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#3267 - 04/03/06 07:36 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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#3270 - 05/08/06 03:58 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Zuma Found Not Guilty y Manoah Esipisu and Rebecca Harrison JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - A South African judge on Monday acquitted former Deputy President Jacob Zuma on charges he raped an HIV-positive family friend, keeping alive the political hopes of a man until recently seen as the country's next president. "I find that consensual sex took place between the complainant and the accused," Judge Willem van der Merwe told a packed courtroom as more than 2,000 Zuma supporters massed outside the Johannesburg courthouse exploded in wild cheers. Zuma's rape trial has fanned tensions in the ruling African National Congress (ANC), where he remains a widely popular figure and was until recently seen as the frontrunner to succeed President Thabo Mbeki in 2009. Despite his broad appeal, political analysts say he has been badly wounded by the rape trial. The 64-year-old anti-apartheid veteran had pleaded not guilty to raping his accuser at his Johannesburg home last November. But his lawyers said he did have consensual sex with the woman, a 31-year-old AIDS activist. Conviction for rape could have brought a jail sentence of up to 15 years. Van der Merwe, who under South Africa's non-jury trial system decided the case, said the state had failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zuma had intended rape, and questioned the credibility of the complainant. "It would be foolish for any man with a police guard at hand and his daughter not far away to surprise a sleeping woman and to start raping her without knowing whether she would shout the roof off," he said. The rape trial, the most sensational case in South Africa since the end of white rule in 1994, has transfixed the public with graphic sexual testimony and rival protests by Zuma supporters and women's rights groups. Defence lawyers sought to undermine the credibility of the accuser -- who under South African law cannot be named -- by delving into her sexual history and depicting her relationship with Zuma as flirtatious. Zuma, an ethnic Zulu, was hit with the rape charge following a separate graft scandal last year which prompted Mbeki to sack him as the country's second-highest official. He is due to go on trial in July on the corruption charges, which he has denied and described as part of a shadowy political plot by his enemies in the ANC to end his presidential hopes. Political analysts said the rape case has done serious political damage to Zuma, particularly because he conceded that he had unprotected sex with the woman despite knowing that she was infected with HIV. AIDS activists criticised Zuma -- who said he took a shower to prevent possible HIV infection -- as spreading misinformation about the disease in South Africa. The country is at the heart of Africa's HIV/AIDS pandemic with some 5 million of its 45 million people infected. But Zuma supporters remained undaunted, a sign of the power of his folksy grassroots appeal when contrasted with the chillier technocratic image often projected by Mbeki. "He is our hero we're going to support Zuma until he becomes president," said Patrick Seiphalo, who along with other cheering Zuma supporters thronged through central Johannesburg after the verdict.
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#3272 - 05/08/06 04:21 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
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Kumele sivume njalo sihloniphe i verdict ka mahluli kodwa u Zuma kakhohlwe ngokuba yinkokheli. He's damaged (literally) goods bakwethu, indaba le iveze okunengi ngaye okumenza angafanele ukuba yinkokheli.
Kaye joyina abo Tokyo labo Cyril kwi ma boardroom nje, atshiye ipolitiki.
Ibambeni, lingay'yeki. Sebenza!!
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#3273 - 05/08/06 04:28 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Registered: 10/14/03
Posts: 126
Loc: Emlageni, eShamba
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ihlabene insizwa endala,kodwa khona beyixega indaba yalentombazana! Hhayi ke kumele ayohlabela amadlozi okaMsholozi ngoba ucishe waba yinhlekisa.Cabanga ngenkulumo ezinje: 'Zuma conceded he had sex with the complainant but maintained it was consensual. But his argument that under Zulu culture a man could not walk away from a woman who was sexually aroused drew hackles even from some of his fellow Zulu.' nalena:'In particular, Zuma's testimony that he had a shower after sex to minimise his chances of infection caused outrage among campaigners in the country with the highest HIV/Aids caseload in the world. Even some of his sympathisers began questioning his judgment and, by implication, fitness for leadership. http://www.sabcnews.com/south_africa/crime1justice/0,2172,127022,00.html Woza July liphele nalo lelo cala lokukhwabanisa! woza 2007 congress udle umhlanganiso ube ngummongameli weANC.
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#3274 - 05/08/06 07:40 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Registered: 01/11/06
Posts: 156
Loc: Ebunandini
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what ever the verdict is, Zuma will be remembered as a national disgrace.
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#3276 - 05/09/06 12:08 AM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Registered: 04/09/06
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Loc: blair-dale
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am selling a masterpiece fairytale novel entitled 'OF ZUMA,KANGAS, AND A QUICK SHOWER' anyone interested?
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#3277 - 05/09/06 12:13 AM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Registered: 02/10/04
Posts: 101
Loc: ENqameni
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This is gud news ngithemba leqhwawe uTshaka litshibilikile elibeni lalo laveza elomhlathi. uJakhobe sekuvelile ukuthi umsulwa.singakhohlwa ukuthi amaXHOSA ngamashona e Goli.they were trying to buy time and try and fabricate more "evidence" for his "corruption" case ngoba vele lakho kalacala.uThabo is still using the old dirty tricks,same as the boer governments and his boyfriend urobert no matter what, the good always prevails over evil.now the state spent lots of money in a fake case kulokuthi bakhele abantu izindlu lokhu sibona ama South Afros elala emkhukhwini.Asivuleni amehlo singa bi sihlazi zezimbagwe amatemba..Viva Zuma,..next uzezwa ukuthiwa uZuma selama dissidents 
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#3278 - 05/09/06 12:28 AM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 04/09/06
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Loc: blair-dale
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bakwethu, just out of interest ngizacela abalolwazi ngezamagqwetha lingahlulele lumbuzo. how competant are the state prosecutors? am looking at this from the view point eyokuthi uzuma am told had a strong team of five gud lawyers. kambe nga befana laboprosecutor who usually represent the state in zim. umnu zuma wld hav gone free uma nga someone like advocate Bizos had been the state prosecutor? sizani bo
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#3280 - 05/09/06 12:31 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Loc: I've never been to Heaven
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Siyazi ngoku ngcola kwe politiki yase "Zimbabwe." Ingcole to a point yokuthi akusa mangalisi if inkokheli zihamba zilalana nama ntombazane, ziseba and zidakwa izwe lonke - seku 'normal' lokho - sekuvumakala as part & parcel of ipolitiki yakhona. Bese ukhangela in the West. Public office lapho iza lama standards and codes of behaviour okumele umuntu awaphakamise otherwise ithetsho liyaphela.
If sifisa kutshintsha izinto e Africa, we must insist on men and women leaders who are of high quality and integrity. Omama nabo baba who will uphold high moral standards hayi to 'normalise' abhorrent behaviour, especially ngezikhathi ze ngculaza le esiqed' izizwe.
Ikhehla uJacob Zuma fails on all counts and akukho 'normalisation' attempt engamenza afanele isihlalo esikhulu.
Ibambeni, lingay'yeki. Sebenza!!
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#3281 - 05/10/06 09:18 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/11/06
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Loc: Ebunandini
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Ke ngibuze kulomfowethu othi amaXhosa ngamashona egoli ukuthi ukutsho ngasizathu bani lokhu. Mina ngiyala li ideology yakho baba ngoba to me amaXhosa lama Zulu ngikufanisa lamaNdebele lamaKhalanga kwelikaMthwakazi. Ama Shona kungaba ngama peli ngoba ingqondo zabo ziyafana.
Ngaleyi ideology yakho yokuthi amaXhosa ngama Shona so singathi uZuma ngumthengisi ngoba wajoyina amaXhosa ngoba udla labo etshiya oGatsha...hatshi bo ayisikho, njalo kayihlangani. Oka Zuma uziyangisile njalo uyangisise isizwe sikaZulu sonke lomndeni wakubo ngokuthanda kwakhe inyoni engumuntu omdala, no wonder uNkosazana wamdivosa uthanda izinto umdalalowana. Who in their right mind engu Deputy President wesizwe can believe ukuba ungalala lentombi elengculaza uqede lapha uyesula ngamanzi ngeke ungenwe yilelo gciwane? Yisiwula nje esingabhiliva lumbhedo kaJakhobe bantu.
Linto enziwe ngokaZuma ayincomeki lakancane iluhlazo kakhulu. Manengi amaZulu asebandleni le ANC who are capable of doing better and being proper role models than Zuma.
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#3284 - 05/11/06 01:10 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/11/06
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Loc: Ebunandini
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Uqedile Bhudaza awekho angadlula lapho. Leso sigwebo sibuhlungu kakhulu uma uzidingele njengoZuma.
Lelicala likaZuma has highlighted ububhinya bamadoda kwelaseNingizimu Africa abakwenza ebafazini ngokubadlwengula , getting away with murder ngoba bengozibanibani.
In a country where in each province nearly 800 people die each week of Aids related illnesses, a woman is raped every 3 seconds, uyebona lo obenguuMsekeli kaMongameli weSizwe dancing and rejoicing after sleeping with an infected person is cause for concern.
Very soon Zuma will be one of the High profile Aids activist ngoba esegula, thats when people will realise ukubana Akuqili lazikhotha emhlane!
Edited by Makhelwana (05/11/06 01:13 PM)
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#3287 - 05/12/06 03:47 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/11/06
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Mabila. Commentators aproximate as nearly 800 deaths per week in each province caused by HIV and Aids realated illnesses though they do not specify the exact figure. Below are details of one study done some year ago. Ngisasokudingela the ecxact copy of the one where they estimate about 800 deaths as i wrote above. One should bear in mind that it is now a norm of rich countries to hide information about pandemics in their countries for economic reasons. They then bring down figures to send a messege that they are in control of the situation when infact they are not, and it is the odinary people who are feeling the heat who tell you how many funerals they handle per day.. Quote:
Studies of AIDS deaths All reported deaths In February 2005, the South African government and Statistics South Africa published the report "Mortality and causes of death in South Africa, 1997-2003". This large document contains lists of how many people died from each cause over a six year period, according to death notification forms.
The government's report reveals that the annual number of registered deaths rose by a massive 57% between 1997 and 2002. Among those aged 25-49 years, the rise was 116% in the same six year period. Part of the overall increase is due to population growth and more complete reporting of deaths. However, this does not explain the substantial rise in the proportion of deaths occurring among persons aged 25 to 49 years. In 1997, people in this age group accounted for 23% of all deaths, but in 2003 they made up 34%.
Reported deaths from all causes, 1997 to 2002 Year of death Age (years) Total 0-14 15-24 25-49 50+ Unspecified 1997 40,495 19,831 92,479 159,731 5,571 318,287 1998 47,407 22,723 113,848 178,616 5,095 367,689 1999 46,534 24,629 129,383 178,637 2,719 381,902 2000 47,419 26,252 149,391 188,714 2,193 413,969 2001 48,954 28,026 171,942 201,127 1,887 451,936 2002 56,250 30,815 199,485 210,729 1,989 499,268 Increase 1997-2002 38.9% 55.4% 115.7% 31.9% -35.7% 56.9%
Misclassification Each year from 1997 to 2002, HIV was recorded as a cause of death in fewer than 11,000 cases. In 2001, Statistics South Africa estimated that 8.7% of deaths explicitly reflected HIV/AIDS on the death certificate. However, shortly before the government report was released, the Medical Research Council of South Africa (MRC) published an article which claims that the majority of deaths due to HIV are misclassified.
People whose deaths are caused by HIV are not killed by the virus alone, but HIV should be recorded as an underlying cause if it "initiated the chain of morbid events leading directly to death". In other words, if someone contracts tuberculosis and dies from it because their immune system has been weakened by HIV then HIV should be included among the underlying causes. The MRC article claims that in many cases, this does not happen; instead, the doctor records only the immediate cause of death such as tuberculosis or respiratory infection. This could be because the doctor does not know the deceased person's HIV status. Alternatively, they may seek to conceal HIV infection to spare stigmatisation of relatives, or to avoid invalidating life insurance claims. As The Lancet notes, authorities are largely to blame:
"Social stigma associated with HIV/AIDS, tacitly perpetuated by the Government's reluctance to bring the crisis into the open and face it head on, prevents many from speaking out about the causes of illness and deaths of loved ones and leads doctors to record uncontroversial diagnoses on death certificates.... The South African Government needs to stop being defensive and show backbone and courage to acknowledge and seriously tackle the HIV/AIDS crisis of its people."2
Edited by Makhelwana (05/12/06 03:55 PM)
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#3288 - 05/12/06 04:40 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Registered: 05/17/03
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It was great to learn that Zuma has finally been set free on this one. This is a case that leaves more questions than answers. Okokuqala I am glad this time African culture has won or at least has been respected. Blackman will always be a suspect as WRONG as we continue to be ruled by the Roman Dutch laws and not African Law.Two ukugeza kwakhe ngithemba inengi elithe labona i interview yakhe ngithemba ucacisile ukuthi kungani wageza uma evela ocansini. Lokhu obekutshiwo yi Media akusilo iqiniso, wayengagezi igciwane kodwa ubesenzela iHygien. Kungani abantu bezempilo bavela bathula zwi ngendaba yokugeza nxa uvela ocansini, kungabe kungasikuthi kuyasebenza kwesinye isikhathi. Ngiyamangala abantu abeqela phezulu begxeka uZuma yilabo abathi bazingcono ngokuthelelana nge AIDS - the so called AIDS activist. Surely we have been sucked dry by the West and they still want some more from us poor Africans. They donot want Africa to come with her solutions to limit the spread or treatment of AIDS.WHY? Because they want their multinational companies to provide us with their expensive drugs. ISA traditional healers besemtholile ubhejane abacabanga ukuthi uyanceda, mahlawumbe loMsholozi usebenzise wona yikho eHIV-. IWHO angiboni ukuthi ingakuvuma lokho. The South African constitution says you can not discriminate people on their health status so uZuma negative or positive let the povo decide. I don't see any problem for him standing in for SA presidency. Limnike umshini wakhe uZuma sibone ukuthi usiphatheleni !!
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#3289 - 05/12/06 05:45 PM
Re: Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma
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Ngqwele
Registered: 01/11/06
Posts: 156
Loc: Ebunandini
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Moyo,
Muntu omdala qhubeka ngalokho okubona kungabe kuyikho okungakusiza uma uthembele kikho akekho okwalelayo.
Kodwa nxa wena uthembele kulawa mabhonzo atshaywa ngosiyazi begoli esibona sengathi alesizingilizane ayiwona atshela abantu ukuba nxa bengabamba igciwane le HIV, bamane bangadlwengule ingane ngokwecansi bazasinda, mfowethu ngibona usenkingeni edlula uShaka.
I do not dispute or refuse ukuba izihlahla zesintu ziyelapha hatshi bo bakhona abazaziyo , siyazibona ziwenza umsebenzi sengathi 'iChane' silibona sebelithengisa selibizwa iAloe-vera. Inkinga lapha yikuba ukugeza kuka baba uZuma kobudoda bakhe ngeke busize lutho nxa wayesevele wamunya umhluzo[during climax] walowo ophethe leli gciwane, unless nxa wayekhama ekugezeni kwakhe lakho vele stand very little chance ukuhlambuluka.
Nampa siyake sibabone begeza ngemithi eminenginengi beqeda ukulalana ngokwecansi, kodwa uthola ngemva kwamalanga athize umuntu esethonta iDrop, abuye njalo esezohlatswa ngejekiseni eyiyo emsiza ukulwisana lalesisifo ngaphakathi komzimba. Ye umuntu angageza ngedubha kodwa phela muntu omdala qaphela ukuba impilo kaso ma odds amaBookies ongagembula ngayo, uyafa nxa ungazinanzeleli isikhathi singakafiki. Ukuxwayisana ngento esizayo kubalulekile ngoba uyabe usiza isizwe, kodwa njalo ungabheda uyabe ubulala isizwe futhi.
Umnu Zuma ubulala isizwe ngoba is sending the wrong Social and Medical advice yokuvikela this KILLER disease.
Edited by Makhelwana (05/12/06 05:58 PM)
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#3294 - 06/04/06 05:15 PM
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Registered: 09/13/04
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Loc: EZULWINI
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Yebo ngiyayizwa imibono yakho Dokotela kodwa abadala bathi lixhotshwa libhekile pho uthini ngalokho?
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