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#32591 - 10/16/06 04:27 AM A Book on Gukurahundi finally
Ndabezitha Offline
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Ngihlangane logwalo olukhuluma ngeGukurahundi. lolugwalo luyicaza injalo lokuthi yaqala njani.
lutholakala ku http://www.lulu.com ubeusdinga ugwalo oluthiwa Echoes from the grave.

lokhu kuyakhalisa.
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#32593 - 10/16/06 08:54 AM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
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I will buy this book. It is very vital for those who were too young to understand what was going on and eventually realised that they are orphans, and all their relatives are slain.

Ngiyabazonda opasi.

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#32596 - 10/16/06 08:24 PM Re: IZIGIGABA ZEMPI [Re: Dokotela]
mthembu25 Offline
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Registered: 12/05/05
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Loc: PLUMTREE
Will anyone kindly help me as to where I can finally get 2 books...NGENZIWA NGUMUMO WELIZWE by N.S SIGOGO and IZIGIGABA ZEMPI YENKULULEKO.I dont know the author of the second one but it is also a Mambo Press & Literature Bureau (1984).Thank u Mthwakazi omuhle in advance.
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#32602 - 10/17/06 12:26 PM Re: IZIGIGABA ZEMPI [Re: mthembu25]
Mahlab'ayithwale Offline
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It is a special book for it is going to reveal and unveil even the deepest of the crises,it will even help the young generation to understand the depth of this whole thing,it is a must get book for me.


Edited by Mahlab'ayithwale (10/17/06 12:27 PM)
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#32603 - 10/17/06 12:45 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
Ginyambila Offline
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There is already another book (fiction) in circulation by the late Yvonne Vera (a Shona). The book is called Stone Virgins.

I am still waiting for a book written by one of the people who were directly affected as victims, ie a Ndebele person. Otherwise I will have to write one myself even though I was very young at the time!
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#32624 - 10/19/06 02:56 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ginyambila]
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Who the fu** is Brandon Michaels?

There is documented evidence that these white people supported Mugabe all the way during the genocide. Now they want to make money out of the suffering. Force this guy to donate ALL the money he gets to the victims!
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#32631 - 10/20/06 02:53 AM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Bhudaza]
Ndabezitha Offline
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Bhudaza yikho singaphumeleli njenge sizwe sakoMThwakazi.... IGukurahundi ibuyile yedlula labafowethu kodwa akekho ngitsho loyedwa wenu ohlale phasi wabhala ugwalo..Belilokhe lilindele O Sigogo labo Phathisa benu.....nango ujaha wabantu uselubhalile wena u usu thethisa...at least he had the balls to write about that which you had never dread speak openly about besides in this forum.

Read the book first before spitting fire like Enos Nkala during his days as Mugabe's minister.
i have read the book and its worth every penny that i spent, my children will know about the evil monster Robert mugabe.


Edited by Ndabezitha (10/20/06 02:55 AM)
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#32633 - 10/20/06 03:12 AM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
Bhudaza Offline
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Kuzanginceda ngani okulibhuku komlungu lokhu osekulotshiwe?

Thina abanye sazibonela ngamehlo njalo ngiyaphinda futhi abelungu babevumelana laye uMugabe, that my friend is well documented.

Ngubani yenalo njalo wayengaphi ngaleso sikhathi? Ubethuleleni konke lokhu? Uyamazi? Ungasipha imbali yakhe njengoba usazi konke ngaye?
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#32634 - 10/20/06 06:19 AM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Bhudaza]
Ndabezitha Offline
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ngaphandle okuthi ubethule lina elizith i linga mavictims e Gukurahundi belithuleleni isikhathi sonke lesi... konke lenkokheli zenu o Dabengwa, John Nkomo, Msika, Joshua Nkomo, Mabhena, Lesabe, etc khakho loyedwa okewavula umlomo. Amakhiwa avumelana laye lani maNdebee kathwakazi lavumelana laye bangaki ababethengisa abakibo......

Dont do prove the ZANU adage that we always complain but do nt have te balls to do anything about it. now this guy has given us the book about the genocide... The question is what do you want to do about the genocide.. you want it to remain as oral TRadition just like the History of Mzilikazi and Lobengula nad the Mthwakazi state. Are you implying that you cant stand a fcatual historical presentation from anyone who writes about your History.... if not then give us the book on the genocide, if you cant where are your glorified Mthwakazi writers..... they are so afraid of the subject such that they cant even think of writing about it.

If you were the victim of the genocide do something about it not just to rumble on this forum.......i have read the bok and am taking action......
Asazi amagwala.
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#32636 - 10/20/06 12:47 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
Mbulawa Offline
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Registered: 03/27/04
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Loc: Joburg, SA
The person to blame for igukurahundi ngumgodoyi lezinja zakhe. Amany'amakhiwa like oPeter Godwin were representing oDabengwa laboMasuku in court at the time. I wouldn't take every (or any) white person to court over the attrocities. We're even more guilty of not doing anything after the attrocities - up to today. Ikhiwa leli lingcono, he has shown ukuthi he's concerned enough research and document.

It's none but ourselves who can help our situation. Someone offering help, o matter how small is a plus we must appreciate. Kumele sitshengisele ukuthi singabantu abale mindset yokuzenzela but appreciating when some else does what we were supposed to do for ourselves.

I'm buying the book and I'm happy if the author buys beer with the money.

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#32637 - 10/20/06 02:05 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
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Ndabezitha,

I am honestly very curious about this author. Are you going to give us more information about him or not? Kangigconi bonke abamhlophe kodwa njengoba abanengi bebengelandaba, sebekhukhuluma ngoba uMgabe sebathathela umhlaba, kimi kungcono ukuthi ngazi ngalo leli khiwa kuqala (nxa kutikuthi likhiwa, ngibona isibongo nje kuphela).

Please do not froth in the mouth in defence of an obscure white person ongakwaziyo le motive yakhe. Nxa lina belithule lilindele bona abelungu ukuthi baze belenzele speak for yourselves.

Ikhona imizamo lama report yabakwethu.

MAGGEMM (aka Mthwakazi Action Group) have written a report visit http://user.aol.com/maggemm
They certainly won't be drinking beer with money made out of our suffering.

Kukhona njalo i Gukurahundi.org. Njengoba laba nginga bazi angingeke ngitsho kumbe bayabunatha ngemali abayithola ku website yabo.

Anyone who has listened to the tape that was issued by the Mthwakazian recently will be depressed about the comments white people were making on that program. If you have not already listened to it please go to THIS ARTICLE.. And of course the irony of it is that whilst the BBC was busy reporting on the atrocities, their govt was busy knighting Mugabe. Kuyini khonokho?
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#32638 - 10/20/06 03:48 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Bhudaza]
Mbulawa Offline
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Registered: 03/27/04
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Loc: Joburg, SA
Bhudaza, nxa usithi

"Anyone who has listened to the tape that was issued by the Mthwakazian recently will be depressed about the comments white people were making on that program."

Are you saying the relevence of the above statement in this discussionu yikuthi this author is white and some other white people were saying painful thing ngathi? Or you're saying kulama indications that the guy is coming with ill-intent?

Umlungu lo if we say he's guilty because abanye bakhe abasincedisanga ngesikhathi sibulawa, umuntu olesibongo sakoNkala ke sizakuthini ngaye?

Nxa isono sakhe kuyikuthi ukhulumeleni namhla then who among us kumbe in the whole world ngaphandle kukambhishop'uNcube and a few others can come up with some action and not be accused then of only acting now after all these years?

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#32639 - 10/20/06 04:07 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Mbulawa]
Bhudaza Offline
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Mbulawa,

Nxa ungazi lutho ngomlobi thula. Mina ngidinga ukwazi ngomlobi lembali yakhe. I am entitled to be sceptical and have stated my reasons. Angisoze ngithanda ukube ngiziphinda njenge record ele scratch! Indaba le yokubulawa kwabantu kakusiyo yokudlala!
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#32640 - 10/20/06 05:15 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Bhudaza]
Mbulawa Offline
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Registered: 03/27/04
Posts: 167
Loc: Joburg, SA
kulungile ke, ungasaziphindi.

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#32669 - 10/24/06 10:35 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
Gabazi Offline

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Originally Posted By: Ndabezitha

i have read the book and its worth every penny that i spent, my children will know about the evil monster Robert mugabe.


Ndabezitha,

Ungasiza jaha usibhelele i Review if u r in a position to do so?

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#32678 - 10/25/06 05:14 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Gabazi]
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Registered: 10/09/06
Posts: 1
Loc: Johannesburg , South Africa
Madoda'kithi,

Indaba le yindaba inenhlungu ezinengi ezingaka phumeli ngaphandle. Kwesinye isikhathi kuyakekufuneke abantu babhodle kancane bengakabhekani naloludaba. I wouldn't go as far calling esikaMtwakazi amagwala but rather we are a rational lot and we understand the issue of time to digest and then dealing with issues rationally. Ephekelwa embizeni madoda'kithi ivuthwa kahle.

Bengisekhaya recently and I punted the idea of an independent isizwe sikaMthwakazi and believe you me the people are ready. When we finally make that step unexpectadly will bring all those tryrants and murderers to book. Icala kaliboli and we will deal with them, their kith and kin until justice prevails. Lingaphel'umoya. Inkululeko isisondele.

I will leave you with a saying from one Victor Hugo

"Nothing, not at all the arms of the world can stop an idea whose time has come"

EsikaMthwakazi sesifikile..

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#32723 - 11/03/06 05:22 PM Re: IZIGIGABA ZEMPI [Re: Mahlab'ayithwale]
denzil ncube Offline
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Registered: 10/29/06
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Loc: gauteng
this is the most interesting book mfana wami i`m also looking for the book on the internet but i cant find it. i will only be happy if i get my own copy. i once read the book soon after my o level exams but some of the pages were not there. but its an interesting book also sad on the other side `ngakubona ukufa ngakuthanda ngakwamukela ngazo zonke izandla zombili ngakuzonda ukuphila`.


Edited by denzil ncube (11/03/06 05:24 PM)

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#32731 - 11/05/06 05:40 PM Re: IZIGIGABA ZEMPI [Re: denzil ncube]
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Ekuhle Mthwakazi omhle,

Ngiyalibulisa mazinyane esilo, ngilifisela amandla aphindiweyo emizameni yokuzikhulula ejogweni lomgonondo.

Ngicela ukuliphakela okuzimvuthu nje okhu, bakithi. Ogwalweni olungcwele sihlangana loNkulunkulu ephendula induku kaMosi isiba yinkalakatha yenyoka engumaginya ezinye eginyaginya inyokana zezanuse zaseGibithe. Sihlangana layo njalo linduku ngasenkangala isetshenziswa ukuphehla umthombo wamanzi ompophoma ukuphila. Indukunye nganxanye ihasa ukufa nganxanye ihase impilo.

Ngithini ya, asingalahlekelwa ngumbono bakwethu sigijimisana lemifasimbi, asisebenziseni amaxesha kunye nezikhali esinazo lezisiwelayo ohambeni lwethu lokufuna uzibuse. Mina mselufu ngithi itshabi nxa lingaze liphambanise lingiwisele isikhali sokwethula umgonondo ogatsheni lobukhosi ngizaqala ngethule umgonondo besenginxapha ngaleso sikhali sengiwethule umgonondo.

Kodwa njalo nje lowo lalowo wenza akwanelisayo bakithi.

Ayihlome ihlale ihlomile ekaNdaba.
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#32733 - 11/05/06 05:44 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
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Zihlobo,

Ngixoleleni bakithi ubukhehla sobungigabhele bengisafunda ukusebenzisa lesisigungu sethu esitsha.

Mfoka D Ncube ungixolele bengingaqondisanga uvo lwami kuwe kuphela kodwa kuwowonke amazinyane esilo aphatheke kule ingxoxo.

Ngibonge bandla.
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#32814 - 11/12/06 01:36 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Bhudaza]
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[quote=Bhudaza]
Kuzanginceda ngani okulibhuku komlungu lokhu osekulotshiwe?

Thina abanye sazibonela ngamehlo njalo ngiyaphinda futhi abelungu babevumelana laye uMugabe, that my friend is well documented.

[b]Isilahleka ke khathesi indaba. Bala ibhuku leli, nxa kulamaphupha uthintane lomlobi uqondise njengoba wawukhona Kwenziwa njalo, uqalobone ukuthi umuntu uthini, ukhangele lokuthi nxa engasiyo wakhona into ayikhulumay wayithatha ngaphi. Asiphiwannga sonke ukubhala, yikho singalwa lalaba ababhalayo kuzafanana lendaba yeZIPRA. Akulalutho olulotshiweyo ngayo kodwa iZANLA igcwele. Bangafa ababekuyo abantwabethu bazakhula besazi ukuthi ilizwe lalwelwa yiZANU kuphela. Ukunye kwenziwa yikuthi sonke simelele oDabengwa labo zibanibani ababesempini ukuthi babhale. Kanti owathi ukubaphakathi kwento kunika wena wedwa igunya lokubhala ngubani? UMthwakazi esakhile wayesithi kusinwa kudedelwana.
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#32902 - 11/22/06 02:37 PM Re: A Book on Gukurahundi finally [Re: Ndabezitha]
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ngazihambela ningangixoshanga sengizile njalo. ngithanda ukuthi ngithi fahlafahla kancane ngogwalo luka michael brandon u'echoes from the grave'. akukho ndingeko yokuthi sazi ukuthi umaloba ugwalo ngubani. okuqakathekileyo ngokumunyethwe yilolo gwalo. ngithemba nonke apha niyizifundiswa kanjalo niyazi ukuthi abaloba ngezombangazwe bavame ukufihla amagama abo oqotho, kangako bangazibiza langaliphi igama, elesilungu, elesintu njll. ekulubaleni kwami lolugwalo ngibambisisise ukuthi umlobi ngumuthwa qho, kodwa eloba ngesilungu ukuze athole ibandla elibanzi elizofunda lologwalo, kangako usebenzise igama lesilungu nje (sizwa kuthiwa kokhwini akutsho lutho lokhu ngoba nje igama yigama qha) ukuze asuse umkhondo kubathwa abangakhangeleka belobandlululo. ngezinye indlela ofunda ugwalo lolu ulufunda ecabanga ukuthi lulotshwe ngumlungu kodwa nxa ungumuthwa uhle nje wazi uzizwele ukuthi ulimi ngolwethu langabe luzwakala luyisilungu. inkinga encane nje engibe layo yikuthi lugcwele izimpambaniso ezincane (lina zifundiswa likubiza ama'typos') okukhomba ukuba umhleli kawenzanga kakuhle umsebenzi. ngibambe njalo ukuthi umlobi ugxile kakhulukazi encwadini yabetshabi yobandlululo (grand plan circa 2000 lo 1979). lokhu kusuke kwahlanhlatha kwabalekela isihloko sogwalo ebesidinga ukugxila kakhulukazi ekubulaweni kwezihlobo zethu hatshi emaswini lemaqhingeni abesetshenziswa kumbe asetshenziswa ngabafo. lokhu kubangele ukuthi ekuqaleni ngiphose ngaficanise sengathi umlobi uvivinya lolo gwalo lwabafo. bekulendingeko ke ukuthi andise ngezokufa kwabakithi bebulawa yilabo bafo. ngaphandle kwalokhu ngithi akatshayelwe ihlombe umlobi ngokwengeza ilizwi lakhe esililweni sikamthwakazi. asincediseni abalezibindi njalo belokutshiseka ukukhulula isizwe hatshi ukubapatshazela emdulini okentwala. ngisahambile njalo ngizoza.
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