroy his adversaries in everlasting brimestone.the bible is clear that by sending Jesus as our redeemer it is His desire that any should perish but all have everlasting life.
may God help you my dear brother to shun from referring to gold seekers as from God, God's word is clear read it for your self prayerfully and meditatively and seek his righteousness.HE is faithful and just to reveal himself to you.
GOD bless you my brother in Christ.
THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH
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#28973 - 07/18/04 01:29 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Siphepheli.
Utshaya indingilizi. U "GOD" ngebhayibhili uyazitsholo yedwa ukuthi "I am the (GOD) of Israel." Ngiqondise lapho athi yena "I am the (GOD) of the Bantu, Indians, Arabs, etc" Unless that bible is written by men. Because some people purport that it was written by the inspiration of their "GOD".
Utshaya indingilizi. Uthi uJESU ukuze afe waqala wagqoka umzimba womuntu. Ubuye uthi "Inkinga yikuthi amadlozi ANGABANTU abanjengathi, asebefile." Kwehlukene ngaphi, idlozi eligqoke umuntu, loJesu ogqoke umuntu??? Mhlawumbe idlozi yikuthi ligqoke onsundu???
Uthi u "GOD" lo, loJESU bamunye. Kutsho ukuthi kalamandla lo "GOD" nxa elingwa ngu SATANE. Luke 4:1-13. He has no power over the devil, he can only ask the devil to live him alone. If he had power, we would destroy this power to wich we as mortals have no solution. Uyafana ke lathi lo GOD ngoba akenelisi ukudiliza la MANDLA kaSATANE aselinga aze alinge laye.
Uthi ukhomba okubona kungcono, "Direct route to salvation" My question is, "Salvation from what?"
There is however a sentence engikutshayela ihlombe ngayo: uthi, "Umuntu ungezake umthembe okuyangaphi ngoba zingabheda usuka ecabange elakhe ibhetshu." Bomama tshayani umpululu.
SO DID JESUS WHEN JOHN WAS IN TROUBLE, MATT. 4:12. HE WAS MADE OF FLESH, AND WHEN JOHN WAS IMPROSINED, HE RAN AWAY FROM JORDAN TO GALILEE.
He was just responding to what flesh demanded of him.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28974 - 07/18/04 02:31 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
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Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
GESTAPO. Sengikubekile historically ukuthi u "GOD" lo Nkulu-Nkulu yinto ezehlukeneyo. Just because idlozi lami ngelako NGCAMANE, does not mean that if I defeated you, you attain idlozi lami. "GOD" was a high spirit of the Caucasoids. Because of their conquest of lesser Europeans, they were made to worship that "GOD". I am not going to.
Ukuza kwesi KIRISETU e Afrika. If a Valture brings me a message which says, "Do not worry of the riches of this world" while with those riches the same valtures are getting rich right on my face, I will not trust the Valture, nor believe the message.
Ngibona angathi ama bhayibhili ethu ehlukene.
1."GOD" is not democratic. If you read the King JAMES VERSION, Gen: 33 vs 1-2. The jews up to today slaughter the palestinians because it is THEIR GOD given right to.
2."GOD and JESUS are not one. Matt. 19:3-10. Especially verse 7&8. Jesus here is arguing against the LAW which he gave Moses Generations back, unless it is not true that he was there at the begining. Alternately, this means "GOD" changes his mind depending on the HARDNESS of his people's hearts. They control his behaviour. Or is something missing here??? Because bibles are so varried.
3.Ngicela an honest answer, Nxa u GOD lo JESUS be muntu munye, why are there so many churches??? Yini la Ma CHURCH engezwanani??? Is it not the nature of Humans, ukuthi elinye lelinye idlozi kalifuni kuhanjelwa phambili ngamanye na???
Li Zwangendaba
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#28975 - 07/18/04 05:11 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Zwangendaba
a) mina uNkulunkulu engikhuluma ngaye is the God of heaven ukuthi iterm yavela ngaphi is of no value on this particular discussion, if you are talking about another case closed we are talking about different deities thanks for that enlightenment vele ukufunda akupheli. mina my God is the creator of heavens and earth from everlasting to everlasting.
b)God and Jesus are one in function and purpose revisit my other posting carefully. Jesus came to fulfill the law of Moses and the prophets not to contradict it.
c) according to my knowledge there are only two churches in the world one an apostate church where most of the bible critics derive their arguments, and the true church of God which is not so popular with circular scholars. these churches are represented by a whore sitting on a scarlet seven headed and ten horned beast(apostate church) and the other represented by apure woman covered with the sun and standing on the moon(true church) in the apocalypes. the false church has some daughters who are whores thus why these little denominations contending one against the other njengabantwana besifebe sinye.
otherwise isiKrestu is a long history which stated rite in heaven yes in heaven. otherwise the Jews are killing Palestinians under the command of their father lucifer. in Jesus there is no Jew or Gentile jews wre only light bearers to calvary now the call is whosoever willeth let him come.
pliz note i'm not quoting any scripture and we are talking about two different religons amadlozi and christianity i don't see any relationship on that one i'm out linganceda malunga.
but what i know is this no but goes to the Father except through Jesus jews rejected him long time ago as a nation now it's up to individuals. labamadlozi bayamala it's their rite in your case you know him and He is not credible, but test and see that the Lord is good.
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#28976 - 07/19/04 03:17 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
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Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
If the jews were not commanded by "GOD" to invade the land of the Palestinians, the Cannanites, the Hittetites, etc, then the book of the Exodus should cease to exist in the BIBLE, which is the CONSTITUTION of the CHRISTIANS. But if the Bible is incomplete without the book of the EXODUS, then the Christians should write their own BOOK. And if they decide to write their own book, they should never refere to JESUS as the son of GOD, because "GOD" exists in the old Bible. Or alternately, they could CREATE a new "NAME" and strive to compete the Christians in marketing that name. It will not be easy now to force people because AMEHLO se-avuleka.
I am impressed in that you say you are not quoting any scriptures!!! Phoke, from where do these two churches come???
Mina into engani iyangiphica yikuthi nxa u"GOD" elamandla, wehlulwa kuyini ukuthi akuchithize nje akubhuqebhuqe lokhu okungama CHURCH okwesibili??? Thina phela kasilawo lawo mandla njalo laye as you say, knows that we have no power. So if he waits on us to be tempted by the DEVIL, which is more powerful than us, THEN TAKES A SWIPE AT US AND PUNISHES US FOR FAILING TO DEFEAT A POWER THAT HE HIMSELF HAS FAILED TO DEFEAT FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL, Kutsho ukuthi wenza okwa manzi agelezela lapho kwehlele khona.Uyehlulwa abesezophindisela kulabo abehlulayo laye. Wena wedwa ukubona kule LOGIC na???
I need an honest answer engela kucunuka, lokufuthelana. Ngiyala ukuthi u"GOD" lo ngu NKULU-NKULU. Qha!!! Kalawo amandla.
Ungalilandela i bhayibheli, uyathola ukuthi sonke isikhathi kuyaqala konakale, abesesithi, "haa!, bengingaboni ukuthi abantu bami bazakwenzenje. Hamba ke MOSES, hamba ke ELIJA, hamba ke JESU, uyebaqondisa kanje."
THAT MEANS HE HAS NO POWER TO SEE WHAT COMMETH. HE IS NOT PRO-ACTIVE BUT RE-ACTIVE.
Yikho ngiyala mina ukuthi ungu NKULU-NKULU. Nanku lawe usuliphika njalo iBhayibhili.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28977 - 07/19/04 05:24 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Zwangendaba
when i discuss about God i have no qualms with anybody or anything angilakho ukucunuka khululeka.
well indaba yama Palestinian lamaJews i thot ubukhuluma ngokwenzakala manje God has nothing with what Ariel Sharon and Arafat are doing nxa ukhuluma ngeconquest of Cannan thus a different scenario go back to the same bible and read the book of the very exodus.
angiphiki ibhayibhili ngokungaliquote simply becoz wathi wena you don't want amaquotations abhalwa yilababahuquluzi ironical enough you do the same at will.
God is all powerful but He gave us the power of freewill you can choose what you want he cannot destroy the mother harlot and her little whores yet until people have fully understood and chose not to follow Him.in Lk9:56 the disciples ask Jesus to call down fire to destroya Samaritan village He refuse saying he came not to destroy but to save life.
as i said the character of God has been misrepresented as destroyer by this mother whore who claim all the prerogatives even to forgive sins thru her licentious priests. God came down from heaven to hand His ten commandments to mortal beings as a guide to His will, then i wonder how did He become a snaresetter for sinful beings.
satan is not powerful than you brother all our temptations are within the range of resistence only thru Christ who strenghtens us. satan cant even read your mind he only watches your actions and know the rightful bait for you. satan attack your weakest point nxa uthanda indabakanjani uzahlala ufebile kuphela ngoba isiketi singathi tshazi sewuyile. angeke akulinge ngokweba imota kungekho ezenzweni zakho. lokhu okuthiwa thandaza ngendimi ukuze usatane angezwa lihlayo lelo he cant stand between a praying soul and God.
well indaba yeterm God i think uNdabezitha did a thorough run down on that. and nxa usufuma ukuthi siquote ibhayibheli labahuquluzi then let's dance. parametres being uyalikholwa na nxa ungalikholwa kuyini ongakukholwayo beside iterm God coz that one in response just scroll up to iposting kaNdabezitha angingeke ngazi okwedlula laphaya. simoya munye ungethuki amaterms ezifebe angithukuthelanga incwadi ikubeka ngaleyondlela. my spirit is free and i'm yet to learn from you.
THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH
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#28978 - 07/21/04 12:59 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Kutsho ukuthi sesilahlene. Indaba ingasukela eqinisweni, iyaphela ilokhu iliqiniso.
U Ndabezitha uthe yena "GOD" is an Anglo-Saxon word. AKUSILO QINISA LELO. The Anglo-Saxon are Indo-European.
"GOD" is CAUCASIAN. And the Caucasian are NOT Indo-European. Their History tells us that they used to WORSHIP their "High Spirit" at Mt. Caucas and they used to yell, "GUUTTI" which was later on corrupted to "GOD".
So let us agree on that score that we were made to believe ukuthi uNkulu-Nkulu is "GOD" when actualy they named him after their ANCESTOR.
My quotation from the bible is to try and understand some of the riddles in there, because to be honest, some of them do not make sence.
1. We are told that "GOD" is the only High Spirit and all others are evil, but we read in the same book brought to us as a message of peace that he LED HIS PEOPLE into destroying other people's properties!!! Capturing their land, and driving them to poverty. If what the JEWS did during the time of MOSES was not commanded by their "GOD", then we must be reading different bibles.
2. We are told that we should resist temptation, but we are not capable to. If there is a weakness in me that makes the SATAN to be able to tempt me ( as you say that the SATAN is not stronger than me, but its my weakness), who created that weakness in me???
What is the objective? Am I also a God to be tried of my strength???
3. We are told that the "GOD" is all-powerful. But the SATAN has existed for all these generations, opposing him and tempting him. SATANA by the way is said to have been created by "GOD". Did he not have foresight that SATAN would one day turn against him. Did he not have that power to see in the future??? If he is all-powerful, iqinisa kumele ngabe kade wasibhuqabhuqa lesi si SATANE. Wehlulwa kuyini???
4. That is why I make the quotations, to show that there is something a-miss here.
5. Lapho esihlangana khona yikuthi uNkulu-Nkulu ukhona. Lapho esehlukana khona yikuthi u "GOD" ngu Nkulu-Nkulu. Lalapho ezinye izizwe eziphakanyiswa khona kuthiwe yizo ezizabonisa abantu bonke u Nkulu-Nkulu. YIKUZEYISA LOKHU.
Kuyakhanya ukuthi i Bhayibhili is not the BEST example of telling people about uNkulu-Nkulu. Ngoba abanikazi balo benza exactely lokho okulotshwe kilo, kuthi abanye bafise ukuthi ngabe likhuluma lokho okumele kwaziwe kuphela.
Ngibonga uMKHULU wami ngoba wayehlala ethi silibale iBhayibhili ukwenzela ukuthi sazi ukuthi limumetheni. Wayethi yena, "Ukuze ungaqilwa, azi ukuthi lo lalo, bacabanga njani."
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28982 - 07/22/04 04:06 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: Mosul
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into le isobala kimi engaba manengi amabizo kaNkulunkulu mina engimaziyo ngowadala izulu lomhlaba thus the difference lezithixo lamadlozi lokunye okunenginengi. God the Creator is God.
God created all beings with the power of choice even satan and God knows the end from the begining even He created man the weakest of all forms of creation and gave him choice and man is engaged on self distruction.
about Jesus and the old testament read Isa 53.
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#28983 - 07/23/04 03:25 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Issaih 53 does not mention JESUS in anyway. I did not see his name there or any resemblence of him. Maybe you meant another chapter.
As far as conviction is concerned, no amount of telling you that "GOD" is a borrowed name can convince you. But historically that is what it is.
Kufana lokuthi ngehlulwe ngu Ndlovu, ngikhonziswe idlozi lika "Ndlovu", Ngize ngicine lami sengizibona ngingu Ndlovu sibili.
Ngesintu sithi,"INTO ENHLE NGEMFUNDISO, YIKUTHI UNGAVELE UYIGINYE, NGEKE UYIHLANZE LOBA SEBEKU GABHISA." >>>Ngizazama ukutolikela esiKhiweni, "THE GOOD THING ABOUT KNOWLEDGE IS THAT ONCE ACQUIRED, IT CAN NOT BE WITHDRAWN."
Yikho, basifundisa ukubala. Befuna sibale iBhayibhili kuphela. Kodwa ngenxa yokuthi sesikwazi ukuzibalela LONA KANYE ULIMI LWABO, sesibala lalokho abakade besifihlela khona. Ngenxa yokuthi besivele sisola indlela zabo, sekusobala manje ukuthi kunengi akade bekufihla.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28985 - 07/23/04 03:59 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Baba Zwangendaba Isaiah is called the messianic prophet or gospel prophet and indeed in chapter 53 Isaiah talks about Jesus. but you are looking for the name Jesus if you have the KJV or NKJV what is the sub title for chapter 53 of Isaiah. may you comment on the following verse Isa 53:5 quote:
Buthe was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him ;and with his stripes we are healed.
christians never persecuted anyone only that diabolic system which pretends to be the custodian of the christian faith yet they cling to pagan worship and trample on God's Holy Law. Don't be fooled they are not repented they are coming this time to destroy God's saints but Michael shall stand for His, Dan 12:1.
that system is satanic that's a political system never christian only an outward and senseless veneration of the cross while the teachings of Jesus are buried beneath senseless traditions they only have the form of godliness but they deny the power thereof.
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#28986 - 07/23/04 04:13 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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sorry i din't flank my quotation but thus the one right under the blank space.
i'll suggest we start looking at the spirit of prophecy Daniel and the Revelation so that we can have a clear understanding of isiKrestu engikhuluma ngaso hatshi insumansumane lezi esizithola ezinkonzweni ngabaprophet bamanga. these days sekwafika amamirakili lawo abanye bathi bavula amehlo bona begqoke amangilazi awabo bawasa kuma-optician. if you agree baba Zwangenadaba, but it will call for an intense study of history, archaeological evidence and and above all the B66 bomber.
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#28987 - 07/23/04 09:39 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Angikaboni not even one 'philosophy' enikeza impilo enhle ukwedlula le eyisikrestu. Ayilabudlwangudlwangu, ayilamona, ayilamhawu, ayilakuloya, ayilakubulala, ayilabufebe,...Aaaah lami njengeZwangendaba ngingabalisa lize liyekunina, bandla.
Thina manje abantu (mina lawe) singangena kulesisikrestu, maye kwabanye bethu. Thina yithi esisuka sibone angathi nxa sesingamakrestu konke esikutshoyo lesikwenzayo sokungcwele njalo kuhle kuvunyelwe, kanti siyona ngamandla. Besekusithi uZwangendaba ozimele yedwa laphaya abone isikrestu sesisibi kukanti omubi yimi lawe esizithi singamakrestu.
Besekuzoba khona njalo abathatha isikrestu in a political way. Hayi-ke bandla isikrestu akusiyo politics but a way of life. Esikristwini akula ongcono kulomunye. Sonke sonile phambili kukaThixo and yena ma esibheka usibona singabantwana bakhe sonke nje.
Nxa ngifunda iBible angihlangani lakho lapho uNkulunkulu ahlomisa abantu bakhe ukuthi bayohlasela ezi/sinye izi/sizwe okungekho emthethweni. Isikhathi sonke ngihlangana laye ehlomisa abantu bakhe ukuba bazivikele ngemva kokuba sebehlaselwe okungekho emthethweni. Ngihlangana laye uThixo esebenzelana laba'marginalised', 'oppressed', 'hated' etc.
UThixo kayisuye wenkani loba impikiswano. Usinikeze inkululeko yokuzikhethela indlela esiyifunayo. He does not force!
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#28988 - 07/24/04 01:00 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu. Baba GESTAPO. I want to invite you ukuthi uvakashele i www.bbc.co.uk/religion , and take your time over some of the topics covered there. OF NOTE IS THE HISTORIC FACT THAT "CONSTATINE", THE ROMAN KING WHO SPREAD CHRISTIANITY, WAS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY ROUGHLY AROUND 4AD. Now when the Christians (ROMANS) went into England, because do not forget that the English were Roman slaves for 400 years, the indeginous people of those Islands had their own way of worshiping their High Spirit. History tells us that it took 300 years of torture and murder of the so called "PAGANS", for Christianity to establish itself in England. SO I DO NOT AGREE THAT CHRISTIANITY DID GO PEACEFULY TO ANY PART OF THE WORLD. My question which still stands un answered is: "WHY WOULD (GOD), IF HE IS THE ALMIGHTY, USE A METHOD SO UNPOPULAR WITH THE TEACHINGS TO SPREAD HIS FAME?" Esintwini silibuza maKIRISETU sithi,"UMLAYEZELO WO HELWANE UNGEZA LE JUBA NA???" How can "GOD" send his message of peace and "SALVATION" using CRIMINALS??? Wena wedwa awukuboni ukuthi it defeats the whole objective??? Unless if we want to say the whole History is lying. This History of Europe is written by the Europeans themselves. Unlike ours where our people prefere the European version of us to the version given by IZANGOMA zethu. I wish to say here that ISANGOMA akusuye muntu owelaphayo. Isangoma ngumuntu ofundiswa ukulondoloza IMBALI, lo MLANDO we SIZWE. Isangoma is simply a CUSTODIAN of History, Culture, Religin. It is the White man who made some of us to accept the distorted DEFINITION of Isangoma. Thina abosiko we still stick to the original BANTU definitions of BANTU terms. Li Zwangendaba.
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#28989 - 07/24/04 01:19 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Siphepheli. Ubuya kuhle lale indaba. Thina esintwini sikuchasisa ngokuthi bekuvele kulize konke lokhu okwesi KERISETU.
Kambe u "GOD" angakwekela usiba "CONVERTED", uthi usufanele ukuphakamisa igama lakhe athi ridicule you in front of the whole world by letting you abuse your religion???
Angazi kumbe ngizwakele???
If you are a messanger of "GOD", it is not within your power to do what you will do, but all lies in the power of your creator. If you have been converted and follow JESUS, your soul is suposed to be clean, and no more AMAQHINGA (Temptations) ka SATANA can waive you from the path of "GOD".
Yikho kuvela ngaphi ukuthi abantu bethi sebe ngama KIRISETU baqale ukuzibona, kulokuthi baqhube umsebenzi wabo??? Kutsho ukuthi lawo mandla abakhuluma ngawo lize leze nje.
Today as we speak, here in AMERIKA, we are witnessing marriages of the same sex, being done none other than the highly ordained Priests of the world's GREATEST churches. The same priests are being sued for raping children, not girl children, but boy children!!!
Where is "GOD" when his messangers are persecuting his name like that??? Thina osikweni sithi akalawo amandla ngoba elawo bekungasoke kwenzakale khona kanye ekuqaleni kwakho konke lokhu. Kumbe njalo sithi akekho loyo muntu okuthiwa ngu "GOD", he is just a figmentation in the minds of those who fear the unknown.
Ukwenzela ukuthi lathi sesabe, baqala ukusitshela ukuthi u"GOD" usenguye uNkulu-Nkulu wethu. HAA!!!
YINTO ESEGCEKENI LEYO.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28990 - 07/24/04 02:14 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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God's time is always the best and a thousand years is like one day unto Him and one day like a thousand years.
i think i told you long time ago ukuthi lababantu abazithi bangamakrestu bedlwengula abafanyana they are a synagogue of satan.
they are working tirelessly to present God as an angered tyreny who kindles hellfire to consume the wicked unless they pay money to the priests. they pledge celibacy yet living in gruesome sentuality in their so called parishes and monestrys ranging from sodomy to adultery nuns aborting like hookers.
they are exposed in the word of God and protestants are now going back to the mother whore with the anglican officiating on gay marriages and lesbianism the very sins that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for.
if you study prayerfully the spirit of prophecy i.e the book of Daniel and the Revelation you will be shocked who real is the man of sin.
there are some sincere christians out there who are worshiping the True Creator in truth and in spirit.
and being a christian is not an exemption from the devils snares and being a none christian does not exempt anyone either all have sinned and comeshort of the glory of God and thru Christ our advocate we are reconciled to our God and He is slow to anger and His tender mercies endureth forever.
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#28991 - 07/25/04 03:03 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Imnandi le INDABA. Kanti manje onguye oleqinisa ngubani??? Nanku lonke libala iBhayibhili linye qha!!! Onguye oleqinisa phakathi kwama KIRISETU ahlukeneyo kangaka ngubani???
Ake siphendule indaba kancane - Sibuyele gu GENESIS chapter 4, read together with chapter 6.
The first children to be born were CAIN and ABEL. Then Cain killed Abel. But of all we read for ourselves, it is clear that "GOD" made CAIN to kill ABEL. Chapter 4 verse 3-7. It is clear here that CAIN was a tiller of the land. What more was he expected to offer to his "GOD"??? U "GOD" lo li ndebele uqobo, ukuthanda inyama - JUST A JOKE!!!
But to be serious, wayefuna u CAIN ebe na ukuze asuthise umhawu wakhe wenyama??? Ekuqaleni kwengxoxo yethu le, wathi u"GOD" is democratic, and has no favour!!! Akuzibuze njalo.
Chapter 4 verse 16, uthi, "and Cain went out of the presence of the LORD,and dwelt in the land of NOD, on the east of EDEN." Yikho lapho athatha khona umfazi. Basebevela ngaphi laba bantu nxa u ADAM wazala u CAIN lo ABEL?
Chapter 6 verse 1 and 2, and 4.
Who are these sons of "GOD" abakhanya sebe NGENA abantwana babantu, "and produced children with them,the same became mighty men, which were of old, men of renown"???
AWUKUBONI NA UKUTHI YIKHO LAPHO OKUCHASISA KHONA UBUKHOKHO BUKA "god" KULESI SIZWE. Icacile kamhlophe imbali loMlando waso lesi isizwe ukuthi bayalazi idlozi labo.
ZAZIKHONA EZINYE IZIZWE NGASESE. LABO o ADAM BAKUNANZELELA EMVA SEKUXOTSHWE U CAIN.
Angazi ukuthi wena uyibona njani le indaba.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28993 - 07/25/04 06:06 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
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well okwakuqala ithi ngithi mina amajokes ngawethu hatshi ngebizo leNkosi kanti njalo God is not a canivor. asinanzeleleni amahlayo becoz akumelanga siliphathe ngeze igama leNkosi. ngiyabonga.
indaba yeNod lamkaCain is very simple not every son and daughter of Adam and Eve are documented in the holy scripture only those with relevence to the plan of man's salvation. for sure Adam and Eve had other many children and grandchildren and the antedeluvians(preflood peolpe) lived longer than we do the space between the murder might have been quite a number of years for others to be born and scatter.
God is very democratic if He wasn't how will sinners eat and live, rain falls for everybody vile and holy. zimbabwe is one classic example those who don't support mugabe no grain, but God feeds us all.
if one is only capable of offering what he produces then the word trade should be scraped out. that sacrifice was a symbol of the ultimate(Jesus) therefore blood was to be shed for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Cain could have traded for a lamb since it was for the purpose of God whom his brother saved Abel was going to offer one but he was defiant and rebelious like the rest of us not taking God at HIS word.
Cain's seed is causing havoc even today possing as christians yet trampling on God's Holy precepts.
faith is all what it takes to be christian becoz spiritual things are foolishness to a canal mind becoz they are spiritually descened. most scholars were silenced by the discovery of the dead sea scrolls which they can't dispute showing the old testament narrative word for word yet today there are still some people who still quote the prediscovery theories to their own destruction yet their founders discaded them longtime ago and never told them about new discoveries, not you Zwangendaba, you are a noble man, but refrain from taking the name of God in vain. some circular professors still believe they evolved from monkeys, what a shame, y Carlos Darwin renounced his fables on his deathbed but some still cling unto them.
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#28994 - 07/26/04 08:56 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
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GESTAPO
Hhayi kabi mnumzane. Uzongixolela ngoba kimina izinkweshe zisemagange.
Izwi likaJehova liyasho encwadini engcwele lithi: thanda umakhelwane wakho kangangokuba wena uzithanda. Liyasho futhi ukuthi umhlaba ungokaJehova, izilwane nemisinga kunye nabahamba kuwo. Liyagcizelela izwi ukuthi umona nenzondo yisono, nesici esizojeziswa esihogweni ngosuku lokuza kwendodana yomuntu. Liyasho izwi lithi, ngosuku lwamanqamu - zokhala izimfamona!
Tshela mina ke mnumzane: nakhu lapha uthi wena masingadlali ngezwi lenkosi ngoba uJehova mkhulu. Kodwa, ngiyabuza kuwena ngithi kungani uye wabhala kwenye indawo ukhombisa inzondo kuhlanga lwamaShona? Ubabiza abathakathi bezigodo njalo uyanxusa kubantu ukuthi mabadudule wonke amaShona ngodlame - behlomile ngemiphini yamakhuba!
Ingabe ukholo lwakhe luyayeseka lenzondo yakho? Ingabe izulu likaSomandla liyangenwa ngenzondo enjena?
Tshela mina baba.
uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.
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#28995 - 07/27/04 04:37 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Mzala, angivumi ukuthi u"GOD" ngu Nkulu-Nkulu. Lapha sikhuluma ngokwehlulwa, and having other people impose their religions on us.
Nxa u"GOD" elenketha, kuyakhanya ngoba loba bezositshela ukuthi phambi kwakhe siyafana, bephuma nje ecaweni, sebesima bodwa. Pho silingana ngaphi???
U "GOD" lidlozi nje, as I have explained in my previous contributions. LOKHU KUTSHIWO YIBO KANYE ABANIKAZI BOLIMI LAPHO KWABOLEKWA KHONA LELO GAMA ELITHI "GOD". The Caucasian languages.
Inkolo akumele yenziwe njenge "DAYIZA" okuthiwa "Head or Tail". Okuthiwa "It is either you believe or not."
ESINTWINI sithi: U NKULU-NKULU UKHONA. The GREAT SPIRIT is not to be marketed by humans of flesh, as their knowledge of him is ZERO. Ungalilandela i Bhayibhili, uyalibona ukuthi liyivoxa njani indaba yalo. Isizatho yikuthi abantu bathatha imbali yama JUDA bayenze the all Authority into the worship of the great spirit.
Kuthi lapho usubuza, abantu bengezelele into ezingekho e Bhayibhilini, sebesenzela ukuvala izigamba.
Lokho kuphenduka kube ngamanga ngoba kungela bufakazi.
You can not market the GREAT SPIRIT (UNKULU-NKULU). Should he wish to manifest himself, he does so to whomsoever he wishes and at his time of choosing.
I Bhayibhili yimbali lenkolo yama JUDA. Ezinye izizwe zathanda nje ukuba ngama xhakele. Yikho indaba yakhona zisehluleka ukuyichasisa.
Siyehluleka ukuchasisa amagama alapho ngoba kawala ngitsho lobuhlobo lolimi lwethu. Lumnandi njalo ulimi lwethu. La magama ayasehlula ukuwachasisa ngoba awalabo ubuhloba lakancane losiko lwethu.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28996 - 07/27/04 05:25 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Esintwini sikhuluma ngokuthethela. Yikho lapho ESIBONGA khona. Yikho lapho ESIKHONONA khona. Yikho lapho ESIBUZA khona, lapho ESICELA khona, lapho esiTHANDAZA khona, lapho esiSOLA khona. YIKHO NJALO LAPHO ESICHOTHOZA KHONA.
Esintwini kasimesabi uNKULU-NKULU. Sithi silobuhlobo laye. Ngizaphinda isintu esidala esithi sona: UMA SINGESABA, KUKHONA ESINGAKUGUQULA NA???"
That is our relationship with the GREAT SPIRIT, uNKULU-NKULU. A relationship built on the KNOWLEDGE that whilst we KNOW that the GREAT SPIRIT exists, we do not KNOW what He thinks or what he will do next. And that has got nothing to do with us.
YISO ISINTU leso. We joke about the Great Spirit. We joke to Him too, even if we do not KNOW how He takes those jokes.
Gestapo.
ALLOW ME TO MAKE A QUOTE OF YOUR POST:
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if one is only capable of offering what he produces then the word trade should be scraped out. that sacrifice was a symbol of the ultimate(Jesus) therefore blood was to be shed for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Cain could have traded for a lamb since it was for the purpose of God whom his brother saved Abel was going to offer one but he was defiant and rebelious like the rest of us not taking God at HIS word.
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Your first sentense tells us that "GOD" gave CAIN an economic lesson that was so cruel it cost his brothers life??? !!!
Your second sentence contradicts the first one,IF Jesus was the Altimate, then he was a Canivour, as you yuorself say BLOOD had to be spilled.
Your last sentence is difficult to follow, because in the bible I have, CAIN did not rebel against anyone. They were asked to sacrifice and he brought with his "WHITE" heart, what he was capable of. IF YOU IMPLY THAT HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT "god" EATS ONLY MEAT, THEN IT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. THIS BECOMES YOUR STORY, BECAUSE IT IS NOT SAID SO IN THE BIBLE. UYENGEZELELA LAPHA MFOWETHU.
Emva uchasisa ngabantu laba abalotsholwa ngu CAIN. The King James version, The American Standard version, are all at varience with what you are saying. Alikutsho ukuthi ADAM had daughters after ABEL. Ngizaxolisa ngithi Uyengezelela njalo.
Ngivumele: Chapter 4:1 And Adam knew his wife and she concieved and bare CAIN, and said I have GOTTEN A MAN from the Lord. Chapter 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of Sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Chapter 4:8 ........., when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
And Adam knew his wife again, and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For GOD, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Chapter 5:4 And the days of Adam (AFTER HE BEGETH SETH WERE 800 YEARS. AND HE BEGAT SONS AND DAUGHTERS) My brackets, to show the difference between what you say and what the Bible says. There were no daughters before that mentioned. Asingabhali awethu amaBhayibhili.
I stand corrected.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#28998 - 07/27/04 05:32 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Mntongenakudla
do unto others as you would like them to do unto you. my people were killed and are being killed those who do thus the same compacted and shaken together they shall reap. he who leads into captivity shall be led into captivity and he who liveth by the sword by the same he shall perish.
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#28999 - 07/27/04 05:52 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Wilila Ba-Madzi. The Historical Ethiopia streches from Arabia, (YEMENI/ SOUDI ARABIA etc) Those people were called ETHOS, which means those whose skin looks like it has been bleached by ETHA ( a chemical that darkens), It stretches to the North Eastern corner of today's Ethiopia. Do not forget that the Ethiopians used to regard themselves, and some still do up to today, as non-Afrikan. They used to call the AFRIKANS ABBYSES, which means MONKEY. The old AFRIKA used to be called ABBYSINEA, meaning land of Monkeys. In Ahmaric Language, (which I speak very well, because I lived in that country for 3 years) they call it ABESHA.
It was only in latter years when we had the colonial ETHIOPIA, that they accept to also be called ABESHAS.
The presence of an Afrikan Amerikan in the AMERICAN CONGRESS does not in any way make the Amerikan Government universal. So if an Afrikan decided to Abandon his ancestors, and adopt foreign ones, in the form of an alien Religion, that did not mean all of us should take him as a good example.
Thina imbali yethu isitshela ukuthi besisokwa ekadeni. Historians will agree with me those who write about world cultures, that the (Bantu) have been circumsizing long before Moses was known.
Sizavumelana lapha ukuthi by being asked to circumsize, labo ababengakwenzi, basebetshelwa ukuthi sebengathatha USIKO lwalabo abangcono kulabo.
Uyabona ke Khazi ukuthi yikukhonjiswa indlela zabanye lokhu.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29000 - 07/28/04 03:33 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Baba Zwangendaba mina angisazi ukuthi ngingabeka ngithini you quote exactly the text but awuqondisisi the very same text. akulakwengeza engikwenzile i took so much for granted ukuthi you understand i-layout ye narrative kagenesis. ngiyazi uyananzelela amanarrative styles which were employed on those chapters 4 and 5. kusetshenziswe ifuturism lamaflashbacks amanengi. nanzelela chapter 5 of genesis is not a chronological event of chapter 4. chapter 5 is a book of the generations of Adam not what happened after chapter 4. and verse 25 of chapter 4 is juxtaposition look at the generation of Cain before verse 25ff comes Adam will be 3000 years then thus why Adams year were placed there to clear such a generalization. thus why in 2Tim 2:15 admonishes us to study the word of God and refrain from jus reading if we really study the word prayerfully we wont have such misconceptions. go back to chapter four the offerings were voluntary and God chose Abel's not that he was wroth with Cain He said nothing to them Cain had a chance to do it wright the next time but he hardened his heart and murdered his sibbling. he was the first to initiate. all those sacrificial rites were but micro cosims of the macro cosim the types of the Antitype the shadows of the Real. look on the day of the passover the Most Holy place's curtain rent in twain and the multitude behold the Ark of the Covenant and the furniture therein becoz Jesus the Altimate the Antitype was offered on the cross and that was over. angengezi baba Zwangendaba engikhuluma ngakho ngiyakwazi. God The Creator Is God and there is no otherway to Him except thru Jesus on the similar note the Apostole Paul poses a question which heavens themselves have no answer to Heb 2:3 quote:
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at first began to be spoken by the Lord,and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
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#29001 - 07/28/04 10:28 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
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Zwangendaba
Ngwane!
Wena wekunene!
Wena waphakade!
Indlela oyibeka ngayo indaba yokholo lwethu thina sizwe esimpisholo, icacile njalo iquza umqondo wendoda.
Yebo uqinisile ukuthi ekuhlukanisweni kwezinkolo zezinhlanganhlanga nguMvelinqangi, nathi thina ndlu emnyama sanikezwa i-code number. Kwathiwa thina sizocela konke esikufunayo kuyena ngokuhlabela amadlozi, sishise imphepho, sibike kwaphansi abayibona abazothumela izikhalo zethu kuMvelinqangi.
Uqinisile njalo ma uthi igama Afrika lichaza i-half muntu, half nja. Lokhu kwaqhamuka no Augustus Caesar on his African campaign lapho eqala ukubona umuntu omnyama. Ngoba sacindezelwa abelungu, salivuma igama elithi Afrika, okungelona eliqondile. After i-continental drift, present day Africa was named Gondwanaland. That's the correct name.
Abelungu beza nokholo lwabo bazosiphoqela thina ukuthi masilahle olwethu oluncike kwabaphansi. Nebala nathi sakuvuma lokhu, ngokukhulu ukungacabangisisi. Kanti thina eyethu i-code number sayilahlelani ngoba yiyona uMvelinqangi asipha yona ekuhlukaniseni kwakhe izinkolo ngokobuhlanga, ekudaleni kwakhe abantu?
Nakanjalo mina ngiyabuza: nakhu esiKristwini kunabo St Barnabas, St Peter. Kungani ke bengekho o St Mngadi, St Mkhize no St Zuma? Kanti thina sizwe esimnyama sonani? SingabakaSathane na?
Abelungu bathi bona bamhlophe, thina simnyama. Konke okuhle bathi kumhlophe, noNkulunkulu kunye noJesu bathi umhlophe. Kodwa konke okubi bathi kumnyama, noSathane umnyama! Is this fair madoda?
Madoda, abelungu yibona abeza nenklese nenxoviyo ehlose ukusihlakaza phakathi ukuze badle umnotho wezwekazi likaGondwana. Basephuca ukuzibusa kwethu, bachitha amakhosi ethu, basenza izigqila zabo, basishaya nge-racial discrimination. Abelungu beza namaqhinga amabi okudunga izizwe, aziqhathe zivukelane zodwa. Abelungu beza no-divide and rule ukuze banqobe thina. Abelungu beza nebhayibheli, basiphoqela ukuthi silahle amasiko wethu. Inhloso yabo ngempela bekuyibushokobezi. Bangene ngendlovuyangena, bephethe ibhayibheli esandleni sokunene. Isibonelo salokhu u-Robert Moffat. Lendoda yeza ngamasu amabi obungani obungekho kokaMntungwa (uMzilikazi). Ekugcineni, abafowabo ka-Robert Moffat laba basebenzisa ubunhloli bakhe ukudla izwe lethu likaMthwakazi ngesibhamu. Kambe ukholo oluza nobubi obunjena lulungile?
Okokugcina, Zwangendaba: ngivuleke ingqondo kakhulu ngokulalela uThokozani Mandlenkosi Nene. Lendoda beyingumsakazi wodumo emsakazweni wesiZulu (Ukhozi FM). UNene uyibeka njengoba injalo indaba yezinkolo zabantu. Uyagqugquzela ethi masibuyele emasisweni thina sizwe esimnyama. Uyanxusa ethi masivale yonke lemikhokha ngokuphindela okholweni lwethu lwendabuko, lukaMvelinqangi - hhayi olwabelungu.
Madoda, akeyibekwe ogqokweni lendaba. Malivele iqiniso njengoba linjalo. Ningavumeli abelungu benicakafula ngento engekho. Abelungu baze ne-divide and rule, basiqhatha, saxabana siyizihlobo, sazondana. Abelungu bathole sakhile, sihloniphana kodwa bakuchitha konke lokhu ngobugebengu nobuqili babo.
Mzwakwethu limukani. Mazibuyele emasisweni.
uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inkwali yenkosi.
Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.
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#29002 - 07/28/04 10:48 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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quote:
Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
Bafowethu.
Mzala, angivumi ukuthi u"GOD" ngu Nkulu-Nkulu. Lapha sikhuluma ngokwehlulwa, and having other people impose their religions on us.
Why ufak'umbango la okungelandingeko yawo khona? No one is imposing their religion on you, nor is there anyone trying to conqeur you nge'religion'. Uma ekhona okwenzayo lokho, hayi-ke kubi, sokufuze athi desist from doing that. UMdali wasinika sonke i'freedom of choice' ngakho please do not go to pains to convince anyone why you cannot be a Christian. It is all a matter of i'choice'. Salvation is solely an 'individual' issue in that nginje angingeke ngi 'represente' owang'kwami kumbe abakwethu. Yilowo lalowo uyazikhethela njalo ezazimela yedwa phambi koMahluli.
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Nxa u"GOD" elenketha, kuyakhanya ngoba loba bezositshela ukuthi phambi kwakhe siyafana, bephuma nje ecaweni, sebesima bodwa. Pho silingana ngaphi???
Unkulunkulu akalanketha. Thina abantu yithi nje sodwa esizikhethayo ngenxa yama'guilty consciences' lezinhliziyo zethu ezimbi ezigcwele ukubola kukasathane. Ngizaphinda njalo ngithi uNkulunkulu nxa esibheka nje ubona sonke sifana siyizoni ezidinga ukuhlanzwa. Do I sense an inferiority complex lapha? We can go ahead excluding and segregating against each other, but eZulwini akula No 1. It is not a race ukuthi ngubani ozoqala ukufika.
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U "GOD" lidlozi nje, as I have explained in my previous contributions. LOKHU KUTSHIWO YIBO KANYE ABANIKAZI BOLIMI LAPHO KWABOLEKWA KHONA LELO GAMA ELITHI "GOD". The Caucasian languages.
Singambiza ngamagama esiwafisayo so long sikwazi ukuthi nguye uMvelinqangi, uMdali weZulu loMhlaba lakho konke okuyinyamazana lesinanakazana lomuntu okiwo. Uvele nje uphakeme
okokuthi akadingi kuphiwa ibizo yithi abantu benyama ebolayo. Ibizo alitsho lutho nxa ungamazi Yena.
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Inkolo akumele yenziwe njenge "DAYIZA" okuthiwa "Head or Tail". Okuthiwa "It is either you believe or not."
Well well well, impilo le esiyiphilayo igcwele ama'choices' kuphela. Inkolo is found amongst all those choices that make life what it is. Nanzelela ukuba ukungakhethi yikukhetha ukungakhethi.
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ESINTWINI sithi: U NKULU-NKULU UKHONA. The GREAT SPIRIT is not to be marketed by humans of flesh, as their knowledge of him is ZERO. Ungalilandela i Bhayibhili, uyalibona ukuthi liyivoxa njani indaba yalo. Isizatho yikuthi abantu bathatha imbali yama JUDA bayenze the all Authority into the worship of the great spirit.
Isintu lesi osichaza lapha siveza uncindezelo lokuncindezelwa komuntu, ngani ngoba nanku isidalwa sikaNkulunkulu esingumuntu siyavinjelwa ukuba sithi 'commiserate' nor 'commune' laye uMdali mathupha. LawamaJuda okhuluma ngawo lost their 'pole position' with God kudala ngokumphika uJesu. UmKristu owaziyo akwenzayo kagxilisi inkolo yakhe kwezesiJuda. Kodwa ubhekisa ubuso bakhe straight kuNkulunkulu live and direct.
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Kuthi lapho usubuza, abantu bengezelele into ezingekho e Bhayibhilini, sebesenzela ukuvala izigamba.
Lokho kuphenduka kube ngamanga ngoba kungela bufakazi.
Uhlupho lusekubuzeni umbuzo wena uvele uleyakho impendulo. Awusoze wafa wasuthiseka ke ungahamba leyo ndlela.
Ubufakazi obudingayo ngobunjani? Ngani ngoba uNkulunkulu uyazifakaza day in day out empilweni yakho leyami. Kulengoma ethi 'La ohlezi khona zibuze ukuthi ikusasa lakho limi njani.' Ngileqiniso nxa ungenelisa ukuwuphendula lowo mbuzo hayi-ke uyabe engasadingakali uNkulunkulu empilweni yakho.
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You can not market the GREAT SPIRIT (UNKULU-NKULU). Should he wish to manifest himself, he does so to whomsoever he wishes and at his time of choosing.
Hawu mzalwane, useyi'commodity' nje uNkulunkulu sesimdayisa nje kwi'market'? Kodwa uqinisile ngoba nguMdali lo esikhuluma ngaye lapha. Thina abantu sibancane kakhulu ukuthi singakwenelisa lokho. Nanzelela ukuba usilayele ukuba sitshumayele ilizwi loSindiso hayi uku'campaigner' ngoba akuzukuvotwa nxa ezayo. Kuyabe sekuyi'khethile khethile'.
Nanzelela njalo ukuba akazisiseleli emuntwini uThixo. He is already in man from creation. The problem is with man who through a low level of appreciation of Him and His ways cannot acknowledge His presence in them.
Sithi singathola okungamaPhd kumbe Doctorates of this or that besesifuna ukuzifaka kwi'level' kaNkulunkulu. We conviniently forget ukthi lezo'science' ngezakhe uMdali and thina we are just part of them.
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I Bhayibhili yimbali lenkolo yama JUDA. Ezinye izizwe zathanda nje ukuba ngama xhakele. Yikho indaba yakhona zisehluleka ukuyichasisa.
Ixhakela elingcono ngelaziyo ukuba ukuzeliphile kumbe lithole impilo kumele lixhakele kwesinye isihlahla. Lelo elizigqajayo sizalibona ngokubuna ngelinye lamalanga. Our life on this earth is a big example of a symbiotic existence. 'No man is an island unto himself ....'
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#29003 - 07/28/04 11:17 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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quote:
Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
[QB] Bafowethu.
Esintwini sikhuluma ngokuthethela. Yikho lapho ESIBONGA khona. Yikho lapho ESIKHONONA khona. Yikho lapho ESIBUZA khona, lapho ESICELA khona, lapho esiTHANDAZA khona, lapho esiSOLA khona. YIKHO NJALO LAPHO ESICHOTHOZA KHONA.
Esikristwini singenza konke lokhu okuqambayo ngaphezulu, ngaphandle kokusola, ukukhonona kumbe ukuchothoza. Ngani ngoba ke lapha esikristwini silaywa ukuba sizithibe (humble ourselves) phambi kukaMdali laphambi komuntu. Siyavezelwa njalo sikhunjuzwe ukuba sonke siyizoni phambi kukaNkulunkulu and have come short of His glory. Under these cicunstances indingeko yokuchothoza loba ukusola is erased from the equation.
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Esintwini kasimesabi uNKULU-NKULU. Sithi silobuhlobo laye. Ngizaphinda isintu esidala esithi sona: UMA SINGESABA, KUKHONA ESINGAKUGUQULA NA???"
Kunjalo ke lesiKrestwini. Siyamhlonipha. Most of the times okwenza sifikelwe yikumesaba lulwazi lokuba asimlaleli (guilty conscience). Khangela ngasensimini yase Eden nxa isiwile indoda.
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Ngizaphinda isintu esidala esithi sona: UMA SINGESABA, KUKHONA ESINGAKUGUQULA NA???
Osekufuneka sikuguqule lapha-ke yikuyini?
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That is our relationship with the GREAT SPIRIT, uNKULU-NKULU. A relationship built on the KNOWLEDGE that whilst we KNOW that the GREAT SPIRIT exists, we do not KNOW what He thinks or what he will do next. And that has got nothing to do with us.
Uqinisile.
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YISO ISINTU leso. We joke about the Great Spirit. We joke to Him too, even if we do not KNOW how He takes those jokes.
Lapha ke mzalwane singeqile isikhiwa ku'joke'. Ungasiza nje ungichasisele unike isibonelo (example) ngezoku'joker' loThixo.
Sengizathi ngimbandanise le'post' yakho eveza imbali yase Ethiopia lama Ethiopians ang'khona. Hayi ke ngibona angani ususuke nje wavoxanisa iHistory, Sociology lenkolo. The former two are used to expound and/or explain the principles of the latter. Inkolo is a philosophy, a way of life hatshi iHistory kumbe okunye lokhu.
I stand to be corrected.
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#29004 - 07/29/04 04:51 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Makholwa
Amen S'phepheli. i-posting yami engaphezulu ngizamile ukuveza indlela esibala ngayo ibhayibheli, those few who read it, ukuthi ayilunganga ngoba inengi jus read and not study. as a result asilizwisisi uzwa kuthiwa liyaziphikisa njalo akulamuntu olizwisisayo, akusiqiniso leli labhalelwa thina ikakhulu esingelawo amaphD lawo.
Mntongenakudla ubuzile ukuthi bangaphi or St Nxamalala labo St Mngadi? ngoba kulabo St Peter etc. lendaba yabasante ngatsho kudala ayisiso siKrestu lesi ibhayibhili kalifundisi ngokuthi abalungileyo, according to amahlo abantu, bengafa babangamasaints njengabo Francis laboMaria. ayikho into enjalo ebhayibhilini read for yourselves guys the white man made a mistake after teaching us lies about God he taught us how to read then let's do it.
the bible teaches about the saints of God and what does it say? Rev 14:12 [QUOTE] Here is the patience of the saints : here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus Then who are the saints? and are there any African saints? does one have to die to be a saint? who grants sainthood status? according to the above extract what are some of sainhood qualifications? according to the bible where are the dead? if you can use the bible to answer those questions and then go to some who maquarade as abafundisi you will be shocked.
for me it's sola scriptura
and for the name of God Moses asked longtime ago and he was told, "I AM THAT I AM."
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#29005 - 07/31/04 12:21 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
SIPHEPHELI. Allow me to quote:
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Why ufaka umbango la kungela ndingeko khona.
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Umbango ukhona.If someone calls me a HEATHEN, a PAGAN, a SINNER, and dereds my dignity without provacation, then it is cause for war. If the ARAB Slave traders had not conquered our people in North Afrika, we would not have heard of ALLAH. We would not have known of schools in which the sole subject is the study of the QUR-AN.
Umbango ukhona. If the EUROPEAN Colonizers had not defeated our people in the rest of Afrika, we would not have heard of "GOD". We would not have had "Missionary" schools, whose sole purpose in THOSE DAYS was to clean our minds of everything and flood them with SELECTED teachings from the Bible.
They conquered and imposed. The history of the CRUSADERS, stands as the silent witness to the EVIL of religious conquest.
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U Nkulu-Nkulu kala nketha.
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U Nkulu-Nkulu kalayo sibili. Kodwa u "GOD" ulayo inketha.
Lapha sibala ama bhayibhili ehlukeneyo. Exodus Chapter 21:1-10 is very clear on slavery even amongst the children of "GOD".
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Singambiza ngamagama esiwafisayo.
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Esintwini akunjalo. UNkulu-Nkulu akasoze athiwe ngu GUMEDE ngoba uTshaka wake wazibutha izizwe. Asingeke sithathe ibizo le Dlozi silethese uNkulu-Nkulu.
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Impilo le esiyiphilayo igcwele ama"Choices" kuphela.
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Ukukhonza uNkulu-Nkulu is not a choice. It is a duty. Each head of the family must fulfil that ngokuthethela amadlozi. Njalo idlozi kawulikhethi ngoba uvele uzalwa yilo. Nxa uthanda ungaliphika. Kodwa isimo sakho sizakutshenisa ukuthi ungumuntu bani, loba usukhethe ukuhlamukela okwakho.
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Isintu osichaza lapha siveza ucindezelo.........
Kodwa ubhekisa ubuso bakhe straight uNkulu-Nkulu live and direct.
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I think lapha you are at varience with your own CONSTITUTION, "The Bible". Yikho ngisithi bafowethu liyengezelela. John Chapter 14:6 is very clear. Unless I am reading the wrong bible. Nxa wena usuzihambela "DIRECT", umbeka "LIVE" ebusweni u "GOD", usufisa ukubhala elakho ibhayibhili.
These are a few examples why I say it is not easy to interprete someone else's work. Uzacina ususengezelela to try and justify one impefection from another. SOMETIMES PRIDE HOLDS US FROM ADMITTING THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ONE THING OR ANOTHER.
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Hawu mzalwana, useyi "Commodity" nje u Nkulu-Nkulu.
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Much to the dismay of the Afrikans, and frustatingly so, because it is done by our own kind, Yikho esikubonayo mfowethu. Njalo awungeke uphike ukuthi "GOG" and therefore uNkulu-Nkulu as adopted by Christians is now a Commodity. A lot of people stand at street conners with pamphlets, magazines, leaflets, and shouting annoyingly at the tops of their voices about the COMMING OF THEIR KING. Ungalamukela lelo pamphlet, sebekubizela i "$15.00 kuphela" Hawu kanti u "GOD" lo ngowokwenza imali???
Asikwazi thina esintwini ukuthi ngingahamba ngimemeza ibizo lika Nkulu-Nkulu. Hhhaa!!! Emabhasini, ezitimeleni, sengathi ngiphambene. Thina siyathethela amadlozi akwethu, lomndeni wami nje. Amadlozi akwethu yiwo azangifinyelela izikhalazo zami kuMdali-Nqangi.
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Nanzelela njalo ukuba akazisiseleli emuntwini u THIXO. He is already in man from creation.
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So why Market "GOD"??? Why kuthiwa abanye bazakutsha e "HELL". If I am in him, or he is in me, why should the "SATAN" be able to tempt me???
DO YOU REALIZE THE UNINTENTIONAL BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION??? IF HE IS THE ALL POWERFUL, WHY IS HE FAILING TO SOLVE TRIVIAL ISSUES WHICH EVEN MY SMALL BRAIN CAN SEE???
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Ixhakela elingcono ngelaziyo ukuba ukuze liphile kumbe lithole impilo kumele lixhakele kwesinye isihlahla.
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Le baba yi DEPENDENCY SYNDROME. Lokhu yikuzeyisa okubuhlungu. Lokhu yikubeka induku phansi uthi sengehlulwe.
Esintwini sithi, "NXA INDUNA YEBUTHO ISUKA EMBINI LAPHO INQOTSHWE KHONA, AYITHWALI JIMBA LOKWEHLULWA. ITHWALA IQHINGA LESU LOKUBA EMBINI ELANDELAYO, IZANQOBA NGALIPHI." Yisintu sakithi lesi.
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Our life on this earth is a big example of a symbiotic existence.
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In SYMBIOTIC existence, the interaction of the two is to the BENEFIT or ADVANTAGE of both. In Amaxhakela, it benefits only ONE.
MINA NGWANA MASEKO, WOULD RATHER BE A TREE WITH ITS OWN ROOTS. I'D RATHER I KNEW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BEAR MY OWN FRUIT. I'D RATHER I KNEW THE JOY OF SWEATING FOR MY OWN PRIDE. KULOKUXHAKELA.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29006 - 07/31/04 01:32 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Siphepheli lo Gestapo. Ngiyalibingelela njalo. Yindeyinde le indaba.
JOKE: a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter.
Esintwini sithi abaphansi yilabo abasanda kusitshiya. Yibo labo abafe besazi izimo zethu thina abaseleyo. Yibo njalo esibaziyo thina. Okuphambili le asikwazi.
Njengoba empilweni besaphila besihleka labo, asesabi ukuzitsho lezo zinto esaziyo ukuthi zazibahlekisa besaphila. Asazi lutho phela, yiso esintu, UKUTHI UMDALI-NQANGI uyakwamukela lokho loba cha, asikwazi. Kodwa siyakwenza ngoba sisazi labo abasitshiyileyo.
Allow me to quote:
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Osekufanele sikuguqule lapha-ke yikuyini
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Christianity thrives on threats and imposition of fear, trickery and constant change. From GENESIS to the REVELATIONS, you constantly are made to fear challenging authority. eg - being told not to wory about earthly things as our wealth is in the Kingdom of "GOD". Bona besidla. Ungaphikisa kuthiwa you will burn in "HELL".
Thina esintwini sithi there is no need to fear the GREAT SPIRIT. He created us of his own WILL. He shall also destroy us as he WILLS. So instead of spending my span of life in pepertual fear, I shall enjoy. HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT THE AFRIKAN BY NATURE IS THE HAPPIEST HUMAN BEING WHEN LEFT ALONE??? "Because if I feared, would I change the nature of the GREAT SPIRIT???"
UMA NGINGESABA, AKUKHO ENGINGAKUGUQULA.
Yiso isintu sakithi lesi.
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History, Sociology, LeNkolo. ........Expound the principle of the latter. (my capitals)-INKOLO IS A PHILOSOPHY.
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History: The study of past events, particularly in HUMAN affairs.
Sociology:The study of the development, structure, and functioning of HUMAN society.
INkolo: Belief in, satisfaction in, confidence in, reliance on, trust in.(THIS IS NOT A STUDY)
Philosophy: The study of the fundemental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, ESPECIALLY when considered as an ACADEMIC DISCIPLINE.
By taking iNKOLO and making it a Philosophy, siyehlukana lesintwini lapho. Yikho amanye ama KIRISETU ezibiza o Bishop, because that is an ACADEMIC achievement, and not the worship of the Great Spirit. Maybe it is the worship of "GOD". If you read your Bible it calls "GOD" in countless areas as "FATHER". Bakhona amaKIRISETU athiwa ngo FATHER. Sebengo "GOD". The Bible recounts "LORD" many times. Bakhona abanye amaKIRISETU athiwa "LORD" Sebengo "GOD". Yikho ngisithi siyehlukana, akukho esintwini ukuthi ngibize isidalwa ngebizo lika Nkulu-Nkulu, loba ngibite uNkulu-Nkulu ngebizo lesidalwa. Kwezinye indawo bamuthi yi"KING". He has a "KINGDOM". Mind you, that "KINGDOM is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament.
THINA ABOSIKO SITHI, INKOLO AKUSISO SIFUNDO, (PHILOSOPHY) CHA. INKOLO YIBUHLOBO LO MDALI-NQANGI.
Baba Gestapo. You say I should study the bible. I have studied the bible from 1969 when uMkhulu wami told us that we should not shut out any KNOWLEDGE. He said if you KNOW something, you will never stray from your path. WAYESETHELA INGANEKWANE ZESINTU, ABESESIBALELA INGANEKWANE ZAMA JUDA EZISE BHAYIBHILINI.
If I was not studying it myself, would I be asking these questions???
Gestapo: HOW DO WE TELL WHO THE TRUE CHRISTIAN IS BETWEEN YOU LALABO OBASOLAYO??? LABO PHELA BASEBENZISA UGWALO LWENU IBHAYIBHILI. AYIKUTSHO NA INCWADI YENU KA MATHEW 7:1 UKUTHI "JUDGE NOT, THAT YE BE NOT JUDGED" ??? Mhlawumbe ngiyehluleka ukutolika.
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The white man made a mistake after teaching us lies about "GOD"......... he taught us how to read then let's do it.
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I can not agree with you more. Go back now to History and find out how it "EXPOUNDS" about christianity. How the bible was re-written, and re-written, and re-written. From IGOR - King of the Greeks, to CONSTANTINE - King of the Romans, to JAMES - King of the English, now Amerika - Leader of the Christian world. Each has their own version. I must admit that whilst the general historical story in all these versions is the same, there are changes that were made and historians make quotes.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THE IGORIAN VERSION BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND FROM HISTORY THAT MANY OF THOSE COPIES WERE BURNT BY CONSTANTINE. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CONSTANTINE VERSION EITHER, I ONLY RELY ON HISTORICAL NARATION. THE POINT IS, IF SOME BOOKS WERE BURNED, WHAT IS IT THAT WAS DESTROYED AND WHY???
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29007 - 07/31/04 03:55 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Baba Zwangendaba indeed it's a pleasure to see your signature oncemore. okwakuqala angitshongo ukuthi awubali ibhayibhili, cha. ebengikutsho nje yikuthi ekubaleni kwakho uchapter 4 lo 5 kagenesisi usuke wakuhlanganisa wakwenza into eyodwa yet kuletiming laphaya which is very crutial in that particular extract. and i think if you revisited that part uyibonile into ebengiyitsho. okwesibili the bible was only tranlated into different languages, yes the language used in various version somewhat give differences which in a general sense are insignificant. e.g some version will say Jesus was three days and three nights in hell and Jonah too and some say grave in Jesus' case and fish belly for Jonah. abanye sebesithi uJesu wayesegehena but look at the Zulu/Ndebele translation kucacile engcwabeni or ethuneni hatshi esihogweni. okwesithathu i am not judging others ngisola this system efundisa abantu bakaNkulunkuiu amanga check Eze 3: 17 ff. if a brother is doing something wrong you must warn him if you love your brother. Jesus said nobody comes to the father except through Him if you say that to a Jew, Moslem, Hindi labamadlozi bazakuthi you are judging us. and those people in Babylon are God's peolpe check Rev 18:4. now people look at God with a wrong perspective becoz of their falls teachings. quote:
The idea that a good God would send send people to burning hell is utterly damnable to me-the ravings of insanity, superstition gone to seed! I don't want to have anything to do with such a God.
So declared the great American plant wizard Luther Burbank after hearing a horrendous sermon about God scortching offenders in hell. these attributes are allien about the GOD i worship check 2Peter 3:9 quote:
God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance
in this view i am not judging but stating what the bible teaches not what the priest say.
you have fine grips on history baba Zwangendaba praise the LORD! i know you are a bussy man but if you get time check what the dead sea scrolls revealed about the Old Testament books. it is sad not some brothers and sisters are blinded by this system which is the propagator and pepertrator of the new world order now they say man evolved was not created by GOD! A CHRISTIAN CHURCH?
PEOPLE GOD IS THERE.
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#29009 - 08/02/04 04:23 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Kalingiphenduli.
SIPHEPHELI. Thank you for being a warrior. Asiqwaqwazane ndoda.
Angivumelani lawe. Nxa uJESU wavena, why is the SATANA still powerful 2000 years after his death???
Angivumelani lawe. When I read the bible, I read everything. I do not add or subtract. In the process, I find CONTRADICTIONS that I need answers to. Now read EXODUS Chapter 21 completely. Ungitshele if that is advice of "PEACE". Comming from the mouth of "GOD" to Moses. Mhlawumbe elami ibhayibhili kalisilo. But I have cross-referenced in the Brooklyn Library, and there is no difference save for the Grammar and Language era (time period).
IZIGA zikaMKHULU wami zila: If you claim your Jesus defeated the SATANA, why did he lament and show regret when pain was getting to his bones on the cross???
Here is the CONTRADICTION which we ask and in its place we get rebuke. SHOULD WE NOT SEEK KNOWLEDGE??? :
1. In John Chapter 10:24-34 Jesus starts by claiming to be GOD, in verse 30 (I and my father are one). I hope I am not wrong to suppose the "father" he referes to here is "GOD".
2. He goes on further to quote from the JEWISH LAW, (Ye are Gods). Now tell me that my interpretation is wrong to say he was telling them that they are also Gods???!!!
3. Now in Mark 15:34, when he is dying and in pain, it suddenly dawns on him that he is not "GOD", nor a God: (E'-lo-i, E'-lo-i, la'-ma sa-bach'-tha-ni?) !!! {The king James version goes on to say - "which is, being interpreted, MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?"
Nansi indaba Mkhulu Ngcamane - kwasekutheni, esevuma ukuthi u"GOD" wakhe usemhlamukele??? Yena ubu"GOD" bakhe base buye ngaphi??? Lingiphendule lapha. IS THIS NOT ONE OF THE CONTRADICTIONS. FIRST HE CALLS HIMSELF A GOD, THEN HE BEGS ANOTHER GOD NOT TO FORSAKE HIM???
MAKHOSI.
I hope lying is not one of your virtues.
Tell me if it is not true that when Moses led the Israelites to the LAND OF MILK AND HONEY, he said that it was "GOD" who led them against the Palestinians, the Cannanites, the Hitatites, in their own land??? Am I lying??? So is that bible supposed to be split so that where "GOD" is reflected as a "GOD" of war should not be read by Zwangendaba because he will question???
Allow me to quote:
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Esintwini sakho LESO osithandayo kangaka
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Isintu ngesethu sonke. Mina lawe singabantwana benhlabathi Ensundu. Unanzelele ukuthi angitshongo ukuthi emnyama.
Allow me to quote:
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Khumbula "inganekwane" ka Saul awaba ngu Paul.
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Ngiyabonga baba. Uyazibona phela inganekwane zama JUDA??? Thank you very much.
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Manje so. Phinde ulizwisise.
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Uyathanda siliqale manje, mina lawe??? Line by line, sibone ukuthi ulengcazelo yalo na la ngiphiceka khona???
Mina ngibuza ukuthi licace lapho kule CONTROVERSY and CONTRADICTION, wena usukela uMkhulu wami. Anyway, I have endured that from birth since I am considered a Kefir unless I worship like them.
You will be lying if you say that the name JESUS is there in the Old Testament.
MY QUESTION IS:
1.Why lifanisela ukuthi loya waphutshwa ukuthi uzakuzasiza amaJuda "IMMANUEL", in the old Testament is JESUS in the New Testament??? Why was Jesus never referred to as Immanuel??? My study bible does not give me that answer. Please help here.
2. Why amaJuda bona besithi owabo u Emmanuel, kakabuyi, Lo Jesu is just another of the Messengers of "GOD" and he is not "GOD"??? Phoke thina amaNdebele singakuthatha ngaphi ukuphikisa abanikazi balo lolo gwalo oselwaba re-written and re-written, and re-written??? UNGANGISUKELI, I NEED AN HONEST ANSWER.
Esintwini sithi: "UMLAYEZELO WE JUBA, UNGALETHWA LU HELWANE NA???" How can the message of peace be brought by a criminal???
U "GOD" kalamandla na okuthi azibuyele yena kithi bha, njengoba lina lisithi limbona "LIVE AND DIRECT", aze athume izigebenga ukuza mtshumayeza??? Nxa engasuye ozithumayo lezo zigebengu, ngithi:
U "GOD" wehlulwa yini ukuthi acitshe lo SATANA kanye nje??? Kulokuthi athwalise abantu nzima bevikana lezilingo. Umesabani lo SATANA???
Ngike ngalicela phambili ukuthi licele amazwi enu e bhayibhili ukungiphendula le mibuzo. Lingaziphenduleli lina ngoba ngiyabona ukuthi kalingiphenduli lizondele uMkhulu wami.
ISIZADABUKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29011 - 08/02/04 06:57 PM
Re: INKOLO
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: Mosul
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Bandla
indeed Ndabezitha, Zwangendaba ask very important questions of which tackling them one at a time will be tantamount to wisdom as you jus did Ndabezitha.
on the same note ,of Jesus and God being one, sayikhuluma kudala lindaba. this oneness is not in a physical sense or form and shape, but one in function, purpose and aim.
Jesus never claimed to be God in Mat 7:21 he says not all who say Lord, Lord to me shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven but those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven. several occasions in the bible we find Jesus praying to God and when he tells Philip that he and his father are one, he in him, and him in he. this does not mean he is God but he fully represent God. He even refused to be called good for he said noone is good except the father in Heaven.
therefore i wish Siphepheli will respond and others along this line before we take other question to save time and rancor. may you, baba Zwangendaba look at this verse i don't mean any offence or trouble but to shed some light Ps 14:1
ngiyabonga
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#29012 - 08/03/04 01:52 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Asibambisaneni lonaleli iqatha lize liphele.
Yeka ngililume kuqala: Kuyini i "TRINITY???" The study bible says, "The doctrine held by MOST Christians that there are 3 DIVINE PERSONS (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) UNITED in the ONE Supreme Divine BEING.
I have not come across the TRINITY in the Old Testament. I wonder why??? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Let us go to the New Testament. To me this is the bone of contantion. Mathew 12:31-32. Jesus sometimes is refered to as the son of man. Which in itself is a CONTRADICTION, because one will be confusing the Multitudes whose inteligence might not catch up that quickly if one switches from being a "GOD", to being equal to his "Father", who obviously is reference to "GOD", and then to further being a son of man, THE MAN having been (according to JESUS) equated to "GOD", when he said "Is it not written in your LAWS that YE ARE GODS???"
Liyakubona ukuthi kuyaqamuka na bafowethu.
In Mathew 12:31-32, he has again lowered his position, and that of "GOD". Because >>> IT IS A TRINITY: THE SON, THE FATHER, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT (GHOST). The study bible empasizes that these three are united by a SUPREME DIVINE BEING. That to me means even "GOD" has some superior being above him, who unites him with his son, and the Holy Spirit.
Angazi kumbe isikhiwa singeqile lapha.
Mathew 28:19 >>> "go ye therefore, and teach all nations, babtizing them in THE NAME of the Father, AND OF the Son, AND OF the Holly Ghost." This is the King James Version. The same sentence is in the Amerikan Revised Standard Version-Study Bible. The English is modern Gramma. There is no mistaking it where the commars are placed in Jesus's quote that he was emphasizing the different people as said by the study bible. akufanele kube losalayo. Ungakhohlwa ubhabhathize ngamabizo amabili, usuphambanise usiko. Yikho begxumuza abantu khathathu. Kuthi labo abangela mifula, bakuchele kathathu ngamanzi. TRINITY - Those 3 people.
Luke 12:10. From this verse, it looks like the Holy Spirit is higher in rank even to "GOD". Because whoever blasphemeth against the holy Ghost, can not be forgiven. Nansi indaba. Jesus could call himself the son of "GOD" he was not afraid of that. Ngoba uyazitsholo yedwa ukuthi he is the Son of MAN. THEREFORE "GOD was once a man. The LAW of the JEWS says "For ye are "GODS". HAWU Bantwabaka Matshobana, Idlozi lama JUDA leli, "GOD" idlozi lama Caucasean.
Luke 12:10. Unanzelele ukuthi angeke azithi he is the son of the Holy Ghost. Ngoba uyazi laye ukuthi uyabe ese Blaspheme lapho angasoze axolelwe khona. Uyazitsholo yedwa, uyawazi umthetho wakibo owesi JUDA.
Akelibale u 2 Corinthians 13:14. This is distinct THREE People, which further complicates and contradicts the notion of Jesus being "GOD". It Contradicts the notion of "GOD" being the Supreme Being, as he is united with these other 2, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, under one Supirior than the THREE put together.
Makhosi.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29013 - 08/03/04 04:08 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: Mosul
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Zwangendaba
i think siphethe amabhayibhili ahlukeneyo lisupreme spirit which is higher than God IVELA KULIPHI YONA NGIYAQALA NQA UKUYIZWA. KUNGAPHI NJALO LAPHO uJesu azithi yena unguNkulunkulu i think siphethe different bibles. lombhabhathizo agxunyuzwa kathathu angiwazi mina ngazi umfundisi esithi ngikubhabhathiza ngegama likaBaba leleNdodana lelikaMoya Oyingcwele ebesekucwilisa ngaphansi kwamanzi hatshi akufafaze kumbe udlule ngaphansi kweflag.
where is the law which says you are all Gods?i think umbalile uPs 14:1
asiqhubekeni
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#29015 - 08/03/04 04:43 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: Mosul
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this is my version KJV on Jn 14:8ff quote:
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus said unto him, have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the father, and how sayest thou then , shew us the Father. Believest thou not I am in the Father , and the Father in me?the words that i speak unto you ,I speak not of myself, but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doweth the the works.Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me..
nxa ngibala lamavesi angiboni uJESU ezithi unguNkulunkulu kodwa uthunywe nguye wenza intando yakhe nxa eqhubeka uthi uzakubapha amandla azayawacela kuYise hatshi awakhe ngoba laye uwathatha kuYise.
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#29018 - 08/05/04 02:45 AM
Re: INKOLO
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Baba Zwangendaba
khangela u v36 kaJohn 10 becoz i said i am the son of God. Jesus was quoting Ps 82:6 which talk about God as a judge of all even gods and look at the variation between God and gods these gods are subject to judgment from God accordin to the 82nd psalm of Asaph.
Jesus will never call himselve God there is no such a need he made it clear where his power and authority came from.
the scripture presents the Great Controversy The conflict of ages and The battle of all battles between good and evil between Christ and satan and when the two elephants fight the grass sufers.
we are the battle ground everyday we have to choose between Christ and the devil. but praise be to God who gave us HIS only begotten son Jesus as a rsnsom for our sins the victory was accomplished on the tree of calvery now we have to believe in him.
thus the controvery and contention. i think sesingedlulela kwamanye amaquestions or abanye lingatsho.
more time thank you bafoza for this sweet 'n sober discussion.
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#29019 - 08/06/04 12:04 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
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Usuzangixolela ngokuphuza kwami uku'poster'. Kodwa nanku ebengikuphakele khona mfowethu wamaNgwane quote:
Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
Bafowethu.
Angivumelani lawe. When I read the bible, I read everything. I do not add or subtract. In the process, I find CONTRADICTIONS that I need answers to. Now read EXODUS Chapter 21 completely. Ungitshele if that is advice of "PEACE". Comming from the mouth of "GOD" to Moses. Mhlawumbe elami ibhayibhili kalisilo. But I have cross-referenced in the Brooklyn Library, and there is no difference save for the Grammar and Language era (time period).
Bekuvele kutheni nxa uNkulunkulu eseze enikeza la amajudgements ebantwini? Nanzelela ukuba bekungenxa yokoma kwezinhliziyo zethu thina abantu then and now. Had we accepted and followed the commandments given in the previous chapter there would have been no need for God to pass these judgements. Note very well ukubana without going against the commandments those same judgements will have no effect on you. Nanzelela njalo ukuba iPovo vele ayisuthiseki nxa uNkulunkulu exolela izoni hence these judgements are more befitting man's purposes than God's.
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IZIGA zikaMKHULU wami zila: If you claim your Jesus defeated the SATANA, why did he lament and show regret when pain was getting to his bones on the cross???
Bambanisa lokhu lombuzo 3 ku'posting' yakho (quoted below).
Wonke umuntu wenyama uyezwa i'physical pain'. Lo uJesu ohlangana laye lapha esiphambanweni uzwa lobu buhlungu and phezulu kwalokho ezwe i'spiritual pain' ngoba izono zakho lami zezimehlukanise loYise. So kakhali okwethu okwabo mama-lo.
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Here is the CONTRADICTION which we ask and in its place we get rebuke. SHOULD WE NOT SEEK KNOWLEDGE??? :
1. In John Chapter 10:24-34 Jesus starts by claiming to be GOD, in verse 30 (I and my father are one). I hope I am not wrong to suppose the "father" he referes to here is "GOD".
2. He goes on further to quote from the JEWISH LAW, (Ye are Gods). Now tell me that my interpretation is wrong to say he was telling them that they are also Gods???!!!
{3 Now in Mark 15:34, when he is dying and in pain, it suddenly dawns on him that he is not "GOD", nor a God: (E'-lo-i, E'-lo-i, la'-ma sa-bach'-tha-ni?) !!! {The king James version goes on to say - "which is, being interpreted, MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?"}
Why did stop you reading at vs34? Go on and finish the whole chapter. Why did Jesus say what He said? The point to note here is that Jesus does not say (at that time)they are gods, but He is asking them if that is not what they say about themselves in their own 'book of laws'? And if that is the case why then do they want to kill H when he is only calling Himself God's Son? Nanzelelisisa ukuthi He does not call Himself God but the Son of God.
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I hope lying is not one of your virtues.
Tell me if it is not true that when Moses led the Israelites to the LAND OF MILK AND HONEY, he said that it was "GOD" who led them against the Palestinians, the Cannanites, the Hitatites, in their own land??? Am I lying??? So is that bible supposed to be split so that where "GOD" is reflected as a "GOD" of war should not be read by Zwangendaba because he will question???
God was only giving back what had been unlawfully taken away from the Israelites. Had these other people you feel pity for not been self-centred and full of themselves to the extent of challenging God, and just handed back what they had stolen to start with, bekungasoze kube lempi.
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Mina ngibuza ukuthi licace lapho kule CONTROVERSY and CONTRADICTION, wena usukela uMkhulu wami. Anyway, I have endured that from birth since I am considered a Kefir unless I worship like them.
Uthi lawe ngokuthanda ukuzikhangelela phansi. Wenza angani nguwe wedwa obuncindezelwe yilababantu. Ngikutshele kudala ukuthi sesavena ngoKrestu. Musukuzilahlela phansi. Just be humble.
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You will be lying if you say that the name JESUS is there in the Old Testament.
MY QUESTION IS:
1.Why lifanisela ukuthi loya waphutshwa ukuthi uzakuzasiza amaJuda "IMMANUEL", in the old Testament is JESUS in the New Testament??? Why was Jesus never referred to as Immanuel??? My study bible does not give me that answer. Please help here.
2. Why amaJuda bona besithi owabo u Emmanuel, kakabuyi, Lo Jesu is just another of the Messengers of "GOD" and he is not "GOD"??? Phoke thina amaNdebele singakuthatha ngaphi ukuphikisa abanikazi balo lolo gwalo oselwaba re-written and re-written, and re-written??? UNGANGISUKELI, I NEED AN HONEST ANSWER.
Akulakufanisela lapha ndoda. Yikho xhathu kuziphumela nje okwembuzi ikufulathele. Only one Virgin gave birth to a Son = Mary to Jesus. Nxa kukhona okunye usungangiqondisa ke kikho.
AmaJuda la owaphakamisa kangaka benza esingakuthi 'fore-go their lead' kwezesiKrestu. IBible ngelamaKristu. Ukuthi bona bayi 'leading actor' akubenzi babengabanikazi. Njalo unanzelele ungadibanisi umthetho kaNkulunkulu lowamaJuda. OkaNkulunkulu yiwo isiqokoqela owamaJuda ngowo'buntu'. Bona nje singathi benza njengo'bhururu' wethu u*** ukuthi ngenxa yokuba uNkulunkulu esebabonise ukuphambanisa kwabo baphike ngo 'You are cannot fire me because I quit'.
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Esintwini sithi: "UMLAYEZELO WE JUBA, UNGALETHWA LU HELWANE NA???" How can the message of peace be brought by a criminal???
U "GOD" kalamandla na okuthi azibuyele yena kithi bha, njengoba lina lisithi limbona "LIVE AND DIRECT", aze athume izigebenga ukuza mtshumayeza??? Nxa engasuye ozithumayo lezo zigebengu, ngithi:
U "GOD" wehlulwa yini ukuthi acitshe lo SATANA kanye nje??? Kulokuthi athwalise abantu nzima bevikana lezilingo. Umesabani lo SATANA???
UNkulunkulu ayisuye wodlame. Kade ngikutshelile bo. Yini ndaba wena ungahle uvele umphohoze ngesagila u*** lemidlwane yakhe njengokuba esekuhlukuluze kangaka? Yikumesaba kumbe kukhona okunye? Tshela mina.
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Ngike ngalicela phambili ukuthi licele amazwi enu e bhayibhili ukungiphendula le mibuzo. Lingaziphenduleli lina ngoba ngiyabona ukuthi kalingiphenduli lizondele uMkhulu wami.
Ku'thread' ethi Wonke Amehlo, ufunge wabheja ukuthi iBible ngelamanga njalo singalokothi sithathe ama'quotes' from it nxa sikuphendula. Manje so. Hayi-ke ndoda yesiNgwane uyabhinqilika njengecimbi.
Uyabubula, uyangunguna, ubamba lokhu utshiye, ubuze lokhu lalokhuya, uziphikise. Kunganjani ukuthi concentrate on one precept at a time uze uyizwisisise andubana weqele kwenye. Ngizengayigad ke iMaria-bhoda.
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#29020 - 08/06/04 12:55 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
SIPHEPHELI. Sakubona baba.
Ngivumelana lawe. Asithathe indaba yinye ngayinye. Yikuthi ngiyabe ngiphendula abantu abehlukeneyo. Beselithola angani ngiyahlanganisa indaba.
DOES "GOD" KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD???
If he does, HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IN THE BEGINNING NEVER TO CREATE SATANA. Alingiphenduli kuyonale indaba. Lisuka landise inkulumo sicine sesiphumile endleleni.
LOGIC dictates that if there is a MALARIA outbreak, it is prudent to destroy the MOSQUITO,which is the CARRIER of the disease, than to spend Millions treating the Malaria and letting the Mosquito to continue spreading the disease, EVEN TO THOSE YOU WILL HAVE ADMINISTERED TREATMENT TO.
Bheka ukuthi lalabo okuthiwa "BASINDISIWE", benzani. Batshadisa indoda lendoda, begqoke zona izembatho zika "GOD", Bagada abantwana ngemuva kwemiduli "YEZINDLU ZIKA "GOD". Angithi lithi ngu SATANA???
If your "GOD" is powerful, he should not let the devil continue tempting even lina elizithi "LISINDISIWE".
THERE IS NO LOGIC IN YOUR "GOD" CREATING THE SATANA AND THEN BLAMING YOU FOR HIS DEFUNCT CREATION.
Yikho indaba yami lapho ekhona, kangibhodi. Lina lisuka selithatha indaba lizihlanganise. Asiqedelane khonapha kule ndaba ka SATANA. Ngiyabona ukuthi livika ngaye, yena laye adalwa nguye lo "GOD", ngumfowabo ka JESUS.
Where is the LOGIC.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29023 - 08/08/04 03:56 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: Mosul
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Baba Zwangendaba it will take a while to calculate precisely how lona ago the two fore fathers lived but i know Adam died when he was 930yrs old, i hope we can try by looking at the year each patriach lived. about scientific discories, this a field i can not venture into without consulting the heavyweights i think ukhusela ku-evolution vs creation i can only refer you to my source Prof Walter J Veith at www.amazingdicoveries.org
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#29025 - 08/10/04 07:06 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
Bafowethu.
Yikho ngisithi u"GOD" wenu lo akasuye uNkulu-Nkulu. Ngoba akalawo umbono. That is where the CONTROVERSY is. First one type of Commandment, then if it does not work because you created an opposition that is EQUAL to you (in the form of SATANA), you issue new Commandments.
Uyabona phela ukuthi ungu "MAJIK'EDUZE"???
Li Zwangendaba.
Okokuqala hlukanisa phakathi kwama'commandments' lama'judgements'. Umthetho lezijeziso. Okunye kubuya ngemva kokunye. Kungephulwa okunye, okunye kuyalandela.
Okwesibili nanzelela ukuthi God does not change. Nguye izolo, namhla lakusasa. He only relents. Njalo okumenza enze njalo yikuthi umuntu kalanto elungileyo lakancane(Gen 6:5-6). Nxa engalandela ukuntela komuntu engahlala ebhidlizile njalo nje. Ngiphinde njalo ngithi uNkulunkulu kayisuye wodlame.
Kumele sinanzelele ukuthi thina abantu sivele sadabuka singathembakalanga njalo lalapho esiphambanisa loba esilahleka khona asivumi. Rather we put the blame for our inadequacies on others or something (Gen 3:11-13). Awubheke manje so.
Usathane siyabe siyamqambela nxa sithi ulamandla alingene lakaNkulunkulu. Akalawo nix. Alakho nje yikusa (Isaiah 14:12) kwentethe yebusika(Gen 3:1-5). Bona ukuthi kumbhayizisa kanjani umkaAdam, nge'suss' nje kuphela. Khona akuzange kuvele kusithinte ngolimi isihlahla. Kwamane kwamphathaphatha nje nge'sweet tongue' awu genqukiyane uEva.
Engikutshoyo ya yikuthi sandisa ukuvika ngosathane
izikhathi zonke thina kuyithi othathekile imota zeHarare.
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#29026 - 08/12/04 04:29 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Baba Siphepheli. Ngiyabonga i website. I will keep an open mind baba. I have a lot of questions that I find you are not answering me. Wena uvuka ngolaka, ucine usungithi ISINTU sakho leso, AMAJUDA akho lawo. Mayuyu baba, mhlawumbe lami ngiyabe ngilahle umlomo, uxole.
Kukhona lapho ukholo lwemzini luvumelana lolwesintu khona. Kodwa lapho sehlukana khona ngizakutshela njalo ngikubuze ingcazelo yomehluko nxa ulempendulo.
Ikakhulu sehlukana lapho amaKIRISETU athi wona u"GOD" ngu Nkulu-Nkulu.
ASIQHUBEKE NGENDABA ESENKUNDLENI.
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Usathane siyabe siyamqambela nxa sithi ulamandla alingene lakankulunkulu . Akalawo nix. Alakho nje yikusa (Isaiah 14:12) kwentethe yebusika(Gen 3:1-5). Bona ukuthi kumbhayizisa kanjani umkaAdam, nge'suss' nje kuphela. Khona akuzange kuvele kusithinte ngolimi isihlahla. Kwamane kwamphathaphatha nje nge'sweet tongue' awu genqukiyane uEva.
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With that in mind, explain to me, why "GOD", knowing too well that a human being is weak according to his creating him, and knowing too well that he created a sleak SATANA, would let a SATANA "weaker than GOD" to beat EVE nge sweet talk to do what is wrong. If that wrong should lead to EVE's death, surely "GOD" should have had "foresight" that the SATANA he is creating will lead his people to death.
Kuyini okumehlulayo kusukela ngesikhathi sika EVE, kuze esikhathini sika JESUS, kuze kube lamhlanje elokhu esehluleka ukusidiliza lesi si SATANA??? Nxa kusehlula yena u "GOD", kambe lina abantu bakhe lingakwenelisa na???
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God does not change . He only relents.
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My understanding of "RELENT", is to reduce the severity of an intention. If I decided that you will die as a punishment, then I CHANGE and decide you will go to prison for life, I will have relented. That is a form of CHANGE. Any change that comes about because of MITIGATING circumstances. Things I DID NOT KNOW OF BEFOREHAND, but which now influence me to mitigate.
Yikho ngisithi u"GOD" lo akalawo umbono. Akasuye uNkulu-Nkulu.
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Thina abantu sivele sadabuka singathembakalanga.
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Kutsho ukuthi you were CREATED with a DEFECT. Now according to the bible, you were created by "GOD". That means that "GOD" is not perfect. He created a DEFECTIVE Satana. He then created a DEFECTIVE MAN. Now he is PUNISHING that man for being a DEFECT. And letting that DEFECTIVE SATANA have a field day leading more DEFECTIVE MEN into DOOM. Uhmmmm!!!
KUFANA LOMNTWANA OZONDELA I TOY NGOBA INGASELA MA BATTERIES, ACINE EYITSHAYELA PHANSI NGOBA INGENZI LOKHO AKUFUNAYO KU "REMOTE CONTROL". KANTI NXA UMNTWANA LO ESEKHULILE NJENGO MUNTU OMDALA, UZAKWAZI UKUTHI KUMELE ATHENGE AMANYE AMA BATTERIES.
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29027 - 08/12/04 05:32 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
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Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
Bafowethu.
Ikakhulu sehlukana lapho amaKIRISETU athi wona u"GOD" ngu Nkulu-Nkulu.
Libizo kuphela?
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With that in mind, explain to me, why "GOD", knowing too well that a human being is weak according to his creating him, and knowing too well that he created a sleak SATANA, would let a SATANA "weaker than GOD" to beat EVE nge sweet talk to do what is wrong. If that wrong should lead to EVE's death, surely "GOD" should have had "foresight" that the SATANA he is creating will lead his people to death.
Nanzelela ukuba usathane kamehlulanga uEve. He only sowed the seed of doubt in her. She was already on her way to falling. Okwamenza watshiya uAdam wayawayawaya yikuni? The rest Eve did on her own. Mina ngingakutshotshozela ukuba wone lawe ubususona kumele uvume elakho icala lokona lami ngivume elami elokukutshotshozela. Akumelanga ukuthi lami ngibhicwe ngobende, mina inyama ngingayidlile kelikaMnto. USathane wathola vele kuzivundele as in fertile and/or corrupt.
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Kuyini okumehlulayo kusukela ngesikhathi sika EVE, kuze esikhathini sika JESUS, kuze kube lamhlanje elokhu esehluleka ukusidiliza lesi si SATANA??? Nxa kusehlula yena u "GOD", kambe lina abantu bakhe lingakwenelisa na???
UNkulunkulu wahle wafaka i'judgement' kazange a'adjourn-e' kumbe a'remand-e'. Ke ngibuze kuwe ukuthi what would have constituted a better judgement in this case ngokubona kwakho? Kehlulekanga uNkulunkulu. Abehlulekayo nguwe lami ngoba singamagovu, silomhawu, siyizifebe, sithanda izinto njalo siyaziphakamisa ngaphezu kwakhe uThixo. Singabakwazi our stations in our relationship with God, usathane uyawaswela amandla okusi'twister twister'.
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My understanding of "RELENT", is to reduce the severity of an intention. If I decided that you will die as a punishment, then I CHANGE and decide you will go to prison for life, I will have relented. That is a form of CHANGE. Any change that comes about because of MITIGATING circumstances. Things I DID NOT KNOW OF BEFOREHAND, but which now influence me to mitigate.
Ungamthola ngaphi ke olunge kanje? Ungamthola ngaphi okunika i'second chance'? Othi lungisisa indaba yakho ndoda? Kusiya ngengikuzwa emibuzweni yakho wena ufuna ohle abhidlize. Manje akanjalo lowo owethu uNkulunkulu. Ngingazi ukuba njengoba usithi lo owami wehlukene lowakho, utsho ukuthi owakho ngowokubhidliza kungela kunika i'chance' yokulungisisa udaba? Ah, manje uyasebaka nxa enjalo.
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Yikho ngisithi u"GOD" lo akalawo umbono. Akasuye uNkulu-Nkulu.
Nxa usithi kalambono utsho ukuba nga wacabangela umuntu na? Ngoba ekumdaleni umdale ngomfanekiso (image) wakhe kuphela wasemnika i'free will' to make his own decisions and commitments. Owakho yena ulombono na nxa evumela izikliwi ezinjengabo***x zisidudula (wena lami) elizweni lomdabuko wethu?
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Kutsho ukuthi you were CREATED with a DEFECT. Now according to the bible, you were created by "GOD". That means that "GOD" is not perfect. He created a DEFECTIVE Satana. He then created a DEFECTIVE MAN. Now he is PUNISHING that man for being a DEFECT. And letting that DEFECTIVE SATANA have a field day leading more DEFECTIVE MEN into DOOM. Uhmmmm!!!
Ungagcina imithetho elitshumi kaNkulunkulu you will not be punished for anything or on behalf of anybody. The only defect in God's creation was to trust you and me to align our allegiance to him. Otherwise ir was and is all perfect. We are our own sellouts and/or enemies. Umuntu uvele akathembakalanga kokuncane pho kokukhulu? Awubheke ngikengezwa isicelo sokuthi kubunjwe um'society' wokusiza i'Team-thimu' kodwa kuphelele emoyeni nje, pho kokwakoMoya singaphinde senelise na?
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KUFANA LOMNTWANA OZONDELA I TOY NGOBA INGASELA MA BATTERIES, ACINE EYITSHAYELA PHANSI NGOBA INGENZI LOKHO AKUFUNAYO KU "REMOTE CONTROL". KANTI NXA UMNTWANA LO ESEKHULILE NJENGO MUNTU OMDALA, UZAKWAZI UKUTHI KUMELE ATHENGE AMANYE AMA BATTERIES.
Well said baba. But can you also take your own medicine, ukhule ekukholweni uzaze ukubone ukuthi uNkulunkulu lo ambamba mahlayana okumenza angakubhidlizi yikuthi uyakuthanda usakunike ithuba lokuthi ulungisise indaba yakho.
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#29028 - 08/14/04 06:44 PM
Re: INKOLO
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
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Nxa usithi kalambono utsho ukuba nga wacabangela umuntu na? Ngoba ekumdaleni umdale ngomfanekiso (image) wakhe kuphela wasemnika i'free will' to make his own decisions and commitments. Owakho yena ulombono na nxa evumela izikliwi ezinjengabo***x zisidudula (wena lami) elizweni lomdabuko wethu?
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If you give me the FREE WILL, to make my own decisions, and commitments, surely I do not see the logic of punishing me and calling me a sinner, when I have not committed any sin.
Yebo baba, ngithi nga wamcabangela umuntu ngoba evele esazi ukuthi wadala lo SATANA wamaqhinga. Ngabe wadiliza u SATANA engakadali umuntu. That makes better logic. Yikho ngisithi u "GOD" wenu lo akasuye Nkulu-Nkulu.
Mina kangila "GOD". So umbuzo wokuthi owakho yena ulombono na awula reference to me. Ngesintu thina sazi ukuthi emhlabeni sadalwa ngu NKULU-NKULU, kwabekwa uMBANGO, (COMPETITION). And as we speak today, all creatures live by that LAW. Ngingakhothamisa ikhanda angisoze ngidle.
NXA SIKUBONA SONKE UKUTHI U MGAXABE UYASIDUDULA ELIZWENI LABO KHOKHO BETHU, singalindeli u Nkulu-Nkulu. Wasipha kudala amandla lomcabango. Ungangitshaya ngenduku, mina ngiyakuhlahlela ngehloka. If you find it in you to live PEACEFULLY with me, I will have broken the TRIBAL LAWS to do HARM to you. And therefore, according to the LAWS enacted by MAN, I will stand tried and punished by MAN, not by Nkulu-Nkulu.
Ezinye izizwe are extinct today ngenxa yokukhothamisa amakhanda. Angimeyisi njalo uNKULU-NKULU. Ngiyamazi. Engingakuvumiyo yikuthi abantu bathi FUSE EARTHLY IMMAGINATIONS, INTO THE BEING OF THE GREAT SPIRIT, U NKULU -NKULU. AND END UP MAKING ENDLESS CORRECTIONS AND VERSIONS OF THEIR SCRIPTS TO TRY AND JUSTIFY THEIR RELIGION AS THE ONLY ONE ACCEPTED BY THE GREAT SPIRIT.
If I am going to be judged,(which we Afrikans do not believe in), I will wait for the almighty to do that judgement. I will not accept a religion created after a human being, made of flesh to deviate me from my original ways, into Institutionalised organs.
EVEN BEFORE WE GRASP THE MEANING OF THEIR RELIGION, THEY THEMSELVES ARE ALREADY QUESTIONING THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THEIR GOD, LET ALONE THAT OF THE GREAT SPIRIT.
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29031 - 08/24/04 02:55 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 157
Loc: Mosul
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Makholwa
ngizamile ukulandela i-link esiyiphiwe ngubaba uZwangendaba it is very scholarlly and spiritual indeed , unfortunately not scriptural. a highly speculative observation based on somebody's imagination(da vinci).
there is nothing called the holy grail in the bible, the picture of the lord's supper is total imagination the bible does not say anything about the sitting arrangement of the twelve and The LORD. moreso there is no advantage of being Jesus' blood relative look at the Books of James and Jude Jesus' brothers they don't mention a thing about it coz it counts to nothing in their salvation. only through Jesus shall man be saved.
the link attribute that the bible suggests a relationship between The LORD and Mary and no quotation supplied, speculation. anywhere the man of sin has resorted to discredit Jesus by all such things.
people today will rather follow schorlars than the WORD of GOD. man follow tradition than truth. man can not differentiate between truth and error.
oneday any atheist was walking along the river and he heard a man shouting,"Hallellujah, praise ye tha LORD!" he came to the man and said enjoy your life there is no God that story you are reading about God parting the redsea it was only six inches of water. the man of God was very perplexed and discourages. when the atheist was about to take another band he heard, "Praise beto the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob HE
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#29032 - 08/24/04 03:00 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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is THE LORD" the atheist turned back and said i told you to throw away that stupid book the man of God answered " see, He even sunk the Egyptian armies in six inches of water." the WORD OF GOD IS TRUE BELIEVE IN JESUS. nxa ufuna ukubona iqiniso follow this link no offense to my Catholic brethren http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/anti14.htmphephani ngisuke ngaqamulo umbhalo wami.
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#29033 - 08/24/04 03:09 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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to use the above link scroll to the bottom and click RESTART. and then read click NEXT to proceed to the next slide. this world is under spiritual deception by those who claim to be vicars of Christ yet they are the seat of satan.
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#29034 - 08/24/04 05:09 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
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Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
If I am born in the house of NGCAMANE, ANCESTOR to NGWANA MASEKO, are my children in the future going to be denied that lineage???
Baba GESTAPO: You did not mention that, WHEN THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS WERE SUMMONED BY THE ROMANS TO COME AND TESTIFY, (which resulted in the TESTAMENTS / TESTIMONIALS of the Bible), a few TESTIMONIALS were not accepted by the RULERS of the LAND at that time. The Disciples were PHILIP, and Mary of MAGADLENE. The RULERS were the ROMANS, who are the ones who started CHRISTIANITY (Because there was no Christianity even during the life of CHRIST).
The TESTIMONIALS of MARY were thrown away all together because the ROMANS, had no place for a WOMAN in the leadership of their church.
The TESTIMONIALS of PHILIP were thrown away outright because they were at varience with what the ROMANS wanted as a foundation of their religion.
CHRISTIANITY is a religion that was created by men, for men. Up to today there are unanswered questions because they do not remember what they managed to destroy and what they did not, in their QUEST TO DESTROY the TRUTH.
HISTORY IS LADEN WITH FACTS THAT CONSTANTINE MURDERED A LOT OF PEOPLE DURING HIS REIGN AND DESTROYED A LOT OF BOOKS. SO DID KING JAMES. WHAT IS IT THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW??? HAD THEY DECIDED TO BE THE JUDGES THEMSELVES OF THE "MASSEGE OF GOD"???
With that in mind, how can you expect me to start worshiping a human being who failed to save himself when his innitial mission was to save the world??? OR THE CONSTANTINOS TOLD ME LIES???
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29035 - 08/25/04 01:37 AM
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/18/04
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Loc: Mosul
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Bandla
hawu saze sabindana lendaba yosindiso sibabili lingaphi makholwa?
baba Zwangendaba indeed the constantinos misinformed you.
a)Emperor Constantine did not live at the same time with the desciples he became emperor around 532 AD. i don't think those guys could have lasted more than five centuries.
b)Romans did not found christianity and were, and are not christians and willnever be. the term christians was first used in Antioch, see Act 11:26.
c)the bible was not written under the directions of the Romans but the Roman faught against it rather and saught to change it rather. the desciples were not summoned to testify for the compilement of the bible, the term testament mean covenant i.e a sovereign-vassal treaty, a solemn agreement between the sovereign and the vassal.
d) actually it was Nero who killed christians who beheaded Paul and crucified Peter upside down. many christians were killed and falsely accused of causing famine, drought, dizzs and pestilences. so much so that some joined their persecutors and killed their fellow brethren and the bible was cursed, however Constantine claimed repentence and he marched across the
river with his army claiming to be baptised in 532AD and this was the begining of the amalgamation of pure christianity and Roman paganism resulting in an evil concoction called catholicism.
read ancient history closely Constantine gave the power to the bishop of Rome then called Pontiff Maximus from the Babylonian pagan worship.
Jesus' death was and is a necessary means to justify the end.
ithi ngime kancane sizoyiqhuba njalo.
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#29036 - 08/26/04 09:57 AM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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quote:
Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
Bafowethu.
If I am born in the house of NGCAMANE, ANCESTOR to NGWANA MASEKO, are my children in the future going to be denied that lineage???
No, not at all and why should they?
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Baba GESTAPO: You did not mention that, WHEN THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS WERE SUMMONED BY THE ROMANS TO COME AND TESTIFY, (which resulted in the TESTAMENTS / TESTIMONIALS of the Bible), a few TESTIMONIALS were not accepted by the RULERS of the LAND at that time. The Disciples were PHILIP, and Mary of MAGADLENE. The RULERS were the ROMANS, who are the ones who started CHRISTIANITY (Because there was no Christianity even during the life of CHRIST).
I would like to assert ukuthi the Romans were not pro-Christianity but were very ANTI. They had a similar problem with what is happening in Zimbabwe. The Gospel threatened their poltical livelihood because it preached freedom from oppressors. It preached peace-brokering which threatened to disrobe them as they could only use stranglehold tactics to remain in power.
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The TESTIMONIALS of MARY were thrown away all together because the ROMANS, had no place for a WOMAN in the leadership of their church.
Well that is the way of the oppressor. They cannot have an open mind but will resort to divisive tactics to remain in power.
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The TESTIMONIALS of PHILIP were thrown away outright because they were at varience with what the ROMANS wanted as a foundation of their religion.
Re-iteration of the fact that the Romans were anti-Christianity. Maybe you could research further to find out exactly the points of variance.
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CHRISTIANITY is a religion that was created by men, for men. Up to today there are unanswered questions because they do not remember what they managed to destroy and what they did not, in their QUEST TO DESTROY the TRUTH.
Who is this 'they' that do not remember what it is they destroyed or not? Is it the Christians or the Romans? Are you saying there was some TRUTH that was destroyed somewhere along the line? If so what was this TRUTH?
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HISTORY IS LADEN WITH FACTS THAT CONSTANTINE MURDERED A LOT OF PEOPLE DURING HIS REIGN AND DESTROYED A LOT OF BOOKS. SO DID KING JAMES. WHAT IS IT THAT THEY DID NOT WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW??? HAD THEY DECIDED TO BE THE JUDGES THEMSELVES OF THE "MASSEGE OF GOD"???
Oppressors will always have a lot to hide. Most politicians find themselves running away from themselves in their quest to remain in power. Christianity preaches the opposite of what is required by politicians to remain in power. Hence the murder of persons, destruction of institutions, and eradication of records of all that is Christian. Look closely at the developments in Zimbabwe, Rev Pius Ncube, Rev Ndlovu in Harare and the despot. Remember Rev Desmond Tutu in S. Africa and the Bothas. The Constantines were just the beginnings. The controversy goes on.
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With that in mind, how can you expect me to start worshiping a human being who failed to save himself when his innitial mission was to save the world??? OR THE CONSTANTINOS TOLD ME LIES???
Do not worship the human being but God who created the heavens and the earth. Again I would like to re-iterate that God does not need to defend himself from anyone nor does he need to drive his point home by showing physical power or ingenuity to get out of sticky situations. Christ's death on the cross was a victory for all men. Unfortunately the devil places emphasis on the loss of life while ignoring or masking the salvation of all men derived/achieved through the loss of that life.
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#29037 - 08/27/04 06:43 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu. Baba Siphepheli, kunjani??? Wena nya. Besengixoxa lo Gestapo kodwa. NANSI INDABA: Please go to the following link, http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm and read it calmly and follow the sub links. This will give a bit of History which would have taken me a full year to write on this site. Then go to the following link, http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htmTake your time bobaba labo mama. These are very long sites. Particular attention needs be given to the following Subtopics on the same page of the second link: 1. The problems of the Exodus Story. 2. The Christian ERA and the last Great Revision of Judaism. 30CE to approx 73CE. ( MY NOTE: PAUL WROTE HIS BOOKS APPROX. 50 YEARS AFTER CHRIST). 3. The Creation of the Bible As We Know It and YET ANOTHER REVISION. 320CE to 1330CE. 4. The Protestant REVISION and the ENGLISH BIBLES. 1330CE to 1611CE. 5. How Objective Are The Translations, Anyway??? 6. How Reliable is the Bible as a Source of GUIDANCE??? (MY NOTE: LISTEN TO THE QUOTE FROM WILLIAM SHAKESPEAR). 7. tHE bIBLE AND cHRISTIANITY IN tHE mODERN wORLD. 8. THE CONCLUSION. THE CONCLUSION. MAKHOSI. Li Zwangendaba.
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#29039 - 08/29/04 09:32 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Baba Zwangendaba, Ungixolele sengisuke ngaphangisa ukuphenduka enkundleni. Ngivulile ama'links' ongilayezele wona. Ngixukuzisile ugebhezi. Njengokutsho kwakho kubanzi okumunyethwe kiwo. Ngakho kunzima ukuthi ngiphendule comprehensively. So njengomuntu ongathi ulesidensi engqondweni ngizabe ngisithi ngingabalabala ngixukuzise ugebhezi, ngephule engizabe sengikuhluzile. The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ.Judging from the introductory paragraphs I am struck by a politically and intellectually biased analysis of Christianity by the author, as opposed to the spiritual. I tend to assert the Rev Gestapo's perceptions. It must be appreciated that the issue of Jesus at that time was as sensitive as the issue of our opposition party in Mgaxaland. It would therefore have been the prudent thing for any detractors/critics/writers to diligently avoid being caught in a politically in-correct position. In other words the political muscle at that time was hell-bent not to acknowledge the existence of a 'Messianic' king who had come to free the oppressed and poor. Acknowledgement would have precipitated a long overdue uprising by the oppressed and enslaved populace. Therefore a lot of effort and expense was expended in muzzling the press, humanitarian agencies and the churches. Ring a bell? In the criticisms I smell contamination or should we say propaganda propagated by the political power I shall not mention by name to avoid controversy. But for those who would care to read both the Biblical and historical accounts of Jesus and Christianity the identity of this power will explicitly or should we say implicitly reveal itself. I sensed some hacking randomly away in the criticisms whereby the phenomenon of different perceptions by different individuals is wholistically lampooned as depicting lack of authenticity. If a group of persons/individuals were to visit our Mosi-oa-Tunya and then requested to give personal narrations/perceptions of the falls, a 'careless' analysis of the different accounts will reveal more different perceptions than identical ones. It would be appreciated that one individual will be struck by the thunderous din of the falls, while another by the sheer depth of the same falls, another by the beauty of the rainbows, another by the tropical beauty of the rain-forest and so on and so forth. Would that therefore suggest that the falls is a myth? I hope not. But if the different perceptions are combined together, a bigger and more comprehensive picture will emerge. The 'different' accounts of Jesus and Christians all deal with the same issues but from individually different perceptions. The Gospels themselves corroborate this. What one does not touch surely does not suggest that it is false if depicted in another gospel. Go to a Highlanders match, would all the fans see the action in exactly the same way? No. Why? Obviously, different angles and perceptions. But the end result will be the same High-High 1 - Njube Sundowns 0. Another issue that strikes an awry note as far as I am concerned is the allusion to Christians who are anti-Jesus without being specific as to their leanings. A lot of intellectualism is used to shore up their criticisms as opposed to spiritualism which would have been the main modus operandi of the followers of Jesus. Who were these 'christians'? Could they not be the kind of critics/writers/journos of the ilk that we see today in Mgaxaland who would take advantage of adverse conditions to gain some professional mileage by going with the persistent tides as the situation demanded? It seems that most historical researches are fraught with arguments/disagreements that tend to lead both the researchers and the beneficiaries of such researches in a dog-bite-own-tail scenario. Look in our own forum-led historical accounts. No concesus. Should we therefore relegate our history to the netherlands of mythology just because there is no concesus amongst our researchers/contriburors? Each one tries to assert their own ideas and perceptions over and above those of the next fellow. Who becomes the final authority in those deliberations? But I believe combining the different opinions/ideas/perceptions we should be able to come out with a more comprehensive result. But human nature will not allow that state of affairs to exist. These same detractors/critics of Jesus and Christianity are/were also human. If you care to remember I have said it before that if only the assertion 'self' would die then there will be a consensus amongst the human beings. Ngizaphenduka njalo. Ikhanda selitshisa njengomuntu ongajwayele this kind of mental ping-pong. Ngisayoxukuzisa ugebhezi.
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#29040 - 08/30/04 06:04 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Ummmhhh!! Siphepheli, ngiyakubona ubuye leNDUKU elesiduku esinzima. UbuseZizweni impela.
Kodwa phela singakhohlwa ukuthi yonke into engani kayiqondanga, ibiza ufeya. Bayaqala abantu ukusola nxa into ingani ilomnuko, loba uzwakalela khatshana.
Yikho lapho engizama ukuthi indaba ibe khona.
Nxa into imsulwa, akudingi ukuthi abantu bayihluze. Kodwa nxa isiza lugege, bazabakhona abayamkelayo, kube khona ababanjwa ngodli, kube khona izanqondo ezithi "YICHAYE EGCEKENI SIQALE SIYIHLUZE". U NKULU-NKULU akumelanga azifihle ebantwini, indlela zakhe zibe yiNsindabaphenduli.
Otherwise uyabuya ndoda. Ngiyayizwa ingalo yakho, uyayibeka induku ekhanda.
Ngisahluzisisa impendulo yakho. Ngiyeza lemibuzo.
Ungadeli, siyabonisana. Kodwa i site le engikuphe yona, yibale sibili.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29041 - 08/30/04 08:49 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Zwangendaba,
Nxa ngisehla layo indaba yethu, ngokufiphala kwengqonjwana zami ngithola okulandelayo, baba.
Our author mentions"players" with the same or similar attributes although called by different names. I would like to venture out and say different names-different geographical origins but one muntu nje, for instance Krishna in India and Horus in Egypt. The similarities do suggest that these "players" are the same person described by different people in different places at different times. Ngibona angathi babexoxa ngomuntu munye owayebavakatshele bona basebembiza ngesakibo e.g inkomo (Ndebele), mombe(Zezuru), ngombe (Khalanga), vache (France), cow (English), bovis (Latin), kuh (German) and so on and so forth. Notwithstanding is the fact that all the peoples mentioned used different calendars, and therefore the spaghetti like controversy of the dates is bound to be the result, whereas the issue is simple and straight forward.
The differences in the attributes of his "players" could also be attributable to the different perceptions precipitated by the prevailing cicumstances of the percievers when they encountered this person with so many names. The major contributor to the existence of these differences would be that age-old human attitude "ngingcono kulawe so konke okwami kungcono kulokwakho". Uyayibona ke indaba. Awubheke khona phakathi kwethu thina nxa silanda umlando wendabuko yethu. Isipunepune umtshado we***doyi baba. You can more or less accurately identify the ethnicity of whoever will be giving the account ngoba uzothola i'embellishment of those aspects that allude to the superiority of the narrator. Sengiyakuthola futhi lokhu okuyinto emlandweni womlobi wethu.
Nanzelela baba ukuthi I am not in any way condoning this nepotistic attitude but acknowledging its existence phakathi kwabantu. Lesi yiso isifo esesibhidlize iChristianity. Christianity is blind to ethnic/race origins. Israel's God is as much Africa's God. God is universal. Engabizwa ngamagama amanengi ahlukeneyo kodwa munye kuphela qha. The Bible asserts and re-iterates this fact through and through, right throughout from Genesis to Revelations.(Join a Bible Study).
Ungakhangela ke kithi abantu uthola sesifuna ukuba ngo major shareholder endabeni zakoMlimu. Uyangithola sengibhuqukeza ngidinga ukuba labantu bami abazangilandela. Akusikho Christianity lokhu. Yibugovu. Phambi kukaNkulunkulu, mina ,wena lomfundisi, same fanana. There obviously will exist physiological, academical, mental, and spiritual differences between people kodwa kuNkulunkulu kufana lama'dots in a dot matrix picture besekusthi mina lawe in our differences we build the bigger portrait which shows the brilliance of God's creation.
What am I saying lapha? All these religions are spending time critically analysing their differences which they think are downfalls. They need to unite under Christ who would consolidate their differences into one beautiful artefact of salvation. The continued biased scrutiny of one by another is what leads to the creation of "man-gods". Our author stands guilty of this same crime.
Our author seems to neglect the gravitational rotation of his !players" around the nucleus of Christianity (Jerusalem). Most of these are from the Middle/Far east and Central Europe. There is a marked absence of players from the netherlands of Africa, Australia or the USA. What is it they are fighting over so much? Ngeyomdeni? I also note that the further you drift away from the nucleus the more bastardised or corrupted this issue of Christianity becomes.(Science?) These "players" are all a fickle replication or representation of the real thing. I sense a lot of biased analysis of one by another except by the real thing.
Nxa siphenduka eduze lapha. The Missionaries who came to Africa did not have ulterior motives. But as they say in the UK, no man liveth outside politics , the men of the cloth got inadvertetly caught in the web of politics and thereby misrepresented Christianity. Mina ngikhala ngepolitics ngithi yizo ezimbi hatshi iChristianity. Ngibona sengazathi umlobi laye uza ngepoltics kundaba yakhe le. Man is the major culprit in the corruption of Christianity and everything it entails eg freedom of the oppressed, sovereignity, independence etc (ring a bell?)
Phew! Sokutshisa okulikhanjana kwami futhi. Ngisake ngithi hemu ngithi bhode ngale ngiyoxukuzisa ugebhezi njalo.
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#29042 - 09/01/04 01:22 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Qoute from Siphepheli:
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What am I saying lapha? All these religions are spending time critically analysing their differences which they think are downfalls. They need to unite under Christ who would consolidate their differences into one beautiful artefact of salvation. The continued biased scrutiny of one by another is what leads to the creation of "man-gods". Our author stands guilty of this same crime.
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Ngibona angathi sesizavumelana lapha. Awukho umlayezelo we Juba ongeza lo Helwane. Ijuba YIKUTHULA. Uhelwane luDLAME. Umlayezelo yi CHRISTIANITY. Umuntu ovele eyisigelekeqe akaguquki ngaphandle esehlulwe yilabo ahlala ebakhahlameza. Lweza ke uHelwane lo Mlayezelo walo, lwa "MISREPRESENTER" lowo mlayezelo lwathi ngowokuthula kodwa lubambile ngokuhwitha amazene esizwe. Kuthe ngoba izizwe sezibona ukuthi ukuthithibala akula mvuzo, waguquka umlayezelo. But the damage was already done.
Do not overlook that Christianity did not stop FORCEFULL "CONVERTING" of people out of the GRACE of "GOD". It was because people fought back to establish their freedom. That freedom included the "FREEDOM TO WORSHIP THE GREAT SPIRIT WITHOUT BEING ASSESED". The christians are the ones who asses other people. Esintwini siyambuza umuntu nxa into sezimxakile sithi"KANTI OKWAKWENU KWENZIWA NJANI???" Asizange sithi la ngama DIMONI (a word which I must say is used liberaly to describe our ancestors). YET WE ARE EXPECTED TO SING PRAISES TO THE ANCESTORS OF OTHER PEOPLE, o MOSES, ELIJAH, LOT, MOHAMMED(peace be upon him), ADAM, JESUS etc!!!
Now when we see their faults and fesures, we start to ask, "IF THESE PEOPLE PURPORT TO BE CLEANER THAN THE REST OF US, WHY BEGADA ABANTWANA. WHY WOULD THEIR "GOD" ALLOW SUCH TO HAPPEN TO HIS MESSENGERS???"
Sigcine sibona ukuthi cha, akusuye NKULU-NKULU lo abakhuluma ngaye. U Nkulu-Nkulu akasoze abe le "CONFUSSION" yonke le esiyibonayo njalo siyizwa.
CHRIST is not the best person to unite the people of the world ngoba:
1. When he came to this world (if he did), he was coming for the jews. (King of the Jews). How can you choose that which does not belong to you in the first place???
2. He did not achieve what he came to do. We still have criminals as some of us know Mgaxabe is one. We still have sinners even among those called his sheep, (the BABTISED!!!).
3. He clearly described himself as the son of "GOD". which brings me to the following point.
"GOD himself declared to MOSES, unless Moses was lying, that "I AM THE GOD OF ISRAEL". Lidlozi labo. Lalo liyakhonza ku NKULU-NKULU. Ungalibala kuhle i Bible, uyazibonela xathu egcekeni ukuthi yisimo sedlozi lesi esingu "GOD".
Buye kuhlangane lokwethuselwa nge "HELL" aah, abantu bahle bathithibale. Nampo ke abantu baka "GOD" sebephikisana bodwa. Thina esazi u Nkulu-Nkulu sizabukela. Sizabakhumbuza njalo ukuthi bangahlanganisi izinto. They want to turn the IMAGE that they worship to be the Great Spirit!!!??? Babona iMBIBA, babone IBUNZI???
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29044 - 10/31/04 03:51 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
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Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Mthwakazi omhle ngiyalibingelela njalo kwezokholo. Angizukubamba umbuzo kababa uZwangendaba acine ngawo, kodwa ngizazama ukuthungela umphetho wenjobo yethu eyembali zesiKhirisitu. ORIGINS OF CHRISTIANITY AND THE QUEST FOR THE HISTORICAL JESUS CHRIST Our esteemed author freely admits the depth of his knowledge and participation in astronomical mythology. Could this have a bearing to the harshly critical views he has of christianity and its undisputed origins? In his denigration of the christian fraternity he juxtaposes the roles of the christians and the Anti-Christ's human representative. What he describes as Christians is obviously the political regime in power at the time. I would like to re-iterate my assertion that had the real Christian movement been allowed to come into full blossom (to be read: rear its head) at that time, that political regime would have been routed and sent packing by the oppressed populace. Coming closer to home, right in our own backyard, we have the devil incarnate himself in the form of the most revered MIP (Minister of [mis]Information and Prapaganda) waging a brutal and concerted affront to muzzle and institutionalise the churches and press media. What our mad rocket scientist is doing is not novel nor does it stop at Goebbels doorstep but goes further back to the beginning of time, ie at Creation itself. These kinds of concerted efforts to counterfeit the real thing, by oppressive regimes, have been known and seen, in quashing those things/institutions that expose them for the frauds that they are. Coming back to our author, his efforts to discredit God, Christ and Christians are not novel too. It has been done since creation and is still being done, of relevance we have the spouters of rhetoric propagandist garbage in our midst in our own backyard. This just confirms man's Judas-like tendencies, ie. going any length for a few pieces of silver. They all do it to keep the paycheck coming. Our writer is not different, he has to make a living too. - The theory of the "sun god", proves that our man has been so dazzled by God's brilliant creation that in his mesmerised state of mind he worships or preaches the worship of the creature instead of the Creator. He is ignoring the One who is keeping his "sun" in locked orbit with the rest of the universe. This is clear evidence that our appreciation of God and his creation is just a drop in the vast ocean of God's grand plan.
I stand corrected that man has not yet fully grasped the nature of the zodiac and what keeps it together. This being the case I would not blame those who believe that the 12 disciples were/are the signs of the zodiac nor that the "sun" is God. Man has always come up with such comical interpretations of things beyond his scope of appreciation. - The blatant criticism and ignorance of the Bible by our author just goes to show the works of the oppresser. I have yet to find the tract in the Bible that sets Christ's birthday as 25 December nor His death as being around 11 April. The two "christian" celebrations connected to these dates, Christmas and Easter are not celebrated ceremonially or otherwise in the whole of the Bible. The pagan political regime in power at the advent of the Christian movement actually foisted these pagan-style celebrations on the populace.
The author also connects Christians with only the New Testament. Needless to say he is ignoring the role of the Old Testament in the architecture of the New. His "christians" choose which books in the Bible to use while Christ himself did not add nor remove a single jot nor tittle from God's Law and his Word (Bible), but came to confirm it all. It should not escape a shrewd researcher that the New Testament presenting Christ's message does not in anyway blot out nor replace the Old, but that the two should be used in complement of each other. - Unless I read between lines, the Bible records one birth, one death and one resurrection of Christ. Our author refers to two resurrections, namely Xmas and Easter (not in that order) and this is supposed to have an annual recurrence? Strange? This asserts my view that the author was just being critical of the Bible, Christians and their way of life at face value and for ecumenical/fiscal reward. His critique exudes a gross ignorance of the Bible and the Christian way of life. Our writer "sees the cake but misses the fraction theorem". (Ask me about this one later).
- In his repertoire about the book of Revelations, he further exposes his critical aspersions and bents against the Bible and the Christian way of life. Revelations means exactly that, R-E-V-E-L-A-T-I-O-N-S (exposure/explanation) of the hidden/masked.The book of Revelations is a study on its own that can take a full school term to cover. Ask me later for the relevant links if interested.
- When he links the Christians to the Jews, we are further enlightened of his unwarranted and uninformed critical views. The Jews having succumbed to their baseness of nature killed Christ and were not strong and man enough to admit their mistaken/misguided zealotry in doing the tacit bidding of their oppressive masters (the ruling junta). The jews were so rigid in their ceremonial celebration of God's law that they had laid the moral aspect of the same law aside. They therefore could not accept Christ's object lessons in rebuking and correcting their wanton and wayward ways. The Jews also were of the false impression that this Christ was to be their "king" who could then be used as a vehicle to rid them of the shackles of their oppressers. As soon as it dawned on them that that was not Christ's primary goal, bampandukela to put it in our colloquial way. It should be noted that the Jews did not introduce the Sunday worship but the powers that be (ruling junta). This is where the Protestants came in ( this would constitute a study on its own).
- His observations on the "supposed morality and ideology" of Christians is unfairly lumped on the whole Christian fraternity. No denying it, some of us Christian leave a lot to be desired in our characters and conduct. But to say it is ideological is grossly misappropriate.
The "grottos, caves and shrines" he refers to are not part of all Christians' practices. They are practiced by some and primarily still by the descendants of the political regime in power at the time of the advent of Christianity, in their institutionalised version of the church. The same could be said of christians being "impostors, conjurers and pretenders to supernatural communications". There is an institutional church that practises all the above, need we say who they are? The same political junta that has always been at the helm of the destroyer of Christianity. - Our critical writer shows a very political bent in his critique. Needless to say, the world is at the mercy of politics and the politicians. Politics is very devisive otherwise it would not be politics. Politics runs on ideology, which is highly dependant on the practitioner (would mispractitioner be more appropriate?) behind it. In politics the need to survive a takeover is paramount, leading to unorthodox measures being taken for any politician to remain top dog.
Ukuphetha, umuntu vele mdabu wakhe udalelwe ukukhonza. Kuba ke lomehluko ekhethweni lwalokho okumele sikukhonze. Lokhu kwahluka, ngilusizi ngoba yikho osokwabangela izimpi ezinengi lokuchitheka kwegazi lemiphefumulo. Yikho okwabangela ukuthunjwa lokuncindezelwa kwemihlobo kunye lembhubhisamhlobo (genocide). This is the grand result of politics.
On the other hand, the Bible does not preach division nor perpetration of divisive acts on those of differing inclinations. The Bible preaches love for one another regardless of the miniscule albeit myriad personal differences existing amongst humanity. It also brings joy and hope into the lives of the oppressed and disenfranchised, who constitute more than two-thirds of the world's population. The same Bible preaches forgiveness, generosity, compassion, tolerance, empowerment, release from man-imposed shackles of imprisonment (freedom), equality, belonging, high self-esteem and a whole lot other good things.
What has greedy man done? Used the same Bible to manifest his dirty oppressive inclinations on hapless fellow humans. The Bible does not preach strife but clearly outlines the results thereof. Do not be misled by the colourful descriptions of the exploits of God's armies in the Bible. Those exploits are not the essence of the picture/story. The essence being the resultant strife which could have been averted had man not chosen to lay aside God's basic principle of conduct.
Assuming a political stance, I would like to say "Abahuquluzi" yibo ababangela ukugconwa kwesiKhirisitu, amaKhirisitu leBhayibhili. Basebenzisa lolu ugwalo ukufihla izenzo lemikhuba yabo emibi. Kungakho, yiloba kuzinganekwane kumbe kuliqiniso, okumunyethwe yilo kuhle kuwonke lowonkana. Isiloyiso sami yikuthi nga sonke siyalibala njalo silamukele njengesiqondiso sempilo zethu.
Alikeni lizwe lokhu:-
- The Bible is not primarily a book of history, but its stories of God's dealings with individuals and nations are as pertinent to the modern world as they have been to the age since they were written.
- The Bible is not primarily a book of science, but it is not at variance with any proven scientific fact. (I rather revel in the use of the word "proven" because it suggests that science was there before the experiments to prove it were ever thought of.) The One holding the universe together is the same one driving the atom around?
- The Bible is not primarily a book of philosophy, nor does it argue for the existence of God.
Ngiyabonga.
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#29045 - 11/04/04 05:24 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
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Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Baba Siphepheli. Ku nkulumo zethu zonke esizenze phambi kwalokhu okutshoyo manje ziyaqondisa ukuthi uma into isicubungulwa kungathi ayila bufakazi, iyaphela ubuqinisa bayo.
Abanikazi balo lolu lwazi le BHAYIBHILI, abeza lalo kithi, basenza abantu abangamaziyo uNkulu-Nkulu, yibo njalo asebephikisana ngaye njalo owabo u GOD. Yikho lapho indaba yami engibona angani kayizwakali khona.
THROUGH GENERATIONS OF SIN AND DESSENT, THEY LOST CONTACT WITH THE CREATOR. THROUGH FALSE WISDOM, THEY LOST CONTACT WITH THEIR ANCESTORAL SPIRITS. THEN THROUGH SUFFERING, THEY SOUGHT AND FOUND THEIR ANCESTORS WHO WERE THE WAY TO THEIR CREATOR. THROUGH DECEIPT, THEY WENT BACK TO THEIR EVIL WAYS AND STARTED BURNING EVERYONE ELSE WHO DID NOT AGREE OR UNDERSTAND THEIR NEWLY FOUND SALVATION. IN THAT WAY, THEY AGAIN DISTANCED THEMSELVES FROM THEIR ANCESTORS, AND THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR. THEY THOUGHT ALL ALONG THEY ARE TEACHING US ABOUT THE GREAT SPIRIT WHEN WE KNEW HIM WELL ALL THE TIME. THEY WHIPPED US TO CAST AWAY OUR BELIEF IN THE GREAT SPIRIT AND TO FOLLOW THEIR UN PIONEERED WAY TO THE GREAT SPIRIT. BEFORE WE HAD EVEN GRASPED WHAT IT IS THAT THEY ARE TELLING US ABOUT THEIR GOD, IN THEIR BACK YARDS THEY WERE ALREADY DOUBTING THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THEIR GOD, LET ALONE THE GREAT SPIRIT.
Yikho ngisala ukuthi asingeke sayihlabela ingoma esingayaziyo. Nxa abanikazi bayo sebesithi siyayikiliza, sizacina sesidinga zonke izaba lamaci okuzama ukuchasisa into enzima.
Ungivumele baba ngiyibale njalo indaba yakho le ngoba ngibona angathi imumethe ifuna ukuphendulwa ngengaba zayo.
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29046 - 11/23/04 01:01 PM
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 04/10/04
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Loc: SA
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ah bantu asingayengani uNkulunkulu ukhona mina kunengi asengenzele khona empilweni yami so angeke ngimcale ngoba uyingcwele yena ngokwakhe, uyatsho ezwini lakheukuthi sithandane kodwa isitha usathane uyasixabanisa yikho kikho konke esikwenzayo sitshiyana ngoba uyasebenzisa abantu abaweak abangaziyo uJehova nxa seke wakwenzela enye into uzabamazi but nxa ungahlala ulokuthandabuza uzahlala uhlupheka nganxa yokungakholwa lokungamethembi uJehova bakhona. ungamnika impilo yakho kawesabi lutho laye futhi kakufaki esilingweni sokuthi uyaze uzibulale but uyakunqobela kikho konke yena akuthabelayo yikuthi lingakhonze yena yedwa.
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#29049 - 11/26/04 03:46 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Baba Siphepheli. Ngifuna indaba le siyiqale kulo mcijo owubeke lapha:
QUOTE >>> _________________________________________________________________________
Nanzelela baba ukuthi I am not in any way condoning this nepotistic attitude but acknowledging its existence phakathi kwabantu. Lesi yiso isifo esesibhidlize iChristianity. Christianity is blind to ethnic/race origins. Israel's God is as much Africa's God. God is universal. Engabizwa ngamagama amanengi ahlukeneyo kodwa munye kuphela qha. The Bible asserts and re-iterates this fact through and through, right throughout from Genesis to Revelations.(Join a Bible Study).
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Lokhu kungibuyisela engxoxweni yethu emva le. Ngathi mina, singalandela iBhayibhili sizacina silahleka. Exodus 15:3 - "The Lord is a MAN of WAR". Litshonjalo iBhayibhili. If this "LORD" they are talking about lapha enguye njalo u "GOD", uyakubona ke ukuthi he is a MAN, yikho nxa ebazala laba bantwabakhe, ulidlozi labo, akayisuye uNkulu-Nkulu, njalo akasoze akwazi wena ungayisiyo nzalo yakhe. NXA IBHIDLIKA I CHRISTIANITY, IZABHIDLIKA NGOBA YINDLU EYAKHIWE KUNGELA FOUNDATION.
Ubuye uthi "Christianity is blind to ethnic/race origins??? Correct me if I am using the wrong bible: Exodus 9:1-4. > Says (The Lord God of the HEBREWS) Let my people go, THAT THEY MAY SERVE ME. Nowhere do we here Moses asking the Egyptians to serve his "GOD". Exodus 10:16-17, Pharaoh testifies to that, "I have sinned against the lord your god, AND AGAINST YOU." This and many countless verses testify that the BIBLE is a very good source of information about the JEWS (HEBREWS, ISRAELIS) and their relationship to idlozi labo. Yikho kule ethnicity lapha, ngoba sonke silamadlozi. Kodwa amadlozi ethu, kanye lo "GOD" idlozi lama JUDA, liyamazi uNkulu-Nkulu, njalo liyamkhonza.
Ngizacaca lapha ngithi esintwini akukho ukuthi ngithathe uNkulu-Nkulu ngimuphe amabizo angasetshenziswa ngabantu. I agree that different races will refere to the "GREAT SPIRIT uNkulu-Nkulu by different names, due to language differences. Kodwa ungathi LORD, e England, bakhona abantu abathiwa LORD (The House of Lords).Kuyazila lokhu esintwini. Ungathi uNkulu-Nkulu ngu KING, zona izizwe zabantu zilawo lawo maKING (IZINKOSI)??? Sesizilinganisa loNkulu-Nkulu na lezi zinkosi??? Awu Makhosi, kuyazila bantu esintwini lokhu. Ungathi ku Nkulu-Nkulu BABA, akukho njalo esintwini. Sesalandela nje izinto zokuza. Sesisona ngegama lempucuko.
Ngacaca njalo emva le ngathi u "GOD" was a Salutation by the Caucasian people when summonig their ANCESTOR SPIRITS in Mout Caucus during prayer. Because they conquered other races in Europe, they spred that NAME. Thina lathi sesi thatha ibizo ledlozi sithi ngu Nkulu-Nkulu. Kuyazila. Into kumele ziqondiswe masinya abantu bengakafiki esigabeni sokuthi, "Akula ndaba ukuthi ubizwa athiweni, ngu Nkulu-Nkulu kuphela". Kuyazila. Asibatsheleni ukuthi uNkulu-Nkulu siyamazi. Kodwa asisoze sikhonze amadlozi abo egameni lika MveliNqangi.
BANTU, UNKULU-NKULU UYAZIWA ESINTWINI. NJALO LABA ABASILETHELE EZABO INDLELA BAKHONZA NJE AMADLOZI AKIBO, NGOBA YIWO ONGAWATHI NKOSI KUMBE BABA. AKULA NKOLO OKUTHIWA IYAGUQUKA, USIKO LUNGAGUQUKA BANTU, KODWA INKOLO AKUQALWA. YIKHO NXA BEGUQULA IZINTO UBEZWA BETHI THINA SI "BACKWARD", BETSHADISA INDODA ENDODENI, UMFAZI EMFAZINI.
Makhosi.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29050 - 11/26/04 06:29 PM
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Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 741
Loc: Khonaph'ya Enkangala
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Ngiyakwamukela njalo baba Zwangendaba, quote:
Originally posted by Zwangendaba:
Bafowethu.
Lokhu kungibuyisela engxoxweni yethu emva le. Ngathi mina, singalandela iBhayibhili sizacina silahleka. Exodus 15:3 - "The Lord is a MAN of WAR". Litshonjalo iBhayibhili. If this "LORD" they are talking about lapha enguye njalo u "GOD", uyakubona ke ukuthi he is a MAN, yikho nxa ebazala laba bantwabakhe, ulidlozi labo, akayisuye uNkulu-Nkulu, njalo akasoze akwazi wena ungayisiyo nzalo yakhe. NXA IBHIDLIKA I CHRISTIANITY, IZABHIDLIKA NGOBA YINDLU EYAKHIWE KUNGELA FOUNDATION.
Bengibona angathi lapha isiqokoqela kumbe indikimba yalalivesi ibingekho ukuqiniseni ubuntu (being a man?) bukaNkulunkulu kodwa ekuchasiseni ukuthi uNkulunkulu ulobukhwele labantu bakhe nxa belahleka bengasamlaleli yena enguMdali wabo, obalwelayo ebakhulula amaketane alabo ababathumbayo kumbe ababancindezelayo
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Ubuye uthi "Christianity is blind to ethnic/race origins??? Correct me if I am using the wrong bible: Exodus 9:1-4. > Says (The Lord God of the HEBREWS) Let my people go, THAT THEY MAY SERVE ME. Nowhere do we here Moses asking the Egyptians to serve his "GOD". Exodus 10:16-17, Pharaoh testifies to that, "I have sinned against the lord your god, AND AGAINST YOU." This and many countless verses testify that the BIBLE is a very good source of information about the JEWS (HEBREWS, ISRAELIS) and their relationship to idlozi labo. Yikho kule ethnicity lapha, ngoba sonke silamadlozi. Kodwa amadlozi ethu, kanye lo "GOD" idlozi lama JUDA, liyamazi uNkulu-Nkulu, njalo liyamkhonza.
Ungalibala lonke ibhayibhili ulivubanise uzathola ukuthi indaba yalo inye,, ilandiswa ngabantu abatshiyeneyo, ngezikhathi ezehlukeneyo, besebenzisa imifanekiso lezibonelo ezehlukeneyo. Ngike ngathi mandulo ibhayibhili alifuni kubalwa njengogwalo lwembali yomuntu ngoba lona liveza uNkulunkulu limfakazela emuntwini, izenzo zakhe lobudlelwano bakhe lomuntu.
Nxa uNkulunkulu ejulisa i'interest' yakhe kumaHeberu/Juda uyabasebenzisa nje njengesibonelo kumbe njengobufakazi ngaye. Uzathola ukuthi uFaro ubevele esezixwayile kuNkulunkulu yikho embiza okaMosi ngoba yena engamkhonzi. This saying by Pharoah, who incidentally is just an earthly ruler, is not authority to ascribe God to one group of people. UFaro yena uphika lo uNkulunkulu omtshoyo ngaphezulu onguye okhonzwa nguMosi. UFaro usuka nje aphelele emadlozini akhe avale amehlo ngokuphezu kwawo lawomadlozi, okunguNkulunkulu. Lokhu kuvame ukubangelwa yikwesaba ukumazi uNkulunkulu ngoba ungabamazi uzazazi wena muntu ububi oyibo, so kubalula ukuthi umphike ukuze uzihlalele odakeni kumbe engcekezeni yakho njengengulube
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Ngizacaca lapha ngithi esintwini akukho ukuthi ngithathe uNkulu-Nkulu ngimuphe amabizo angasetshenziswa ngabantu. I agree that different races will refere to the "GREAT SPIRIT uNkulu-Nkulu by different names, due to language differences. Kodwa ungathi LORD, e England, bakhona abantu abathiwa LORD (The House of Lords).Kuyazila lokhu esintwini. Ungathi uNkulu-Nkulu ngu KING, zona izizwe zabantu zilawo lawo maKING (IZINKOSI)??? Sesizilinganisa loNkulu-Nkulu na lezi zinkosi??? Awu Makhosi, kuyazila bantu esintwini lokhu. Ungathi ku Nkulu-Nkulu BABA, akukho njalo esintwini. Sesalandela nje izinto zokuza. Sesisona ngegama lempucuko.
Bengithi lamagama owaqambayo asetshenziswa ngendlela yokuchasisa (descriptively or figuratively) ngoNkulunkulu hatshi ukuthi useyikho lokho okutshiwo yilawo magama. UNkulunkulu ubukhosi ngobakhe, thina sibuphiwa nguye. Lamagama achasisa ukuthi konke okukulo umhlaba ngokwakhe uNkulunkulu njalo thina siyingxenye yendalo yakhe. Ungananzelelisisa iBhayibhili ligcwele inkondlo (poetry) ngakho kwezinye izikhathi igama lingasetshenziswa ngendlela engatsho mqoka elikutshoyo
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Ngacaca njalo emva le ngathi u "GOD" was a Salutation by the Caucasian people when summonig their ANCESTOR SPIRITS in Mout Caucus during prayer. Because they conquered other races in Europe, they spred that NAME. Thina lathi sesi thatha ibizo ledlozi sithi ngu Nkulu-Nkulu. Kuyazila. Into kumele ziqondiswe masinya abantu bengakafiki esigabeni sokuthi, "Akula ndaba ukuthi ubizwa athiweni, ngu Nkulu-Nkulu kuphela". Kuyazila. Asibatsheleni ukuthi uNkulu-Nkulu siyamazi. Kodwa asisoze sikhonze amadlozi abo egameni lika MveliNqangi.
Yikho lapha okulenkinga enkulu baba ukuthi sihle sibhalelwe (sibhajwe) ebizweni lakhe kuphela uNkulunkulu singakamazi ngezenzo lalokho ayikho khona. Yikho lapha othola sibulalana khona. Angize ngathanda ukuncoma usathane lemilingo yakhe kodwa lapha yikho esibona khona ubufakazi ngobunono bemicibilingwane yakhe, usathane. Usuka aphosele ithambo kuphela (in this case what name should be used)ezinjeni asale ephokothele inyama (who and what God is), zibulalane ke izinja zikhuthe umhluzi (salvation).
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BANTU, UNKULU-NKULU UYAZIWA ESINTWINI. NJALO LABA ABASILETHELE EZABO INDLELA BAKHONZA NJE AMADLOZI AKIBO, NGOBA YIWO ONGAWATHI NKOSI KUMBE BABA. AKULA NKOLO OKUTHIWA IYAGUQUKA, USIKO LUNGAGUQUKA BANTU, KODWA INKOLO AKUQALWA. YIKHO NXA BEGUQULA IZINTO UBEZWA BETHI THINA SI "BACKWARD", BETSHADISA INDODA ENDODENI, UMFAZI EMFAZINI.
Ngivumelana lawe kakhulu baba. Inkolo ihlala imile kusukela ewudala umhlaba kuze kube namhla. Kulo umugca wakho wokucina angilayo eyami i'comment' ngaphandle kokuthi ngithi i'Sodoma leGomora' zabhujiswa ngenxa yalobu budlwangudlwangu amadoda akhona esefuna ukudlwangula izithunywa zikaNkulunkulu.
Ngizacina ngelokuthi ngithini ya, uNkulunkulu wenzela abamaziyo izimanga ezimpilweni zabo ngamunye ngamunye. Akwenzele oyedwa angakwenzela omunye kodwa indlela laba ababili abazakwamukela bekukhwabithe ngayo izakwehlukana emehlweni omuntu ngemilingo kasathane osuka abhice okuhle ngodaka.
Ngiyabonga
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#29053 - 12/07/04 03:53 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Baba Siphepheli, awusiso siwula lanini wena. Izifundiso zethu zehlukene kuphela. Ukuze ungizwe into engizama ukuyitsho, ngizaqala ngengoma:
"MLIMO, MLIMO TJOKO, MLIMO."
Usuke wafika e NJELELE na? I Njelele lidwala elilobhalu, lapho kuthethelelwa khona isizwe, kumbe ngithi izizwe ezinengi zesintu. Liyafana leli dwala ledwala le DULA, libuye lifane ledwala le LUNDAZI emngcweleni we Malawi le Zambia (lapho okulamathambo amadala aManguni labe Lozwi), libuye lifane ledwala le KABALO e Kongo/Congo (lapho kulamathambo abokhokho bethu bengakezi eningizimu yomfula uBU-KONGO). Zindawo ezaziwa yiZANGOMA lezi.
Ayafana ke la amadwala le dwala lase Mount Caucasus.
Ukuthi "Mlimo" yikumemeza. Kwenziwa yilabo abazongena ebhalwini lolu olusedwaleni, loba kuse Dula, Kabalo, Lundazi, kumbe Njelele. Njalo labo abaya lapho kabayi khonza, bayabe besiya BIKA.
LINGIZWISISE BANTU, NGOBA ULIMI LWETHU SOLWATHONYELWA ZINDIMI ZEZIZWE ZOKUZA, SABUYE LATHI SAVUMA UKUHLANGANISA IMITSHO SISESABA UKUPHIKISA LALAPHO OKONAKALA KHONA, ABANYE BAZABONA AMABALA ENGIWASEBENZISA LAPHA ESENGANI NGAMABALA AMATSHA. QHA, YIKUTHI SESAWALIBALA NJE.
MAKHOSI.
Kuyafana ke, i"History" of the Caucasian People, (which I must emphasize stresses that not all whites are caucasian) iyatsho ukuthi laba bantu babesithi nxa besiyathethela, bafike edwaleni labo bamemeze amadlozi abo, (their ancestral spirits) bathi, "Gotti". Besebengena edwaleni leli, ababekwenta lapho asikwazi. Eminyakeni elandelayo, leli gama laguquka lathiwa, God, Gutt, kusiya ngokuthi yisiphi isizwe esasinqotshwa ngama Caucasians.
THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT.
Manje thina sekungathiwa sivume ukukhonza idlozi lezinye izizwe ngoba kungela ndaba ukuthi oNkulu-Nkulu ubizwa athiweni??? Nxa lilibi lelo dlozi ke??? As manifested by the bible, the GOD of the Israel is a SPIRIT of war - Deutoronomy 1:30, 7:2-3 and verse 16, Joshua 8:24-30, Joshua 13:1, Judges 1:1-4, and many other examples that show that he did not only condone the act of war, but he planned, directed and partook in the wars and the plunders that followed.
Usintwini asikwazi ukuthi kulembi elwelwa o Nkulu-Nkulu. Asililweli ilungelo lethu lobudlelwano bethu lo Nkulu-Nkulu. Amadlozi yebo, ngoba ungawalahla uyadubeka, isizwe sakho sizakwehlulwa ngezinye izizwe. Kodwa lo Nkulu-Nkulu asikho isizatho, impilo yakho iyintando yakhe, loba ulungile, loba ungumthakathi. Sitsho njalo isintu. Njalo the evidence is manifest in our everyday living.
Ngivumele:
YES THERE IS A HIERARCHY. Kulo Nkulu-Nkulu. Esintwini oNkulu-Nkulu kala bizo, yisilinganiso. (That which is bigger than bigness itself/ The Great Spirit). Sibuye silinganise sithi o Mveli-Nqangi. (That which appeared first at the appearence of all that was CREATED). Ngesintu ukuthi nqangi kuyasetshenziswa lebantwaneni abangama wele. Ophuma kuqala uthiwa linqangi.
Esintwini sithi oNkulu-Nkulu ulemimoya emibili ngokudabuka kwakhe. Kuyisilinganiso njalo ngoba emhlabeni lo owadalwa nguye, kulobubi lobuhle. Konke okubi lokuhle kwadalwa nguye. Ngaphandle nxa lina lisithi ukhona omunye owadala okubi.
Yikho lapho esehlukana khona >>>>> Ngoba lina lithi uSATANA nguye oliphambula endleleni ka GOD. Ngake ngabuza ngathi, "UYALINGANA NA LOWO SATANA LO GOD???" Angizange ngathola mpendulo. Kutsho ukuthi bayalingana. Ngoba usedidekile u GOD eqedelwa abalandeli bakhe. Nxa kunguye owadala lo SATANA, kulento ezimbili: 1,Wenza iphutha ngoba usesehluleka ukuyidiliza lento ayidalayo. 2, Ulocuku ngoba uyakholisa ukubona izidalwa zakhe zilwisa amandla laye amehlulayo - okubuye kuphikisane lezifiso zama KIRISITU abafuna sibemazi njengo muntu olungileyo. Above that he has failed to defeat him for all these millions of years.
NGAMADLOZI AMABILI ALWISANAYO NJE.
IF, and I say IF, If GOD was oNkulu-Nkulu, which he is not, I do not think you people would humiliate him as you do - Exodus 20:5 and Deutoronomy 4:24. Jelous of what, his own creation??? Adale u SATANA abesesiba lomhawu ukuthi abantu bakhe bazalandela u SATANA???
IDLOZI YEBO, LINGABA LOMHAWU. NXA UNGASALI THETHELI, INTO ZIYONAKALA. Qha oNkulu-Nkulu, kalaso isikhathi sokuthi uyamazi loba qha. Yena uyakwazi. Eyakho indlela ibekwe nguye. Ungathemba emadlozini ukuze akukhonzele ko Nkulu-Nkulu indlela zakho ziba mhlophe.
Yiso isifundiso esifundiswayo esintwini ngo Nkulu-Nkulu.
Ungivumele ngilandele kusasa ngichasise ngokuthi amadlozi wona ami kanjani. Lapha bengifuna siqale sibonisane isizatho esenza thina esintwini sale ukulandela u GOD, ngoba bamuthi ngu Nkulu-Nkulu wona umbhalo wabo uchaza kamhlophe ukuthi lidlozi nje.
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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#29054 - 12/09/04 04:25 AM
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Nkosi
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu.
Kulengoma eyakhokhelwa ngumkhulu wami eyayisetshenziswa ku ZBC ngu Inglam Nyathi ohlelweni oluthi "Amasiko Ethu":
NGITHETHELEL' ISIZWE
HEYAAAH HHEEEE
BABA WAVUM' UBUNGOMA.
Ihamba njalo lengoma. bayithatha amazwi lengoma kulomgidingo wokubonisana kwezangoma. Zazigida zilitshumi lantathu lezo zangoma. Kwakufike uLIZWI, isangoma esiyiso esibikayo eNjelele okwamanje, sona kibo sivela eSwazini. Njengoba ngitshilo, iNjelele kayisiyo yamaNdebele wodwa. Izizwe ezigoqela o SA, Botswana, Zambia, Swazi, Lesotho, Malawi, Kongo, Angola, Tanzania, zile Zangoma ezibikayo eNjelele. E Swazini yikho okule ZIKO lezangoma. AmaSwati bathi, "ITIKO LE TINYANGA", lapho okokhiwa khona umlilo yiZINYANGA le ZANGOMA.
Ngivumeleni bantwana besilo. Kukhona okumele sibekwazi. MAKHOSI.
Ngesikhathi u M-g-a-x-a-b-e ezama ukuthunqisa eNjelele, uLizwi wathutha waya eSwazini. Kodwa nanku esakufundayo ngamadlozi.
Ukudlozinga kutsho ukubanjwa umzimba ngamandla emimoya. Kubuye njalo kutsho ukubheka into, loba ukuyilondoloza, loba ukuyondla.
Umuntu ophilayo uledlozi. Libala lesintu leli. Idlozi ngumoya, kumbe ngithi umphefumulo. Ngesikhiwa - SPIRIT/SOUL. Yikho umuntu ophilayo ulenyama ledlozi (BODY and SOUL). Nxa usifa, idlozi lakho liyaphuma enyameni. Ngaleso sikhathi, kubhubhe inyama kuphela. NGENXA YOKWEYISWA NGEZINYE IZIZWE KANYE LOKUZEYISA SODWA, ABANYE BASUKE BACABANGE UKUTHI IDLOZI NGUMUNTU OFILEYO. Hatshi, idlozi ngumoya okhona loba umuntu esaphila, siwuhamba nje lomhlaba ngoba inyama zethu zembese amadlozi.
Umuntu angafa idlozi kalifi. Liyaphuma liduke ngelizwe. Yikho lapho abasaphilayo okumele benze elabo izopho ngalo osebhubhile. Idlozi elisanda kuphuma emuntwini liyaduka ngezwe. Lapho eliyakhona kugcwele eminye imimoya, eminye mibi, eminye mihle. Iyabhubhisana le mimoya. Yikho ukuze liyefika lapho kulele khona eminye imimoya yomndeni, WENA OSAPHILAYO WOMNDENI, NGUMLANDU WAKHO UKUTHI ULILONDOLOZE.
Yikho lapho abadala bosiko abasola khona ngeBhayibhili nxa liqonqosela amaJuda ukuthi athethele ngoba yikwenza kwedlozi lokho. Akula Nkulu-Nkulu othethelelwayo. Akukho esintwini.
Kulula ukulondoloza idlozi. Kwenziwa umgidingo okuthiwa nguMBUYISO. Nxa kuthiwa umbuyiso, yisilinganiso. Lokhu kwenza idlozi lingene emzini wa MATHONGO. Amathongo yimimoya yabokhokho abazala lowo mndeni obuyisa lelo dlozi laloyo osowafayo. Bathi abadala, "Kungedlula isikhathi ungali BUYISAnga, liyaduka ngezwe amandla alo aze aphele, libhujiswe ngamathongo ezinye izizwe. Singakhohlwa amasiko ethu, sizakwenyanya ukubuyisa amadlozi ezihlobo zethu. Aduke aze aphele amandla, abhujiswe ngamathongo ezinye izizwe, SISALE SINGELA SIHLANGU.
Yikho uGOD ezwakala ukukhala ethi ebantwini bakhe, "Thou shalt not worship any other god than me. Remember I am a jealousy god" Lidlozi uGOD, akasuye oNkulu-Nkulu.
Esintwini sithi, "AKUDLOZI LAYA EMZINI LATSHIYA KWABO". Uyatsho uGOD and he does not mince his words, "I am the god of Isreal" Ngilidlozi lika Israel.
AMATHONGO (ILITHONGO/ ITHONGO) lidlozi eselibuyisiwe, eseligxilile kwabakwabo. Lelidlozi selikwenelisa ukunceda abasaphilayo. Ilithongo linceda ngokukubonisa okuzayo. ISAZELA (Instinct), ngumlayezelo otholwa lidlozi laloyo osaphilayo uvela oThongweni labokhokho bakhe.
Loba beza besitshumayeza ukuthi idlozi labo selingo Nkul-Nkulu, sakubona ngemibhalo yabo ukuthi qha, lilokhe lilidlozi, njengoba bebeboniswa nje ngamaphupho njengazo zonke izangoma zomhlaba jikelele.
Amadlozi yiwo asithandazela ko Nkulu-Nkulu. Thina siwabonga ngemithethelo. Akukho esintwini ukuthi nginikela ko Nkulu-Nkulu. Nginikela edlozini.
YIKHO NGISITHI U GOD LO LIDLOZI NJE NGOBA UYAQONQOSELA EQONDISA IZIZUKULWANE ZAKHE O MOSES UKUTHI BAGCINE AMASIKO AKWABO BANIKELE UKUZE LAYE ADLE: Leviticus chapter 1, yonke. Linanzelele ukuthi lithini idlozi lama Juda ikakhulu ku verse 9, 13, and 17.
Lathi esintwini siyazi ukuthi amadlozi ethu angabhubha nxa engadli. Yikho sithethela. Asithetheli ko Nkulu-Nkulu. Sithethela emadlozini. Siwakhumbuza njalo ukuthi asikhonzele phambili ko Nkulu-Nkulu. Kambe umuntu angangibona ubumpofu ngoba ngithethela elami idlozi, ngisala ukuthethela elakhe? Yikho okwatshiwo ngama Kirisetu efika lapha e AFRIKA, bathi silahlekile, asiphucukanga, angani ukukhonza kulempucuko.
BASIQALA SIZITHULELE. MANJE IZENZO ZABO SEZIBONISA UKUTHI BABESOMA NJE. Ngoba okubekwe ngo Nkulu-Nkulu akuguquki. Lokhu esikuzwayo ukuthi sebetshadisa amadoda emadodeni, kusitshengisa lapho idlozi elingela mandla khona lesidalwa sika Nkulu-Nkulu.
Kengilobele oMtshede: AS MUCH AS THE IDLOZI IS DEPENDENT ON THE LIVING BEINGS, SO IS THE LIVING BEING DEPENDENT ON THE IDLOZI. THAT WAY, GOD CAN NOT BE THE GREAT SPIRIT ONKULU-NKULU, AS THE WRITINGS OF THE JEWS REFLECT HIM TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE HUMAN BEINGS.
Deuteronomy chapter 1 verse 42: nxa lingakukhokhelanga idlozi uyatsha embini. Akula mbi elwelwa oNkulu-Nkulu. Kodwa elami idlozi liyangikhokhela embini nxa ngilwela owami umndeni, kumbe esami isizwe. Yikho silibona idlozi lama Juda libakhokhela embini zabo, njalo libalwela kwezinye izimbi - 2 Samuel 5 verse 23-25, Joshua 8 verse 24-27, and Joshua 13 verse 1. Sithi isintu, oNkulu-Nkulu wasidala wasipha imimoya yengxabano. Yikho kulwiwa emhlabeni. Yikho njalo nxa idlozi lakho lingaqinanga, uyehlulwa. Ungalahla awakho amadlozi uba yinhlekisa ngoba uyabe usuncoma ubabaza awezinye izizwe. Deuteronomy 2 verse 28-36.
Esintwini sithi idlozi liyaqoma. Singahlanganisi oNkulu-Nkulu lamadlozi. Esinye lesinye isizwe siledlozi laso. Ungazama ukuhlanganisa amadlozi angela buhlobo uyayibona ingxabano yakhona ingapheli kuvuka lokhu lalokhuya. Elinye lelinye idlozi liqoma ngakwabo.
Singahlanganisi oNkulu-Nkulu lama Dlozi. Singathi oNkulu-Nkulu "is all-merciful", siyabe sisitsho izifiso nje. Esintwini sithi wasobela IMPIKISWANO. Izidalwa zonke zomhlaba ziphila ngawo lowo mthetho. "You eat or are eaten for survival. You survive to eat or be eaten. We all live for and in competition". Yikho kulengxabano. "We all live by the force of power. If you have no power you are not respected. If you are not respected there is no peace. Peace only exists where there is power."
Yikho lapho amadlozi akho abonakala khona. Nxa se abhujiswa, usuyisichaka nje. Awungeke phinde ulivuse ikhanda. ISINTU SITHI SONA, UKUZE NGIBHUBHISE ESINYE ISIZWE, KUMELE NGIQALE NGOKUSILAHLISA AMADLOZI ASO. Kunjalo ke, sithiyiwe thina. Mhlana sonke sisithi lahliyani okwakwethu, satsha isizwe sakithi.
Ngibuyele olimini luka Mnali: "That is why each people have an identity that contrasts them from all other people." Nxa oNkulu-Nkulu wayengakufuni konke lokhu, aluba sonke, kanye lezihlahla lezi esizibulalayo ukuze sakhe imizi yethu, aluba sonke siyafana siyinto yinye. Singahlanganisi oNkulu-Nkulu le dlozi. O Nkulu-Nkulu ngowabantu bonke, idlozi ngele sizwe loba umndeni. Khangela labo abazama ukuzisikela khona, Sebebizwa Roman, Anglikan, Dutch Deformed, Central Afrikan, Yonke ingxaba ngxoza. Kuyini okudala lokhu??? Bangasigconeli oNkulu-Nkulu ngokumenza angathi yinto ephambene. YIKUZAMA UKUBIZA IDLOZI UTHI ngo NKULU-NKULU. IF, and I say IF. If that GOD is or was what his followers purport him to be, there would be one church. When you ask them, EACH ONE BLAMES THE OTHER TO BE WRONG, AND HE TO BE THE RIGHT ONE. The fact that there is dessent in the church reflects the very nature of creation. YOU MAY REBEL AGAINST IDLOZI LAKHO, KODWA ONKULU-NKULU QHA. WHAT WOULD YOU BENEFIT, AND WHAT WOULD THE GREAT SPIRIT LOSE BY YOUR REBELION? Imibhalo yabo iyasibonisa ukuthi lidlozi nje. Religious wars bear witness to my testimony.
MAKHOSI.
Li Zwangendaba.
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