Zulu,kulendaba lapha engikade ngiyidondela kodwa sengize ngathi kahleni ngiwubuze lumbuzo,ngike ngaya kweyinye inkonzo lapha engilandi ngabona isimanga,kuthe sekuphakathi kwesikhathi sikuleyo nkonzo kwaba lesikhathe lapho abantu abaqala khona ukuhlaba umkhosi bekhuluma izinto ezingazwakali lokuthi bathini,ngithe nxa ngibuza umunye wabo wangitshela kuthi bakhuluma ngendimi ezingcwele.

Kungaba khona yini ongaba lolwazi lwalinto okuthiwa zindimi kuyini ngoba mina nxa ngiwufunda umbhalo ongcwele,engifunda khona kakuhambelani labakwenzayo,kahleni lingitshele ukuthi lababaantu benza okusem'bhalweni kumbe balulazisa lum'bhalo.

kunjalonje bayabe begijima begcwala yonkindawo,ngaphuma lapho ngidangele kanzima,ngathi ngifika endlini ngawufunda ngathola kungani yiyo le abayithi yiblasphemy nje.
Ncedani bakwethu

ololo labantonto labantinti.

Sibamba.....


Kanti lawe uyazitshaya yini mfo,kasiyevula inkonzo kwagodlwayo phela nduna.

Mahlaba

lami sengike ngahlangana lenkonzo ezinjalo esengake ngayibona ibingemi lapho kuphela bekusiba lesikhathi se"holy laughter" phecelezi uhleko olungcwele kumbe ukuhleka okungcwele. bajinge nje baqhunsuke ngohleko bechaye izandla bebhek'emafini.

well engingakutsho yikuthi i think ibandla lelo belingelomoya abizwa Pentecostal and esengikutholile yikuthi amabandla la have no central governing board but aranwa ngama-individual clergymen ngakho ngifunisela ukuthi ingqubo yenkonzo iyehlukana from one congregation to the other, but the norm is general like bakholelwa ekusebenzeni ko"MOYA".

abaziyo ngalamabandla bengicela basichazele kabanzana. ngiyabonga

mahlaba
mina kangisi sazi sempumalanga kodwa okwendimi 'kufana lemphuphu ma ungakasidli isitshwala sakhona, kutshukuthi ayika dilivelwa leyomphuphu kodwa IYEZA' ngakhoke hlalulindile

ungangitsheli ukutshi ulama ulcers awudli sitshwala hk hk.

iyeza lemini enkulu

Ngisakhumbula ngi faka kul'Inkundla into enjengaleyo...ngitsho phela ngezendimi lezi....angisazange ngike ngithole loyedwa owaphendulayo...ngay'eka...kodwa ngokubona kwami lami.....kunengi lokhu njengokutsho komfowethu phezulu apha lapho okuba leziny'izinto esijinga sizibuze ukuthi shuwa yinto ekhona leyi kumbe hatshi yiku ektha nje....phela mina lami ngazama bengitshela ukuthi ngiyavalel'umoya oyingcwele...betsho bethi "Let go the Holy Ghost" kwangitshiya sengizibuza ukuthi pho maa mina ngiyakuba nguloyo okhulunywa ngaye ukuthi 'abanye liyavala umoya oyingcwele ucine ubaleka'...asazi njalo...ngilokhe ngilombuzo apha mahlabezulu.

Phela mna ngakhulela, ngilokhe ngikhona njalo, ku Bhrathareni, laba abeMatopo, Mtshabezi, Wanezi (ngitsho phela ngezikolo ezinkulu)...esasikwenza kakhulukazi yikunikela, lokucula...laphoke...wang'qamba.....ngiyakuculela lapha ukhale....loba uhleke ...hk hk hk

Lembe

Ngiyakuzwa chief lapho,kungani ayangivula amehlo kodwa kusuka kungiphazamise kakhulu,nxa sekuhlatshwa umkhosi kungani sebegwazwe ngemikhonto mani,ummmm very odd,very odd.


Gayigusu

Woza uzotsho,lento its doin my in mani,kayisikho engikwaziyo mina.


Godlwayo.....

yiyo lento abekade ngikhuluma ngayo ndoda,iyangidida ucabange.

godlwayo.
eysh lami eyami inkaba yokukholwa isebrethren, great is the christ like foundation they laid in me.kanti ugodlwayo ngumakhelwane. but ngithemba uyazi ukuba indaba zendimi zake zahlupha ebrethren isp btwn elders and the youth. am happy its now water under the bridge.
but there is one thing i know if the holy ghost sweeps over, angazi ngikuchaze njani.
'kuhleke moya wami'- ngithemba uyayazi lengoma. thats the feeling that u get inside yoself.
i juss wish more people can join us on this issue ukuze siyidungulule

Ngiyalizwa bafowabo! Nxa lizimisele ukuhlafuna lindaba, kunganjani lolalo aqale ukufunda ugwalo lwe Zenzo/Imisebenzi ebhayibhilini! Lingabamba indaba elapho hatshi, sesingaqhubekela phambili. Angikwazi ukuxoxa ngalindaba ngaphandle kwalokho okutholakala kulolo gwalo ngoba kwaba yisona isibonakaliso sakuqala sendimi! Bambani ikakhulu isahluko sesibili.

http://www.ibs.org/bibles/ndebele/pdf/nt/Imisebenzi.pdf

Mabila

Siyabonga ngalolugwalo mtakababa. Ngizakuthi ke ngilukhangelisise kuhle ngihlezi phansi, besengiphendulake. Wenze kahle ngoba phela ngolwesintu, hatshi lapho sengitshaya ngibambile...ngibongile dade.

Gayigusu

Wang'qamba mfowethu...yheeehee nginguy'umakhelwane, phela zonke lezi izikolo ngibe ngasebenza lazo, lakubo Matopo Book Centre laphana koBulawayo, nabo Gegana, labo mbhishopi, esengu Shenk, phela khathesi ngu Ndlovu uDanisa owathath'intambo ngo 2000 ngingakezi lapha, silabo Dladla engu Treasurer, nabo bonke labana.
Utsho kahle mfanekhaya, lami ngaba kuyonaleyo indaba yezomoya, phela sasisithi nxa kulenkonzo yethu sodwa abe yhuthi, sasizikhonzela siwubanga umsindo, baze basikhuze oPastor labo mfundisi oZidhuli (Matopo), nabo Moyo (Wanezi) senze njengathi sizwile kodwa siphinde njalo, esp ngama Conference laphana, kodwa ungangibuza ngezomoya hayi angikwazi sibili, ngiyakhumbula ndoda mina ngibona abanye bebanjwa yiwo umoya oyingcwele kanenginengi, kungaba ngaphi seMatopo, eWanezi, loba eMtshabezi, ngizizwe sengi awuthi ofu plesi, munye sikhathi ngoba kuyabe sokunzima, lami ngiwatshile amehlo, ngitshonise lelizwi, ngikhulume ngolimi engiluzwayo nxa nga besithi zindimi, ngikhreme amagama...besitsho futhi bethi kwakulabantu ku yhuthi ababengenelisa ukuku trena ukukhuluma ngendimi...sasikwenza kakhulu kuma preyazi ethu lawo ayemanengi kakhulu, khonaphaya sesikwazi ukuthi abadala sebeyelala sisale sesibhizi ngomoya lezindimi, kodwa mina ngaze ngabuya laa ngingazake ngike ngibanjwe yiwo. Hayi angikhumbuli lutho sibili....ngikhumbula ngikhuluma nomngane wami u Joshua Mhambi ngalindaba isihluphile ezigabeni lapho okwakukhonzwa khona i Brethren In Christ ukholo kugoqela yonk'imthwakazi...yikuthi uJoshua wayesengenisa ezombuso welizwe phakathi kakhulu kucine sekudungeka...hk hk
Utsho kahle mfokamdala, it's now water under the bridge.....

Ngibongile nge response yakho wethu. Ngaze ngazizwa sengisekhaya mooo, sengisemsamo hk hk hk

Mahlab' ayithwale

Ngayakubingelela ngegama likaJesu mfowethu(Brother)
Ngiyakuzwa konke okutshoyo njalo lami ngilokululwazanyana ngezindimi loba nje ngingazi konke kodwa ngilokuncane engingakunikeza khona.

Zona kodwa izinto okuthiwa zindimi yizinto ezikhona njalo zikhona lasebhayibhilini.Ibhayibhili lisitshela ukuthi umuntu ukhuluma ngezindimi uma umoya oyingcwele ungamehlela njalo nxa ekhuluma ngalezi indimi laye uyabe engazizwa ukuhti uthini. Lokhu sikuthola encwadini ka-Acts2:1-13. Ibhayibhili lisitshela ukuthi abafundi bakaJesu babebonke ngelanga le-Pentecost endlini ephezulu njalo umoya oyingcwele wabafikela bakhuluma ngendimi ezehlukeneyo.

Nxa ungahamba encwadini ka 1 Corinthians Tshaphta 12 kusiya ku Tshaphta 14 sithola u Apostle Paul esithi izindimi lezi yizipho ezivela kubaba wethu osezulwini(Spiritual Gifts). Uthi uNkulunkulu usinika izipho ezitshiyeneyo abanye baphiwa izipho zokusilisa, abanye baphiwa izipho zokuporofita, abanye baphiwa izipho zokuchasisa izindimi njalo abanye baphiwa lezindimi.

Ibhayibhili lisitshela ukuthi nxa umuntu ekhuluma ngezindimi uyabe engazizwa yena ukuthi uthini kodwa umoya oyingcwele ophakathi kwakhe yiwo oyabe usukhuluma loNkulunkulu. Kodwa angitsho ukuthi wena nxa ukhuleka ngokwakho uyabe ungakhulumi loNkulunkulu, uyabe ukhuluma loNkulunkulu kodwa uPaul yena ukubeka esithi,,"He who speaks in tongues edifies himself" ku 1 Corinthians 14:4. Omunye umuntu wathi engichasisela wathi lokhu kutsho ukuthi kuyabe kukhona izinto okuyabe uzikhulekele ungazi kodwa nxa usukhuluma ngezindimi ziyabe sezikhuleka zona.

Engingakutshela khona mfowethu yikuthi nxa kuyikuthu awukhulumi ngezindimi ungalahli ithemba ngakho akusiyo into embi ukungakhulumi ngezidimi ngoba ngokutsho kombhalo uthi abalandeli bakaJesu behlelwa ngumoya oyingcwele bakhuluma ngezindimi njalo lawe loba ulandela igama ikaNkulunkulu uphile impilo ehlambukileyo phambi kukaNkulunkulu lawe ngelinye ilanga uzazizwa usukhuluma ngezindimi, ungazami ukufosa into engekhoyo uthi ngoba uzwe abanye bekhuluma ngezindimi.

Okunye engingakuxwayisa khona mfowethu yikuthi nxa uhamba ematshetshi lapha ungahambi ngoba ulandela lokhu abakuthi ngamamiracles kodwa hamba ngoba ufuna igama likaJesu Christu njalo konke okufunayo uzakuthola ( Matthew 6:33) ngoba kulezi insuku sebekhona aphorofitha bamanga abathi benza ama-Miracles kodwa kungekho lokhu befuna ukudlala ngabantu nje kuphela.

Ngakho ngithi qhubeka ngemdlela yakho enhle eyokukhonza inkosi njalo izakabusisa.

UJESU YINDLELA, LEQINISO LOKUKHANYA!

Inkosi ikubusise Mfowethu!!

Mzalwane Stimela samalahle

Nami ngiyakubingelela ngelihle igama lenkosi yethu uJesu Kristu...AMEN!!

Ngiyabonga mzalwane ngesikhathi othe wasithatha ungichasisela ngal'umbhalo, sengathi yena Mninimandla wonke angakuphilisa okunaphakade..

Hatshi ngiyakuzwa...ende Hheyi!!! wethu ukubeke ngendlela ekholisisayo mpela. Okhu ngangikuzwa, njalo ngiyavumelana nawe ngombhalo...yinto asasitshukumisana layo lena abadala labatsha kuBhrathareni, abadala basibambele ngokuthi khona mdabuko kaBICC babengakwazi lokhu so-ke babekukhangelela phansi, ngoba besithi kuyajinga kuvus'okunengi (imimoya engaqondakaliyo) ebandleni elingcwele. Ngikhumbula lomdala uGagisa uMkhwananzi laphana e Wanezi, sasihlala silodubo ngakho lokh'okuyinto...

Ngiyabonga, ngiphinde ngibongele bonke abakaMthwakazi, nabakulolukholo lwesiKrestu, labo bonke abale intiresthi ngakho lokhu....

EMthwakazi!!!!!

Ngensuku ngise very diligent ngezokholo I made a research on this topic. I will recollect what I found out and make my contribution b4 end of week. Its quite an interesting subject.

NGILALELE NGIYALIZWA MADODA.

Mzalwane Godlwayo' omnyama

Ngiyabonga mzalwane ngokungincoma kodwa lami mfowethu ngithi ungincedise sibonge kubaba osezulwini ingoba nguye osambulela izinto ezinje.
Inkosi ikubusise.

Sibambamahawu.

Ngiyakuzwa mfowethu ngensolo yakho ngalezi izindimi.Akusikho ukuthi nxa umuntu ethandaza sonke isikhathi kumele athandaze ngezindimi ikakhulu nxa kuthiwa kulento okumele ithandazele ngoba laye uyabe engazizwa ukuthi uthini.

U Apostle Paul uthi yena kungangcono akhulume amazwi amahlanu(5) ngolimi oluziwa ngumuntu wonke kulokuthi akhulume amabala ayi Ten thousand ngezindimi ezingaziwa ngumuntu.(1 Corinthians 14:19) ngoba kulesikhathi okumele umuntu azizwe ukuthi ukhulukelani. Angazi ukuthi ngingabe ngibe lusizo kuwe.

AMEN s'timela samalahle ngivumelana lawe kakhulu futhi mzalwane lami yiyo engiyingenayo ngangingu msabatha kusukisela ngizalwa kuze kube 1998 lapho omunye engazana laye wayengahambi unyawo luthanca or lukhumuka okomyaka wonke.

one of my friends invited us esontweni yabo yendimi ngahamba lami ngimangala bekhuleka bonke ngendimi uyazi ma ungumsabatha ukuthi ngitshoni, bathatha umgane wami owayeku wheelchair bambamba ngamanye amadoda amabili ngapha langapha umfundisi wafaka isandla wakhuleka ngendimi abanye bencedisa ngithi bemyekela ngangithi ngizabona ehlala phansi kodwa wahamba lalamhlokhu lowo muntu ungeke ukhulekelane laye ngoba bathi beqeda wahamba eseqa thina abakholwa ngokubona hk sagoqa iwheelchair.

ngakho mina lami futhi ungangithola echurch uyakhohlwa ukuthi yimi sibili ngoba GOD is great all the time.

AMEN s'timela samalahle ngivumelana lawe kakhulu futhi mzalwane lami yiyo engiyingenayo ngangingu msabatha kusukisela ngizalwa kuze kube 1998 lapho omunye engazana laye wayengahambi unyawo luthanca or lukhumuka okomyaka wonke.

one of my friends invited us esontweni yabo yendimi ngahamba lami ngimangala bekhuleka bonke ngendimi uyazi ma ungumsabatha ukuthi ngitshoni, bathatha umgane wami owayeku wheelchair bambamba ngamanye amadoda amabili ngapha langapha umfundisi wafaka isandla wakhuleka ngendimi abanye bencedisa ngithi bemyekela ngangithi ngizabona ehlala phansi kodwa wahamba lalamhlokhu lowo muntu ungeke ukhulekelane laye ngoba bathi beqeda wahamba eseqa thina abakholwa ngokubona hk sagoqa iwheelchair.

ngakho mina lami futhi ungangithola echurch uyakhohlwa ukuthi yimi sibili ngoba GOD is great all the time.

Stimela samalahle

Ngiyabonga ngamazwi akho njalo ngiyezwa ukuthi uthini,njengoba umfowethu usbambamahawu,esitsho ukuthi abakwenzayo kakuhambalani lokusem'balweni,uyabona sibili umuntu ekhuluma engizindimi kodwa kusasa uzambona sebhizi ngezinto zakhe,kanti umoya oyingcwele wangakhona kumele umuntu ayestarta njengesigayo yini echurch kumbe nxa ungemukela umoya ongcwele uhle uhlale kuwe.

I do believe in tongues and i now go to pentecoastal church but my argument is people are not doing to what the bible says,the bible in Acts 1vs8 says"But you shall recieve power,after the holy ghost is come upon you;and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem.and in all judia.....

Njalo u Joel 2vs28 kumbe uActs 2vs17 zithi zona "And it shall come to pass in the last days,says God that i will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,and your young men shall see visions,and your old men shall dream dreams".Wonke lamavesi afakaza ukuthi kwathenjiswa yinkosi kodwa nxa uthi uyakhangela udaba lukaSaul/Paul wayebhizi ehlukumeza abantu bonke ababe kholwa kuJesu kodwa ngelanga owahlangana khona lenkosi waphambuka kumisebenzi yakhe waba yisigqili senkosi.

Njalo nxa ungavakatshela u Acts 1 uzabonukuthi mhla uPeter abanye besemukela umoyongcwele bavele batshengisa ngesenzo zabo ukuthi sebeyizidalwa ezintsha njekutsho kukaRomans,kudwa amakholwa alezinsuku bakwenza umdlalo nje,uyabona umama ethatha umtanakhe esiyanika uchago ngapha ekhuluma ngendimi,ummm kasinanzeleni sizaphelela es'hogweni ngoba uyatsho umbhalo ukuthi isono sokuthuka umoya ongcwele kasithethelelwa.

Woza lawo sizwe mzalwane

Mahlab' ayithwale

Ngiyawezwa amazwi akho mzalwane njalo into leyi oyikhulumayo iliqiniso kakhulu.Namhlanje abantu sebedlala ngonkulunkulu sibili.

Kukhona laba ababizwa kuthiwa ngama"Hypocrites" abazenza bona abangcwele kodwa lapha ngaphandle besenza imisebenzi emibi kakhulu. Kwesinye isikhathi ungezwa umuntu ethandaza ingani uthandaza ngezindimi kodwa kungasikho lokhu,abanye abantu bezwa abantu abathandaza ngezindimi uqiniso labo sebesuka belungisele ngoba bekwazi ukuthi akulamuntu ozaba sola ngoba engazizwa lezindima.Abantu laba bayabe bengela moya oyingcwele bayabe bephongulungisela yikho uthola ukuthi nxa bephuma enkozweni bahamba bayeganga lapha ngaphandle.

Ibhayibhili kuGalatians 5:22 lithi," For the fruits of the spirit is love , joy , peace , patience , kindness , goodness , faithfulness , gentleness and self control ..." Lapha uyatsho umbhalo ukuthi wonke umuntu osethole umoya oyingcwele kumele abonise lokhu okuqanjwe lapha ngakho ungezwa umuntu ekhuluma ngezindimi kodwa uphinde umbone esesona uyabe engelawo umoya oyingcwele, engazalwanga kutsha(not born again) uyabe epretender.(Hypocrite).

Ngoba kulento okumele ngikutshele yona mzalwane. Lapha ezinkozweni kulabantu abaphonguhamba kuphela befuna ukufihla ububi ababenzayo esibabiza sithi ngama,"Church goers" kuzokuba lalaba abahamba ngoba befuna ukukhonza uNkulunkulu ngeqiniso langomoya esibabiza sithi ngama,"Believers"(really Christians) abafunda ilizwi njalo babuye baliphile, yibo ke laba abntwana benkosi. Kuyinto eqakathekileyo ukuthi ungathi ngoba umuntu uhamba enkonzweni uthi ungcwele, ulungile kodwa imisebenzi yakhe lezenzo zakhe yikho okumele kukhulume.

Yikho lokhu engingakutsho mfowethu ngalaba abantu abadlala ngenkosi.

Inkosi ibelawe.

Eiysh!!! laze langithinta kwamancane ngezenkonzo. Yiyona nto engiyaziyo lena. Imbhhalo leyi eliyibeke lapha iyangisiza kakhulukazi. Lonke ngiyalibonga bakwethu...kodwa njengokutsho kwenu futhi abanye bajinga bengasalandeli lowombhhalo, bebesebethatha ukholo (or part of it) besebekwenzel'inyama nje...ngoba ngisakhumbula ngingena l'umhlangano wokukhuzwa/lokukhuza iYhuthi yekhaya, ngemva kwe Conference esaba nayo eLobengula ngibona ngama 1998 loba 1999, kwaba lokulinganisa ukuthi kanti kungenxa yani lezi ezendimi zikhanya kakhulu endaweni ezimbalwa, kodwa thina silamabandla amanengi kangaka, phela ezaziphezulu ngezendimi kwakuyi:

1. Lobengula
2. Wanezi
3. Matopo
4. Mtshabezi

nxa sikhangele amabandla amakhulu loba ama steshini, kwakhanya okuyinto lokhu kuya ngenkokheli yakhona, kwaphuma ukuthi ungakukhangelisisa, ama Yhuthi lidazi ezinkonzweni lezi loba kulamabandla babezimbila zantabanye, bengabangane njalo besenza into efanayo ivini kuma programmes abo. Okunye engingakugcizelela lapha njengoba ngisitsho, abakhokheli bangenza kukhanye kukuhle loba kukubi laph'enkonzweni, ngiyakhumbula mina kuthiwa eMtshabezi babekwenza kodwa wawungeke uzwe lutho ngakho if any khatshana kwesikhathi, ngoba phela uSiziba wayengathakazeleli into ephunyiswa emitshini isiswa ngaphandle...ngibona liyangizwa khonapho. Engizam'ukukutsho lapha yikuthi, nxa lezizindimi zikhona (njengalokhu silabofakazi) kazenziwe sikhangele kuyena uSomandla, hatshi ukuthi senzele ilizwe lokujabulisa inyama nje, ngoba phela kwakusiba khona lokuthi loba kungaba lokuthandazela abagulayo ikakhulu sengikhangele kumabhodingi laphana, uzahlatshw'umkhosi (hatshi lakho kuqondile) kodwa phela babesiba khona laba bantwana ababesiwa kuphume ezinengi mdala, abantu batatazele, ivini kuma spotsi laphana babefeyinta abantwana, laphoke kube lexesha lokukhuluma ngezindimi....lingizwisise, ngizamkubeka ezinye izinto ezani azingiphathi kahle ngezindimi, njengoba ngitshilo ngaphambilini, kuya ngokuthi likuphatha njani okuyinto kwakhona...

Ngilitshayel'ihlombe bazalwane ngembono eliyifezile ngaloludaba...Hhaleluya!!!! AMEN!!!

GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME: ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD! AAAAMEN!!

Bazalwane ngiyalibingelela ngegama likaJesu uMsindisi wethu owasifel'esiphambanweni wachith'igaz'elingcwele, ngisithi ukuthula makwande phakathi kwethu.

bengicela lami ukuphonsa okuluvwana kwami ngalindaba yendimi. angizukwanda ngomlomo njengebhasikithi kodwa ngizanamathisela izahluka ezibetha ngendimi besengibeka imibuzwana esingayiphendula sonke phecelezi, sekuyindatshana yokuzwisisa/comprehension. ngizanamathisela iMisebenzi 2(Acts chapter 2), labaseKhorinte bakuqala chapter(s) 12-14. ungabala amaChapters la(advisable) or scroll down to the questions and refer back to the chapters for answers.

Acts 2 whole chapter

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.


1Cor 12

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
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Chapter 13


1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Chapter 14 (chapter 14 is contunuation of chapter 13)

1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.


1.What are the differences and similarities between the tongues mentioned in Acts 2:4-11 and those in 1Cor 13:1?

2.What is the most prevalent form of tongues today (that of men[different languages Acts 2:4-11] or that of angels 1Cor 13:1 [glossalalia])?

3. Is speaking in tongues the only spiritual gift hence a sign that one has the Holy Spirit? 1 Cor 12:8-10

4.Who chooses who receives what gift? Can ones pastor, friend, decon, mai mufundisi e.t.c, pray for him/her to receive a gift of tongues? 1Cor 12:11

5.Which is the most important spiritual gift and which is the least? 1Cor 13:1ff

6.What is the sign of the infilling of the Holy Spirit in ones heart:? Acts 1:8 (not pasted sorry).

7.What is the specific purpose of the gift of tongues? 1Cor 14:22

8.What is Paul's main argument in 1Cor 14:7-19, is he for an intelligent speech or unintelligible gibberish? like, Manishma. Tov toda Rabbah(Hebrew) or Hamasatacharama amasatacharama, rasdashan, mondo succha( glossalalia/tongue) lami phela ngiyawatshaya hk hk.

9 (In 3 parts)

a). How many people could possibly speak in tongues during a church service or at a time? 1Cor 14: 27 and vs 33.

b).Is the interpretation of tongues mandatory? 1Cor 14:27 (if yes, do they do it in our churches?).

c). If there is no interpreter what does Paul say?1Cor14:28 use the New English Bible (NEB) for better wording those who do not have it, it says "let him shut up".

these little questions can be used to test what we are used to against the Scripture coz somethings are very spiritual but not scriptural and there are so many spirits out there.

amachapter avele kwi KJV.

Pho u "mai mfundisi" sengowani?

Mabila

jus pulling your leg I khew you were gonna catch that one hk hk.

Lembe

kuyaboneka mfawethu ukuthi uthe waphosa amavesi angancedisa ekuzwisiseni leinto eqakathekileyo kangaka kithi ikakhulu lamavesi

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts


Ngiyabonga baba,phinda njalo

Mahlaba

njengoba uthe ngiphinde ithi ngizame. ngiyabonga ngokucacise okwenze ngaphezulu.

Lindaba yendimi inde njalo ibanzi ayiqalanga lamuhla yadabuka lesiKrestu. uMpostoli uPhawuli walwisana layo eKhorinte njengoba incwadi iveza.

nxa ungananzelela indimi zilula ukulingisa nje. lindaba ingikhumbuza okunye okufana okulingongongo, kuyazitshaya, kudlala, umalumakho akukhuze. kodwa amagift anjengokuprofetha anzima ukulingisa ngoba kumele kufezeke lokho okubonisiweyo nxa kuyindlala enkulu ,umkhuhlane, impi, kumbe umbiko ovela eNkosini labotsunami, kumbe into ezingehlela umzalwane.

Okusemqoka okumele sikunanzelele yikuthi lababantu abakhuluma ngendimi they are under the influence of a "spirit", bakhona abalingisayo nje abalememory ebukhali labarayimayo, but the big question is whose spirit is at work? since it is crystal clear that what people do is inconsistant with the Holy scriptures. Things like praying for people to receive the gift of tongues or teach them how to speak in tongues. The apostles could only pray for one and lay hands on him to receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 19:1-6 is the most commonly misquoted part of the Holy Scripture which says:

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1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

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More light can be given by the same apostolic act in Acts 8:15-17

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15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

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These acts were very clear, to receive the Holy Spirit and He is the one who give gifts according to His will, it was not for Paul or Petros to decide who receive tongues or whatever gift.

Well Petros did warn about the Pauline epistles/letters in 2Peter 3:14-18 and said,

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14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

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Well today most of us will quote scriptures unto our own destruction. Lindaba ngibilayela ngayo nje ngoba ngiyibona nsukuzonke lakumabonakude idlwangile abantu are being taken for a ride. Like one friend of mine taeches that once you are saved and received the Holy Spirit shown by speaking in tongue you will never be lost you are now immune to sin that is you can sin and Jesus will take it all since the bible says for all have sinned and come short of glory. Now and again he takes his tongue mistresses on vacation leaving his wife at home under the flag of salvation guaranteed by speaking in tongues. not all tongue speakers do this evil though.

I strongly recommend all the able minded Mthwakazians who wish to espouse christian values to do the following,2Timothy 2:15-16

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15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

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and "Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read" -Isaiah 34:16, KJV

lami ngingo webandla labazalwane kuKristu Bretheren in Christ ,indaba le iyahlupha endaweni ezinengi , people tend to have sceptic views about it why because it is in it self a one on one with God ,u pawuli uthi ye kuhle ukukhuluma ngezindimi kodwa nje khona akukhulisi ibandla kukhulisa umoya or spirit man of that particular individual ,so thina njenge nkundla kasinanzeleleni ukuthi into le ingumzwangedwa futhi , futhi iyisipho so abantu at various levels of salvation will be found speaking in tounges akuyi nge experience kuyi gift ,futhi ngicela lo obuza ngale ndaba atsho ukuthi yena uMoya oyiNgcwele uyawuqondisisa yini ngoba phela speaking in tounges is just one of the many signs of the presence of the Holy Spirit , a phawuli uthi yena masicela sicele ikakhulu ukuprofetha yikho okwenza labangakholwayo kuThixo bakholwe izindimi are of personal gain , but nxa nga uNkulunkulu enganginika amandla okuprofetha ,besengibona omunye wethu olapha ebulenjini kuvision or dream ezakwehlelwa yingozi ,kumbe elenkinga emhluphayo uMoya ungambulele imfihlo yakhe kuba yinto enhle omunyewami esesizakele ,futhi kube yibufakazi ukuthi sikhonza uNkulunkulu ophilayo owezimanga ,kasiqaphelenike nkundla singabi njengaba pharesee ababemi ngolwazi lombalo kodwa amandla kaThixo bengelawo ,futhi amandla kaThixo atholakala ekuzehliseni lokumdinga ngemithandazo elokuzincitsha lokudla over a long time , you just have to seek God with all your heart kenje i greatest commandment kaJesu liyayazi nkundla ithi yona love the Lord God with all your heart and soul , phela kayilula lendaba eyothando uThixo simnika ipeacemeal love ibosso ibengaphezulu kwakhe ,nxa sinjalo kubanzima ukuthi siyiqonde kahlekahle lendaba yoMoya , but kuhle sibuzane bandla ,lami kukhona engikwaziyo lengikukhuthayo lingiqondise yibo phela ubuhle benkundla lobu

futhi bazalwane nanzelelani ukuthi ibandla le korinte lalihlupha laphiwa imilayo egoqela izinto ezinengi okwaziwakakhulu yikuthatha , izindimi , lokuthi abafazi bathule du enkonzweni babuze ngekhaya uphawulu ubaxwayisa kuzolezi izinto ngoba ababekhuluma izindimi babephinga fornication sokhonapho kusipha isibonelo sokuthi ukukhuluma ngezindimi does not mean gaining supernatural power to be temptation proof and ultimately not sin ,David was a man after God's own heart but he sinned , futhi lokhu akunike thina igunya lokonela uThixo never ,so akusiqiniso ukuthi nxa ukhuluma itounges awubi lolaka olu out of control or awusafebi ngitsho lesi yisipho nxa usiphiwe be grateful udumise , remember the great commision is there for us to bring more people to Christ and speaking in tounges paul says we should seek more of prophesying , then my advice is asilandeleni upaul sibengama witness ngezimanga ezisilandelayo than imdimi esizikhulumayo

Bakwethu

Nxa ngingaya esontweni lapho okulabantu abakhuluma isi Jama and then nxa sekukhulekwa ngikhuleke ngeSiNdebele, akuzukuthiwa ngikhuluma in tongues?

Umbuzo wami owesibili, yikuthi who has the ability to interprete ama 'tongues' lawo akhulunywayo and determine ukuthi manje umuntu lo okhulekayo is speaking in tongues pertaining to holiness?

Ebhayibhilini, we should note that in most of the incidents where people spoke in tongues kwakule purpose - and that was solely to be heard by the audience. Acts 2:6 (the pentecostal incident)illustrates this clearly.

On the issue of spiritual gifts, they are there for a purpose hatshi ukuthi kube for individual understanding kuphela. They are there for the benefit of the church and community atlarge. Nxa umuntu engaba le gift of the tongues zingela benefit to the congregation, angiboni ukuthi kuyabe kuhambe njani. if umfundisi azakhuluma in tongues, who is he serving? God hears me nxa ngikhuleka ngeSiNdebele, ngakho indaba ye tongues le we should look at it in context.

Ngimcane ebhayibhilini bakwethu, mhlawumbe angilibali kuhle ibhayibhili lami.

Lembe


15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:


ucacile mpela baba bangemukelisa abantu ngokubathandazela kodwa not kubafundisa ukukhuluma ngazo,ngoba labo bangake bazi ukuthi bayabe besithini

Sgero

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Umbuzo wami owesibili, yikuthi who has the ability to interprete ama 'tongues' lawo akhulunywayo and determine ukuthi manje umuntu lo okhulekayo is speaking in tongues pertaining to holiness?

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That is another gift of the holy spirit though i havn't seen it i believe as i read in bible,

1 Corithians 14vs13

Therefore let him that speak in an uknown tougue pray that he may interpret.

22-Therefore tongues are for a sign,not to them that believe,but to them that dont believe;but prophecying serveth not for them that dont believe,but those who believe.

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On the issue of spiritual gifts, they are there for a purpose hatshi ukuthi kube for individual understanding kuphela. They are there for the benefit of the church and community atlarge. Nxa umuntu engaba le gift of the tongues zingela benefit to the congregation, angiboni ukuthi kuyabe kuhambe njani. if umfundisi azakhuluma in tongues, who is he serving? God hears me nxa ngikhuleka ngeSiNdebele, ngakho indaba ye tongues le we should look at it in context

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Wrong baba,labo lithi bayabe bengazi ukuthi bathini

1corithians14vs2

For he that speaketh in an uknown tongue speaketh not unto men,but unto God;for no man understandeth him.

3 But he that speketh in anuknown tongue edifieth himself but he that profesieth edifies the church.


Uyakuzwisasa mfowethu,into le iyahlupha,yake yehlukanisa amachurch eNjube Methodist,leNkulumane iyouth isihambe yayabuya lazo indimi from pentecostal churchs,abadala bacina sebengena bodwa,kodwa ngokuya kwesikhathi weza omunye umfundisi weMethodist evela eMelika wabafundela ibhaibheli ngezindimi basebekwamula.

qhubeka ndoda sibonisane ngalindaba.AMEN!!

Mahlaba

Ngiyakuzwa mfowethu, inzima indaba le. Ngizayaqaza, ulinde ngiyeza ngoba qotho sibili mina indaba yama tongues iyangiphica.

Excerpt from Acts 2:

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1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

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Mina zihlobo engikuzwa lapha yikuthi nxa kukhulunywa ngendimi kumele lami ngizwe kungani kukhulunywa olwakwethu. Nxa kungenjalo mmmmm nyewu ngewu, ikati liyasola bakithi.

Umbono wami, kumbe ngithi ithemba lami lisekutheni konke esikwenza phakathi kwebandla kumele kugcwalise izifiso zikaThixo zokuletha imuli yakhe esandleni sakhe somusa hatshi ukusuthisa izifiso zami ngedwa.

Asazi njalo bakithi.

Bakithi,

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Speaking in tongues is not an incidental, unnecessary additive, but is a profound, wonderful, God-given, prophesied experience resulting from obedience to God's Word.

Speaking in tongues is not only a gift of the Holy Spirit, it is the identification of the indwelling Holy Spirit in believers and is to be seen and heard. (Acts 2:33). Tongues is also used as a manifestation in the Church for the purpose of indicating the presence of the Holy Spirit.

"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every (Spirit filled) man to profit withal." (1 Corinthians 12:7) and which manifestation includes the gifts as listed in the next verses. But not according to the critics!

NOT DUMB IDOLS !
Paul wrote to the Spirit-filled (all speaking in tongues) Church and made a point of reminding them that before they moved into this Pentecostal scene they were worshipping dumb idols. (1 Corinthians 12:2)

The Greek word for dumb is 'aphonos', meaning 'mute' or 'voiceless'. The same word is used to describe our Lord when he willingly died so that salvation (the Holy Spirit) could come. " ... He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth" (Acts 8:32).

Speaking in tongues in the Church is a manifestation of the Spirit. It is God speaking through His chosen vessels. Many mystics like to sit around and meditate, assuming that God will speak to them in some way as they endeavour to make their minds a blank. To communicate with God the Bible says to "... bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:5). In the Old Testament God promised that He would communicate with us. Since the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost nearly 2000 years ago, He communicates with us through the Holy Spirit manifestations.

In the episode at the well in Samaria Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, "Ye worship ye know not what: (but) we know what we worship ... But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in (by the) spirit and in (according to) truth: for the Father seeketh such, to worship Him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in (by the) Spirit and in (according to) truth.'' (John 4:22-24) The Word of God is truth. To worship the Lord in Spirit and in Truth is to worship Him as Paul directs in Corinthians where he describes the operation of the Holy Spirit.

Critics endeavour to use the advice Paul gave to the Spirit-filled Church about the importance of tongues and its orderly use, to eliminate tongues from their considerations. By doing this they revert to the worship of dumb idols

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Okungcwele akusolisi ngoba umoya ongcwele wona awuqambi amanga, wena nxa uzithemba ngobukholo bakho iqili uzahle ulibambe ngoba umoya uzahle ukubonise engakawuvuli owakhe atsho ama rokatara akhe amanga umsiyoni lo.

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Get Rich Quik..or Die Trying ...be Warned.
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Uma nxa singamakholwa sikhonza uNkulunkulu, okombhalo uphawo lolu esisuka sibelalo (Osabatha,Osiyoni,Omethodist)alusehlukanisi yini kundlela esizakhonza ngayo? Ngizama ukuthi ngifike ekutheni izindimi lezi ziyatholakala emacaweni wonke na? ngoba kulabanye abathi ayikho leyo mimoya lezindimi?

Ucacile lubaba


origianlly posted by Volovolo lwe AKA

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Speaking in tongues is not only a gift of the Holy Spirit, it is the identification of the indwelling Holy Spirit in believers and is to be seen and heard. (Acts 2:33). Tongues is also used as a manifestation in the Church for the purpose of indicating the presence of the Holy Spirit.

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Kodwake into yikuthi ubuzenzizisi yibo asebegcwele njalo labo abakhuluma ngazo sebe bona amanye amabandla angenzi okomoya kungani bona kabakhonzi enkosini ngikupheleleyo,ngiyake ngibezwe nje bebhizi benyaza amabandla enjengabo Catholic labo Methodist,kanti labonje bayabe bezenzisa nje,unkulunkulu nguye yedwa ongahlulela abantu ukuthi bayamkhonza ngeqiniso kumbe hatshi.

Liyavuma yini?

Volovolo lwe aka

Ngiyakubingelela mfowethu ngegama lika Jesu. Ngiyawabonga amazwi akho la othe wasabela wona.

Ngibona angani lapha ucace waphelela, konke ukufake ngendlela ezwisisisekayo.

What I liked mostly and which is true is that people must worship God in truth and in Spirit and with all their mind and their strength. Once people do that they will really know God and know whether speaking in tongues is true or is it really necessary.

Inkosi ibusise.

kuya jabulisa kukuzwa abantu abakithi be khuluma
ngo nkulunkulu ngizwa injabulo ngaphakathi
ujesus muhle amen

Indimi ezakhulunywa kuZenzo zazizwiwa ngabantu lokhu ukuthi rapapata angikuzwisisi mina. Abanengi engake ngababona bakhala inyembezi besekuthiwa ngumoya. Kambe nxa umoya ongcwele ukhalisa abantu usizani. UNkulunkulu engimkhonzayo ule order hatshi lokhu esikubonayo, abanye bawelaphansi, badunuse kuyangise. Mina lokhu ngakubona emaYouth Camp akithi eBrethren osisi sebefenta obrother bebakopulula amablauzi. Inengi bangazuza abafazi kumbe amadoda okubathatha indimi nya. Inkosi engiyikhonzayo iluthando futhi ithi hlonipha, indimi lezi sezenze abantwana badelela abazali besithi abasindiswanga.

s'timela mina ngivumelana lawe mnewethu kanye lobrother volovolo ngithi amen kakhulu futhi unkulunkulu nguye owaziyo and nguye umahluli wento zonke hayi thina we are not here to judge but lokho asikutshiyeleni yena ophezulu.

Nomangqika

Hatshi kuhle ukuzwa ukuthi lawe uvumelana lathi Dadewethu.

ASIHLALENI SIKHANYISILE NGEZIBANE ZETHU ZINGACIMI UKUZE ABANTU BAZI UKUTHI UJESU NGUMSINDISI.

1JOHN CHAPTER 2THE NEW COMMANDMENT IT SAYS MY DEAR FREINDS.LAM NOT WRITING TO GIVE YOU A NEW COMMANDMENT. IT IS THE SAME ONE THAT YOU WERE FIRST GIVEN,ANDIT IS THE MESSAGE YOU HEARD, BUT IT REALLY IS A NEW COMMANDMENT,AND YOU KNOW ITS TRUE MEANING,JUST CHRIST DOES.YOU CAN SEE THE DARKENESS FADING AWAY AND TRUE LIGHT ALREDY SHININGIF WE CLAIM TO BE IN THE LIGHT AND HATE SOMEONE,WE ARE STILL IN DARK . BUT IF WE LOVE OTHERS WE ARE IN THE LIGHT ,AND WE DONT CAUSE PROBLES FOR THEM.IF WE HATE OTHERS WE ARE LIVING AND WALKING IN THE DARK ON THE LAST VERSE IT SAYS OUR FOOLISH PRIDE COMES FROM THIS WORLD,AND SO DO OUR SELFISH DESIRES AND OUR DESIRE TO HAVE EVERYTHING WE SEE .NONE OF THIS COMES FROM THE FARTHER .THE WORLD AND DESIRES IT CAUSES ARE DISAAPPEARING BUT IF WE OBEY GOD, WE WILL LIVE FOR EVER BATHI NKOSI NKOSI NGEMILOMO IMISEBENZI SOBALA NGUBANI OSAYIKHUMBULA LENGOMA UNGABOTHOLA BEKHULUMA NGENDIMI KHULEKA KUNKULUNKULU WAKHO TO GIVE STRENGHTY TO UNDERSTAND THEM DONT DO LIKE THEM BUT DO WHAT THEY SAY NGUJESU ETHI LINGEZI NJENGABA FARISI KODWA YENZANI ABAKUTSHOYO

HHayi mani mfowethu mthabisi. Kanti kuyini fethu?? Mina angiboni ikhonektshini yokuzonda amatshona lalokhu esingakho kwezomoya lezindimi...mhlawumbe ngiyaphosisa...kodwa angikuboni...ungangifundisa nje ngiyavuma. Kanti vele size sizonde laba bantu kwakutheni, oro kutheni? Ungalandela sibili impilo esiyidonsayo njengabakaMthwakazi...ayiyinhle... kubangelwa ikakhulukazi yibo laba bantu...abakwenzi mgceke, bakwenza becatshile, sibe siphaphama sesiwile ngemlomo...sikumangale ke lokho...kukanengi sisithwa ama sekhendi sithizeni ekhaya...into le mina bengingavele ngingafuni lokuyikhuluma, ngoba phela kwafiwa kithi ndoda, sadubeka, sakhala, sazithulisa, sabon'ukuthi okungcono lathi sesibuyisela lolo zondo. Umuntu umupha i rhispekthi ma lawe ekupha yona, angitsho i thithi fo thethi hhayi kodwa ubudlelwano....ngiyaxhamanda nje ayisikho ukuthi angilayo imcijo, ngilayo wethu, kodwa ngilobuhlungu obukhulu ngokubala ezinye izinto ezingifosa ukuthanda lowo ongizondayo ende okubi njalo...ngidabukile imhlola, ngizathandaza ngakho baba.

As yee were!!!!!!!!!....kumpeni ufuna sitsho ukuthi kuyini esakubonayo nge Gukura, besithi siyiyo leyo i hundi yabo...betshaya i rhimothi bese halale khonale thna sisitsha nge red bherethi, bebulalabantu angani bagamul'imfe ensimini zabo, kutshiyane nje ngokuthi bayabe bezonde befile.
Madoda lingasenzi so mani, lizasiqala...

mthabisi 88

Ndoda ungazami ukudlala ngebhayibhili ngoba ibhayibhili asinto yokudlala.

Ngiyakhola kuNkulunkulu ngayo yonke inhliziyo yami njalo ngiyazama ngazo zonke indlela ukuthi ngiphile impilo emjabulisayo ubaba osezulwini.

Le ivesi oyisebenzise lapha akumelanga uyiqondise kithi ngoba asithi esibahlukumezayo lababantu.Nxa kuyikuthi you are real mthabisi88 and you would really love to see love between the Ndebeles and the Shonas you must go with that verse to the Shona people( that Jesus said we must love one another) and tell them because they are the ones who are oppressing us and they want to make us suffer.

To make it worse look at the state in which Bulawayo is in today!Its not that it can not be better but the situation is worsened deliberately.

So lapha ndoda ungathi ubona ukuthi siyakholwa usuphongujwamula iverse ebhayibhilini uthi mana ngibavale amehlo.Into okumele ukuthi usitshele yona yikuthi uthi sibathandazele lababantu khona uNkulunkulu ezabazwela isihawu lababantu abanike that Gift of repentance so that they repent and refrain from those evil deeds they are doing to the Ndebele people so that they get saved because Jesus said we must pray for our enemies.

So I repeat once again, dont abuse Bible for your own personal gain but only for the benefit of the Kingdom of God.

Isitimela lesi sesizatshabalalisa konke okungani akuzwakali....loba ngese getsi asila rhawundi....nxa umuntu ezazenzisa ngendaba ye bhayibhili ethi uthatha i tshansi ukusilibazisa...hayibooooo asithambanga ngaleyo ndlela....sibongile Stimela samalahle, uyazi mfanekhaya kuyamangalisa so...mina sengifundile ngomuntu furomu lamhla...kanti wenzani lo mfowethu sibisibili.....

Bakithi,

Ngiyacela ngesihle esikhulu ukuba sihloniphe lenkulumo esiyiphetheyo ngegama lenkosi uJesu.

Labo abafuna ukuthethisana kabavule amatopic abo enhlamba bodwa batshiye le eyokuthula lokondlana ngegama lakhe umdali.

IBhayibheli lithi "where two or three are gathered in my name, my presence will be felt". Mina ngokwami bekungikhulisa kakhulu esikristwini ukuxoxa labanye ngendaba yomoya ongcwele, manje nxa sokuzangena inqondo kaSatan sibuye siyivumele thina singabantu banye, yena uThixo uzasithethelela njani kwezethu izono.

Bakithi ngiyaphinda njalo ngicela kasihlonipheni leligama.

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Get Rich Quick...or Die Trying..Be Warned.

mfowethu ngiyawabomga amazwi akho njalo usathane uphethe izembe udinga amakholwa hatshi abangabakhe ngoba ukuze azibonakalise kumele aye emakholweni ngakho ngithi nxa ngiphambanisile l pray to the lord he is the one who will judge me and forgive me l pray to yu, lord . i beg for mercy. l tell you all my worries and my troubles ,and whenever l feel low,you are there to guide me. trap has been hidden along my pathway.even if you look ,you wont see anyone who cares enough to walk beside me there is no place to hide ,and no one who really cares l pray to you loard you are my place of sefety,and you are my my choice in the land of the living . please answer my prayer .lam completely helpless. help, they are chasing me and they are too strong rescue me from this prison ,so i can praise your name bafethu ngithe ngiphendula incwadi ebhalwe phezulu eyendimi ngithethe i bhayibhili ngacimeza ngavula ngathi ipage engizayivula izangiphendula yikho ngiybhalile hatshi ukuthi bengiqondeni lanamhlanje ngithe ngivulile enye ipage yangiphendula ngakho ngithi nxa ngiliphendule kabi its my punishment from god ngoba UJOB UTHI NXA ELEZILONDA UMZIMBA WONKE bathi kuye abantu yindaba unkulunkulu wakho engakusizi uthi yipunishment yami ngonile ngilethemba uzangixolela lami ngithi lami ngithi nxa ngithwalanzima kukhona engikuphambanisil;eyo kunkulunkulu wami its my punishment i will take it and accept it . he will forgive me. l look at the hills.where will l find help. it will come from the lord who created heaven and earth

Thank you very much Volovolo lwe AKA for your plea to keep this forum Holy.

Kuqinisekile lokhu sibili njalo ngikhuthaza bonke abafowethu(Brothers and Sisters in Christ) ukuthi singavumeli usathane asingene sicine sesikhuluma inhlamba kule iforum ngoba ngeqiniso lami iyangisiza kukhulu leforum and that is how evil the devil is. Whenever he sees that people and uniting together and the Kingdom of God is growing he uses something so that people will start to fight among themselves and cause that confusion so that the word of the Lord will stop being preached.

I would like to ask all users of this forum to remember it in their prayers so that the devil does not gain grip on it and cause fight and anger.Thank you very much Volovolo lwe Aka for being aware of this thing early enough and speaking about it.

mthabisi88

Mfowethu asikho ukuthi siyakuzonda kodwa sizama ukuthi sibonisane ngoba abanye abantu lanamhlanje inhliziyo zabo zilokhu zisopha ngezinto ezenzakalayo, asikho ukuthi siyalwa kodwa lathi ubuhlungu siyabuzwa because we are also made in flesh we are still praying to God. Kuhle kakhulu ukuthi uyavuma ukuthi ungabe usuke waphambanisa ngakho thina asingeke sikwahlulele ngoba singabantu njengawe esiphila kulo umhlaba kodwa umdali ophezulu nguye okwaziyo.

John 17:20
"My prayer is not for the alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,21 that all of them may be one,father , as you are in me and I am in you."

John 17:20
"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one , Father , just as you are in me and I am in you."