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#34862 - 09/21/07 09:25 AM Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi
Mbulawa Offline
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Registered: 03/27/04
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Loc: Joburg, SA
http://www.umthunywa.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=1297&cat=1

Lingibonise imihlolo! Kuthwa bengifuna ukubona ukuthi ihloka lami lisagamula yini!

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#34864 - 09/21/07 02:02 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mbulawa]
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Registered: 07/03/04
Posts: 229
Loc: Eguswini
phela laye ugogo angancitshi omunye umntwana bakithi
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#34869 - 09/22/07 12:50 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mbulawa]
nandie Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 07/27/07
Posts: 7
Loc: canada
ixhegu leli liyadelela hantsho ubabhemi kafuni hloka ufuna idazibhomu.ngabe uzame imbuzi

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#34873 - 09/23/07 04:19 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: nandie]
magandiwa Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 05/30/04
Posts: 40
Loc: usa
Kanti indaba ezimbi kangaka zivela etsholotsho kuphela. heyi nxa kuyikuthi sinje hayi sibabi.

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#34878 - 09/23/07 07:13 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: magandiwa]
Gumede Offline
Sikhulu
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Registered: 12/07/05
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Loc: East London
Yisilingo lesi zihlobo, abanemizi bayalwazi uhlupho kwezinye izinsuku omama bayala ukwendlala ingubo, ebegcina ubaba ekhumbula ngaphandle. ukhehla lo ukhumbule ubabhemu ngoba phela angeke uthole ingculazi njalo awadingi ijazi lomkwenyana.

Kodwa ekuqaleni wayebulawa umuntu ofana nekhehle leli. sikhumbule phela ukuthi emakhaya abafazi abasabonwa ubesusa iphangu kuphela. abaliyeke lelikhehlaaaaaaa
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#34925 - 09/26/07 05:17 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Gumede]
Mhlabuhlangene Offline
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Registered: 01/29/07
Posts: 35
Loc: South Africa.Johannesburg
What made a donkey sexually attractive for this old man.?

Is it the eyes, the legs , kissable lips , i reverse yomhlaba?

Strange things happen koMgodoyi?


Edited by Mhlabuhlangene (09/28/07 02:38 PM)
Edit Reason: speling mistates
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#34944 - 09/28/07 08:47 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mhlabuhlangene]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
Bantu bakaMgodoyi

And yet you've been blubbering & hollering incessantly nithi oMthwakazi are paragons, clean & holy. Nakho ke ikhehla lenu kwaNcube seli nenzele phansi. Avelile amahlazo.

Umuntu odlwengula imbongolo ngumthakathi wokugcina.

Seems all Ncubes yizi ndlavini. Immoral goons. Abathakathi. Just look at Pius. Ngama hlazo wodwa.

Disgusting stuff.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
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#34945 - 09/28/07 11:49 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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Posts: 406
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Seems all Ncubes yizi ndlavini. Immoral goons. Abathakathi. Just look at Pius. Ngama hlazo wodwa.


Uyabona ke lapha usufike ekugcineni ke Nkosilathi. Sesiza kwembula ke if ulokhu udlala kabi so.

Awukhuzeki unjani kanti?

Ibambe, ungay'yeki. Sebenza!
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#34946 - 09/28/07 12:04 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Skuvethe]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
Skuvethe

Whoever informed you ukuthi lelo gama olibizayo ngelami was shamelessly lying to you. Must have been a Ncube. And you must be a Ncube too. A case of 2 Ncubes lying to each other. Addiction to bad traits. That's the norm kwenu kwaNcube. This donkey rapist khehla lakwaNcube must be your grandfather.

Kazi kwakhala nyonini endlini yakwaNcube. Abantu abangena nembeza kanje! Abantu abanga lesabi ihlazo kanje?

Get it straight from me lopholondini: umkhulu wami uNkotheni yinsizwa yakwaShamase, inzalo yaKwaZulu. As such, there's a better chance for rain to fall in hell than for me to have Nkosilathi as my name. I'm too special a breed to have a Ndebele name. Ngakithi akekho noyedwa onegama lolimi lwenu lolo.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi


Edited by Muthwa Ncube (09/28/07 12:49 PM)
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#34949 - 09/28/07 01:53 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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Registered: 11/07/01
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Ende akakhuzeki fo shuwa lo Muntu. Isintu silegama lomuntu onje; "ihlongandlebe."

Sawubona ke Hlongandlebe hk hk.

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#34973 - 09/30/07 11:42 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Gumede]
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Registered: 06/21/07
Posts: 97
Loc: banana republic
 Originally Posted By: Gumede
Yisilingo lesi zihlobo, abanemizi bayalwazi uhlupho kwezinye izinsuku omama bayala ukwendlala ingubo, ebegcina ubaba ekhumbula ngaphandle......

Yiqiniso ngempela lelo. Omama, bakulezinsuku abafundiswanga ngezengubo ngenxa yokuguquka kwendlela yempilo zabantu. Omama mabazi ukuba umuntu wesilisa ngeke aphile engatholi leyanto! Angazi ukuba singenzani ukuba kubuyelwe emkhutsheni wokufundisa amantombazana uma sebezakuya ekwendeni!

omnyama

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#34975 - 10/01/07 11:11 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Mbulawa Offline
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Registered: 03/27/04
Posts: 167
Loc: Joburg, SA
 Originally Posted By: Muntongenakudla
Bantu bakaMgodoyi

And yet you've been blubbering & hollering incessantly nithi oMthwakazi are paragons, clean & holy. Nakho ke ikhehla lenu kwaNcube seli nenzele phansi. Avelile amahlazo.

Umuntu odlwengula imbongolo ngumthakathi wokugcina.

Seems all Ncubes yizi ndlavini. Immoral goons. Abathakathi. Just look at Pius. Ngama hlazo wodwa.

Disgusting stuff.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi


What are you smoking? May I have some?

I'm not a Ncube but I can't let this cheap diatribe go unchallenged.

Such generalisation is reckless, uncalled for and very mischievous. It tells the reader more about the writer than the Ncube's. Izigilamikhuba zigcwele yonke indawo and akula mndeni ongela silima. That's why prisons are built.

Every society has it's fair share of heroes and villains. The Ncube's like wise have produced such illustrious heroes like mayor Ndabeni Ncube, Prof Welshman, entrepreneur Trevor Ncube, legendary bosso defender Thulani Ncube (Biya) and songbird Busi Ncube.

The contribution by Muntongenakudla can only be expected from someone oyi "ndlavini" to quote from the best. Obviously the author has chosen to put his brains at work elsewhere - definitely not on this thread.

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#34976 - 10/01/07 11:14 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Mbulawa Offline
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Registered: 03/27/04
Posts: 167
Loc: Joburg, SA
 Originally Posted By: Muntongenakudla

I'm too special a breed to have a Ndebele name. Ngakithi akekho noyedwa onegama lolimi lwenu lolo.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi


I hope you have more to show for your being a "special breed" than your name.

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#34984 - 10/01/07 09:28 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mbulawa]
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 Originally Posted By: Muntongenakudla

I'm too special a breed to have a Ndebele name. Ngakithi akekho noyedwa onegama lolimi lwenu lolo.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi


Enos Nkala has a natural successor... \:\(
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#34985 - 10/01/07 09:53 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mbulawa]
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1. Wits Business School Appoints a new Director

2. Real Africa Holdings: CEO

3. Sister Bernard Ncube: Former West Rand District Municipality Executive Mayor

4. Sigananda kaZokufa

Ake sidingide izibongo zamaqhawe omlando esizweni samaZulu, mhlawumbe kukhona esingakufunda lapho. Izibongo zikhomba ukubongela into ethize ngokwakha inkondlo ngayo. Uma umuntu ebongela okuthize imizwa yakhe isuke ithintekile ngalokho akubongelayo. Abantu abaqave ngokuthile yibona abavame ukubongelwa noma ukunikwa izibongo.

USigananda kaZokufa ( ngokulandisa kukaMnuz. J.B. Hlongwane)

USigananda kwakuyinkosana kaZokufa wakwaShezi. UZokufa lona kwabe kuyisikhulu sase MaNcubeni, wayephila ngezikhathi zawoShaka, kepha yena akhe khona eNkandla.

Empeleni amaZulu ayexhumene ngandledlana thize nabaseMaNcubeni. Phela aMaNcube lawa aye ngochwepheshe ekwakheni imikhonto. Phakathi kwawo kwakunezinyanga zemikhonto ezidumile. Mhlawumbe yikho lokho okwenza ukuba uShaka ahoshelane nawo. Ubudlelwana baqhubeka njalo ngoba nangenkathi uCetshwayo engqubuzana noMbuyazwe, aMaNcube ayelekelela uSuthu. USigananda lona wathathwa njengomunye wabashokobezi abaphehla udweshu ekuvukeleni umbuso. Phela abanye kwabe kungoChakijana noBhambatha noMangati. Phela uMangati nguye lona esihlangana naye ezibongweni zikaChakijana. Wabe eyindodana kaGodide Ntuli, induna enkulu eyabekwa wuMpande.

USigananda lo kwabe kuliqhawe, wayengahlehli uma sekuliwa, ingakho nje kuthiwa:

Uziziba zibomvu,
Ophakel'izinhlanzi zingalambile,
Waphakel'izingwenya zingalambile.

Wabamba iqhaza elikhulu empini ka-1906. Ake silalele bembonga:

Umgwazi kadabuli,
Umgoq'ovimbel'amathol'amhlophe,
Obengadl'izinkob'ebhodweni,
Obedlel'esoCweni,
Undaba zafika kuqala kumfana kaSonzica.

Uziziba zibomvu,
Ophakel'izinhlanzi zingalambile,
Waphakel'izingwenya zingalambile;
Umjiyozi wophind'upheth'izihlang'ezibili,
Esinye sicitshwe uZibhebhu kwabakaMaphitha.

Uhlekis'omhlekisayo,
Usifutshana sengane yasebuphukuphukwini.
UNhliziyo yengane yasebuphukuphukwini,
Umatshuzatshuz'ozimamba.
Usehla ngendawana yakhe yedwana;
Uzilima zikaZokufa abathi zisemuva kanti ziphambili;
Usinga lwentul'umathung'isidwaba.


Ayidle izishiyele!

Ngiyabonga.
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#34988 - 10/02/07 12:18 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Ndukuzibomvu]
Skuvethe Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
Kuyabongeka Ndukuzibomvu. Kahle ngengeze ngalokhu, kweze Arts kukhona laba, buka lawa ma video;

Busi Ncube

Sello Maake Ka-Ncube

Andile Ncube

Ibambe, ungay'yeki.Zabalaza!

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#34989 - 10/02/07 02:12 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Bhudaza]
Madlenya Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 196
Loc: KwelikaMjoji
 Originally Posted By: Bhudaza
 Originally Posted By: Muntongenakudla

I'm too special a breed to have a Ndebele name. Ngakithi akekho noyedwa onegama lolimi lwenu lolo.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi


Enos Nkala has a natural successor... \:\(


Uwasho uwaphinde lamazwi akho mfowethu ngoba aqinisekile. Wayengaze abanguye yedwa uNkala ukuthi kutheni, nangu omunye uNkala sevela manje.

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#34990 - 10/02/07 04:54 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Madlenya]
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
Bantu bakaMgodoyi

I'll balance the scales. It's only fair.

List of traitors that bear the Ncube surname:

Pius Ncube
The chief goon. Gay, philanderous, AIDS infested charlatan tribalist priest that abuses izaguga nezingane. Sies amanyala!

Welshman Ncube
Nina luqobo bantu boMgodoyi nithi he is selling you out to omShoza - by virtue of his association with MDC.

Ndabeni Ncube
Isono sakhe siyefana neso Prof Ncube - ukudayisa usapho lwakini kubo mShoza.

Darlington Ncube
The guy who is vice leader of this Matebeleland party that Enos Nkala is the advisor to.

Ikhehla elidlwengule imbongolo
This bestiality must be umuthi wakubo kwaNcube. He is manifesting the worst side of ubuNcube.

Andile Ncube
In as much as uMzilankatha engumuntu, his unnatural acts zobu nkonkoni bakhe are a sad reflection on ubuNcube. Refer to Somizi Mhlongo & Katlego Danke.

Mthuli Ncube
His Insider Trading activities at Barbican are legendary. This is criminal of a man who's supposed to be an eminent financial guru.

Sello Maake kaNcube
His philanderous ways are legendary. Izingane zakhe zithe chithisaka iGoli lingaka. Kunjalo, akakhokhi ne papgeld!

Trevor Ncube
His 3rd way fiasco, fraternising no Prof Jonathan njalo njalo. He is doing you down njengo Mthwakazi.

Busi Ncube
Loyo ke angikhulumi ngaye. Akana talent, akwaziyo wuku qwayiza namaShona eHarare. Sies man, wumqwayizi lona mani!

Lovemore Ncube
Umfana wama cimbi ekhanda sold out kwiBosso yenu by joining Dynamos. Is that principled behaviour?

Biya Ncube
He held iBosso yenu to ransom every end of season, demanding more money & threatening to join Dynamos. Suffice to say that he was exposed for the upstart that he was eKapa. All I can remember him for is ukugijima sengathi usindwa ngamadolo, always chasing after strikers sebeyo shaya amanqaku. He failed totally at iKamva (Ajax Cape Town). He is a flop - untalented athlete. He deserves uku shidaba izaguga eMelika.

On a personal level, I've had bad experiences ngabantu bakwaNcube. Omunye nje usanda kunge nzela umhlola enginga kaze ngahlangana nawo selokhu ngazalwa. Could this be a coincidence? I don't think so. I think there's something about being a Ncube to all these ills. Even Mgodoyi himself once alluded to ubundlavini associated naleso sibongo. Trevor & Pius were in the thick of things lapho.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi



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#34991 - 10/02/07 05:12 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Skuvethe Offline
Nduna

Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
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Nkosilathi, bngingazi usungu somlomo wendlu yakwa Ncube. Kunjalo-nje;

Ibambe, ungay'yeki. Zabalaza!
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#34992 - 10/02/07 05:41 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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Muntongenakudla:

Sir, please allow me to comment on your comments; my comments are not meant to cast any shadows of doubt on your personal experiences, but rather to gently extrapolate some of your insinuations, which I gather are based on a significantly small (measure zero?) sample/experimental space, to their logical conclusions. First, let me ask: what do you know about "proof/negation-by-counterexample"? I'm neither a champion of obscurantism nor a writer of good fiction, so please kindly allow me to publicly explore your logic and to ask questions when/if questions do arise in my mind. I'm hoping that this, Sir, is not too much to ask for. In the realm of probability theory, it is well-known that making such precise statements (as you are making) about the truth or untruth of an event [probabilistic event] is somehow correlated with the size of the experimental/statistical sample space. In other words, the more precise a probabilistic statement is, the larger the sample space upon which said statement is based. Note that the converse of the preceding statement is also valid. For instance, if it rains heavily in Mtubatuba during the months of November, December, and January in the years 2008-2009, one can not then infer that "Mtubatuba is always wet in November, December, and January", the reason being that the sample space is too small to allow you to make such a strong statement. Your "typical" ensemble is way too short [in the sense of time histories] to permit you to make any meaningful averaging. In any case, averaging itself is tricky; it can, unfortunately, suppress/ignore some very important/salient features of certain types of data. In a way, averaging is like a gigantic sledge hammer in some situations. What type of averaging, if any, are you performing in order to reach the very strong conclusions that you are posting on this board? You might also want to justify the averaging mechanism that you are employing in your study/analysis, lest your results be construed by the generality of the literate public as mere hot air/propaganda/hate speech/bigotry/ignorance. Also,keep in mind that within each and every given sample space, there's always an element of variability and nonlinearity. Natural data is nonlinear and is often corrupted by noise (you must de-noise your data first, before performing any kind of analysis....and especially before making any sort of projections!), anyone attempting to draw straight lines to connect natural data points is going to have a lot of trouble, namely: a preponderance of errors. The truth of the matter is that we live in a nonlinear universe. Linear regression, Sir, simply doesn't cut it in the real world. It is, quite simply, a waste of precious time. One of the hallowed themes in data/signal analysis is: "let the data speak for itself"...this dictum is respected by probabilists and statisticians alike (and by all reputable scientists), and rightly so. Another well-known dictum in processing data is the following: "Garbage in, garbage out" (GIGO, in short), hence the criticality of de-noising and the practice of sampling etiquette. Speculation [read: wild projections of data] is not Science (indeed, some might even go as far as saying that speculation is voodoo/pseudo science; even an average junior kindergarten infant will tell you that); would you not agree, Sir? Propaganda has never been scientific, and it is not about to become scientific today or in the foreseeable future. Pabulum is too bland for the average person's taste; let us have real intellectual nourishment. Let us not insult the sensibilities of the many silent international visitors to this Afrikan website, lest they start making wild conjectures [and rightly so] about certain things that are best left unsaid. Whatever happened to that notion of "Ubuntu" that Afrikans the world over seem to pride themselves in, or is that simply one of those many defunct Afrikan concepts? I refuse to believe that we, collectively, have reached the nadir of our reasoning capacity.

My final question to you, Sir, is the following: what's your take on the following "logical" statements?:

1. Since the majority of convicted felons in US prisons are minorities, it follows, therefore, that minorities have a propensity of turning criminal; it's in their genes.

2. Since the majority of convicted felons in South African jails are Black men, it follows, therefore, that all Black men are genetically-predisposed to a criminal life.

3. Since there are a "lot" of homicide cases in the South African province of KZN, and since the said province is predominantly Zulu-speaking, it follows, therefore, that all Zulu-speaking humans must be genetically-coded to commit such crimes.

Finally: Scientific experimental results are "verifiable" [by somebody else, other than yourself!]. This means that they are reproducible. That is the benchmark of Science, and that is certainly what separates Science from Voodoo. Now, would you care to prove, beyond any shadow of doubt that your results/conclusions are verifiable? Justification of absurdities (or any feeble attempt to peddle falsehoods) will not work, has not worked, and will never work in the civilised/enlightened/rational world (thankfully). There's no room for snake-oil salesmen in Science, fortunately. Real Science is not subjective, Sir.

Ngiyabonga.
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#34993 - 10/02/07 07:47 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Ndukuzibomvu]
Sgero Offline
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Registered: 05/31/04
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Loc: United Kingdom
Lapha sekufuneka i SPSS for analysis sibili, kukhanglwe lama outliers!!
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#34994 - 10/02/07 09:00 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Sgero]
Dingelinjani Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 02/26/06
Posts: 2
Loc: Ekhaya
Abanye badlula zisengwa bathi sebephenduka belambile basenga lezimithileyo.

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#34995 - 10/03/07 08:32 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Dingelinjani]
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
Skuvethe
Kanti awuzwa unjani? Udakiwe noma unani? Stop giving me names that are not mine. Mina nawe asazani futhi ngeke size sazane in this life.

Musa ukungi biza ngegama elingelona elami. Mina ngina magama amabili. Lawo magama ngawaqanjwa wumkhulu wami uNkotheni. Lawo magama awesiZulu. No one in my family has a Ndebele name. Whoever tells you that I'm Nkosilathi, uya qagela loyo lopholo. It's a squalid allegation. Trying to convert my family into amaNdebele - a gross insult to izinyanya zakwaNkwali.

Umkhulu wami uNkotheni must be turning in his grave uma ezwa ngibizwa ngegama lasemzini! Yesssess!

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
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#34996 - 10/03/07 01:44 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 196
Loc: KwelikaMjoji
Nkwali yenkosi

I think you are missing some points here through over generalisation. Whoever said that all Shonas are bad and all Mthwakazians bad? I don't think that this statement has any element of the truth in it. The thing is Shonas as a group are oppressing Mthwakazi as a group. Discrimination or oppression could be divided into three categories, that is the personal, cultural and the structural. You are only concentrating on the Personal level and ignoring the structural effects that affect Mthwakazi through written and unwritten Shona government policies. Look in all democratic societies leaders are chosen based solely on meritocracy, but today it is by consensus that no Ndebele should ever be a Zimbabwean president. This is because of the evil culture that has taken root in that country solely based on tribalistic politics. As Mthwakazi, we scanned the environment and concluded that it is not the normal situation and it must never be left to exist that way, thus hence Mthwakazi wants to opt out of that God-forsaken.

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#34997 - 10/03/07 02:53 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Madlenya]
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Madlenya

If ever anyone is guilty of overgeneralisation, then it's you.

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Uthi ene:
The thing is Shonas as a group are oppressing Mthwakazi as a group.


This is generalisation at its best. Uhulumeni wezwe lakho loMgodoyi is ZANU PF led. I-ZANU yiyona eze nama policies that, as you allege,ayani cakafula. Akuwona amaShona as a group anicakafulayo. Cha. Not all Shonas are ZANU PF supporters. Besides, ZANU PF itself has abantu bakini abayizi tatanyiswa. Abasunguli beZANU PF included owesizwe sakini, uEnos Nkala. Ngokunjalo, namhlanje nayizolo, baningi abakini abavotela iZANU - abafunga ngayo. As such, uma kukhona ukucakafulwa kwesizwe sakini ebuNdebele, then kusengenzeka nicakafulwa abakini. Nizenzela phansi kwanina luqobo.

Ethnocentric politics is not a phenomenon limited solely to izwe lakini loMgodoyi. All over the world, politics is largely centred on ubuzwe no buhlanga. Yingakho uthola izigemegeme ezifana njengabo Darfur no Rwanda genocide. Akekho ongaku shintsha lokhu. That ethnocentric politics is the in-thing is proven by you guys agitating for secession kulesi sigungu. You want to secede because you're tribalists to the bargain. You just can't tolerate ukuphila namaShona. Which is sick.

The best way forward is drafting of national constitutions with checks & balances to protect minority rights. This is the age of reason. Globalisation makes it a necessity ukuthi nihlale ndawonye, kunga khathalekile ukuthi niyi ngxubevange yezi nhlanganhlanga, izizwe nezizwana.

Secession is bunk. Those that dream of it are just plain tribalists. Injulamqondo (philosophy) yabo ngeze polotiki iyefana ncamashi nekaMgodoyi. Which is why mina Nkwali yenkosi will always say: people get the government they deserve.

Ngoba niya cwasa, uMgodoyi ufanelekile anibuse kude acwante. Ekucwanteni koMgodoyi, kongena elinye iShona, nalo lini cakafule, linenzele phansi ebese liyacwanta nalo. Kungene elinye futhi iShona elingu mcakafuli. Koqhubeka lokhu till Kingdom come. Why? Coz you deserve it.

Interestingly, there's a what's-his-name Ncube goon in Gwanda who is ZANU PF MP for the area. This idiot was a dissident, then he converted to ZANU PF. At one stage he was leading packs of war vet goons to harass abantu bakini into supporting ZANU PF. Unprincipled behaviour. Criminal mindset. Yet another example of something terribly wrong ngobuNcube. Cha ngeke madoda.

P/S: Madlenya, ubofunda ukubonga mbhemu. Ngikuthumela imininingwane oyicelile kwi private message, usuya thula, awubongi. Kanti wakhula kanjani?

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#34998 - 10/03/07 03:26 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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Ngizokuphendula kulokhu okubhale ngaphezulu nsizwa yakithi, kodwa okwamanje ithi ngigijime ngihlanganise izinto kancane.
Angiyibonanga imininingwane ongithumele yona, ungabe uyithumele kuphi ndoda yamadoda.
It is nice having an objective and civil debate with you, let us not allow it to degenerate. We will have toe to toe exchanges on this one, we will see ukuthi kowela kuphi induku noxakuxaku.

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#35000 - 10/03/07 06:12 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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This is generalisation at its best. Uhulumeni wezwe lakho loMgodoyi is ZANU PF led. I-ZANU yiyona eze nama policies that, as you allege,ayani cakafula. Akuwona amaShona as a group anicakafulayo. Cha. Not all Shonas are ZANU PF supporters. Besides, ZANU PF itself has abantu bakini abayizi tatanyiswa. Abasunguli beZANU PF included owesizwe sakini, uEnos Nkala. Ngokunjalo, namhlanje nayizolo, baningi abakini abavotela iZANU - abafunga ngayo. As such, uma kukhona ukucakafulwa kwesizwe sakini ebuNdebele, then kusengenzeka nicakafulwa abakini. Nizenzela phansi kwanina luqobo.


Where on that statement did i say all Shonas?, nonetheless it is only wishful thinking for anyone to think that the Mthwakazi element in ZANU PF can play any pivotal role in the greater scheme of things in that country. They are just as caged as me and you. They are useless and can not do anything, look even now when stakes are very high inthe succession saga, they are nowhere to be seen, some will even want to side with Mjuru instead of strategically aligning themselves. Let us not talk of slaves, they do not believe that Mugabe's days are numbered now, either through natural means or planned and managed exit.



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Ethnocentric politics is not a phenomenon limited solely to izwe lakini loMgodoyi. All over the world, politics is largely centred on ubuzwe no buhlanga.

Yes, i agree with you here, even in developed nations like Britain that still remains to true. This vindicates some of us who always advocated for a Mthwakazi driven solution to our problems. No Shona will descend from Harare and solve our problems for us, lapho ngiyala. Thanks for you vivid observation.

Yingakho uthola izigemegeme ezifana njengabo Darfur no Rwanda genocide. Akekho ongaku shintsha lokhu. That ethnocentric politics is the in-thing is proven by you guys agitating for secession kulesi sigungu.
Ethnocentricism has got absolutely nothing to do with catastrophies in those nations. In your well considered views, do you think that Shonas would commit genocide against themselves? or any other nation for that many? The answer is no, social injustices, such as marginalisation, nepotism, tribalism, are root cause of such calamities. Let us please have a proper diagnosis so that we could apply proper solutions to our problems.

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You want to secede because you're tribalists to the bargain. You just can't tolerate ukuphila namaShona. Which is sick.

I am happy that you have made an accurate observation once more, that as Mthwakazians we must secede at what ever cost. Come fire come rain, secession is the one and only answer, our one and only darling. I know how you define tribalism and i gree with your contextual definition, but let it be known that we are not tribalists and never shall be. We love Shona people and some of us are even married to them, we love them. So how do you claim that we hate them? How do you claim that we don't want to live with them? Politics is not about living with others or not living with them, in our case, the best way of creating working relations with our Shona counter-parts will be through seperate and independent states: i.e. MTHWAKAZI and ZIMBAGWE. This is the only way we could live peacefully with them, evry nation has a right for self determination, to decide its own destiny, its own future, be it a bright future or otherwise. We are not going to change from our course just beacuse they label us tribalists.

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The best way forward is drafting of national constitutions with checks & balances to protect minority rights.

Minorities are social construct, therefore we could also change that, the minority could become a majority. I am failing to see the logic behind your assertion, how could it be "the best way forward?", as it stands now, the constitution of Zimbabwe seems to be doing what you are seeking, through its policy of provincialisation, where it devolves somes token powers to some provinces, it could claim that people's local differences are taken into account. Rogue nations do not play by the rules they craft for themselves. Zimbabwe is one of the worst culprit, for a long time, many people have working under an illussion that it was a democratic state, due to this useless piece of paper called constitution. Ours is a political struggle not a legal struggle.

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This is the age of reason. Globalisation makes it a necessity ukuthi nihlale ndawonye, kunga khathalekile ukuthi niyi ngxubevange yezi nhlanganhlanga, izizwe nezizwana.

Ukuthathaphi lokhu? Could you please look at it again and tell me what you make of it. It is just an empty statement. Clearly it was not thoughtout through.

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#35011 - 10/06/07 02:39 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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Yet another episode of the now boring soap called 'ALL ABOUT MUNTONGENAKUDLA'. The main actor thrives on attention and is now an expert at diverting attention from all topics to ... wait for it... HIMSELF!

His 'Oscar' deserving perfomances have have always been evident and on display for all to see. Like our present day fame hogging celebrities, he is quick to dismiss and even insult anyone who doesnt appreciate his efforts. This self-pitying and pathetic indiviual has even started a thread thats all about... yes you guessed right, HIMSELF!

Click and enjoy :-

http://www.inkundla.net/ubbthreads7olde/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=34948

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#35015 - 10/08/07 08:20 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mthoko]
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Mthoko

You have absolutely nothing to say & add zilch value to this thread.

Just stick your tail between your legs and go take a quick nap - sounds as though you are in need of one.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
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#35023 - 10/09/07 01:48 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mthoko]
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mfanakithi
abahlanyayo abahlali esibhedlela kuphela.abanye sidla labo ,sihamba labo njalo abanye sixoxa labo.

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#35024 - 10/09/07 03:44 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: MTHIMBALI]
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Well said Mthi!
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#35029 - 10/10/07 08:01 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mthoko]
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Mthimbali

Ngempela ngivumelana nawe. Abasangene, amahlanya njenga nawe sinabo kulesi sigungu.

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eMtuba
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#35035 - 10/10/07 12:13 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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uqinisile lapho ezakudala inhlanya yizo ezazingazi ukusebenzisa ama pc,ezanamuhlanje siyawasebenzisa nje.awuboni lawe unkwanisa ukuyisebenzisa .zihlanya zanamuhla mfanakithi

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#35064 - 10/10/07 07:30 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: MTHIMBALI]
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Yes Mthimbali Hlanya Bhinya elili Shona.
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#35068 - 10/11/07 04:33 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Sgero]
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hawu lawe kanti uyakwazi ukuthi ngiyahlanya phela.iqiniso yikuthi mina ngigcono .angiso hlanya olungununtu omnyama olule chinese restuarant.angisilo ndebele elikhuluma isiphuthukezi.

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#35271 - 11/13/07 06:37 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Mbulawa]
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Mayuyu MkwanaNzi, xola jaha lezansi, ungazibulali ngoba abakwenu eTsholotsho bekhitshwa emaphephenei benze izinto eziyihlazo. Kuyatholokala umhlaba wonke jikelele lokho. Kambe udaka lwakoSodaka ungalugeza ngelux na? Emgodimasili khona wawuyodingani nxa ungumZulu. Le Dhlakapiya bakubonile, eMpanidziba bebekhala ngejubane lakho? KoMsigwana bewaziwa ulijaha elimhlophe qhwa eluluthwephu oludazanyana. Kodwa ngenxa yokuthi seweqe uNgulukukudela sewuyasola okwakwenu labakwenu. Phenduka ekhaya jaha.
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#35279 - 11/15/07 08:22 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Siphepheli]
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7095134.stm

Yiye Siphepheli akuphaule lapha mthwakazi omuhle. lona yena kungabe konakelephi kuye? kambe ibhayisikili liphetheni?
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#35282 - 11/15/07 03:38 PM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: Madlenya]
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I do not have time right now to make an elaborate and lucid treatment of this fragile topic. But I must say that to deny that we are "tribalists" is ludicrous and uninformed. All people are "tribalists" as long as they have a particular tribal inclination. To me to be a "tribalist" is a health exercise because it exhibits identity consciousness.
What people need to problematise here is the application of the term "tribalist" on the Zimbabwean geopolitical scape.
To start with, our denial of the fact that we are "tribalists" must be informed by the fact that the subtext behind the usage of this term is rather ugly-that we think of ourselves as better than others-amadoda sibili, and that the term "tribalist" originates from the colonial discourse by which all Africans in present day Zimbabwe were referred to, regardless of ethnicity, as "tribalists" meaning a group of monkeys not numbering more than twenty.
I know my argument is not coherent here but lets talk sense.

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#35294 - 11/17/07 07:24 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: ngothobane]
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And therefore, as you put it, the term in the contemporary Zim geopolitical space and discourse has garnered a new meaning altogether, so much so that the first person to mum tribalist or tribalism becomes the tribalist him/herself, never mind what they wish to convey by it. so, eventually what you get is that as a post-independence construction, the term tribalism has been frowned upon, and anyone who dares pronounce it is thought to be devoid of shame and mentally inverted. in that sense, this term has created 'monsters' and those inclined towards schisms, even though we are all aware that owing to the imperialist and colonialist projects, which I must add, have been a ressounding success across the third world, we all belong to some kind of tribe or another, and as such we are all tribal, ipso facto . but does tribal translate to tribalist? if tribal can be cast in good light, then i submit that one has to be tribalist to be tribal enough. but then again, as i have said, there are those that have whipped this term and made it subsume all sorts of negative conotations. the onus is therefore on every level headed Mthwakazian to rise above such mediocre and retrograde allusions, or is it illusions?
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#35298 - 11/18/07 12:06 AM Re: Ixhegu (76) libhinya ubabhemi [Re: ngothobane]
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We ngothobane, ndabezitha!
 Originally Posted By: ngothobane
... But I must say that to deny that we are "tribalists" is ludicrous and uninformed. All people are "tribalists" as long as they have a particular tribal inclination. To me to be a "tribalist" is a health exercise because it exhibits identity consciousness.
.......
I know my argument is not coherent here but lets talk sense.

This is a matter of usage of words and their definitions! For example, igama elithi "man" ngesilungu lingasho umuntu wesilisa kumbe abantu bonke nje, isilisa nesifazane! Igama leli elithi "tribalist" lisentshenziswa ebantwini abalenkethabetshabi, abemuka abanye amalungelo abo namagunya empilweni zabo zansukuzonke ngenxa yomhlobo wabo! Lokhu kuyimpambeko ingabe ubani okwenzayo! Ukuziqhenya ngomvela wakho akusiyonake itribalism kumbe inkethabetshabi! Okufunwa nguMthwakazi, lilungelo lakhe kuphela. Asidingi ukucindezela abanye abantu, njalo asinandaba nabo! Esikufunayo ngokwethu esakuthathelwa ngabanye abantu(AmaBritish) ngeganyavu njalo ngaphandle komthetho! We never as Mthwakazi ever gave up or gave to someone else our identity as a nation or the land that belongs to us. Labo ababusa koMthwakazi kufanele bazi ukuba igunya lokubusa koMthwakazi is illigitimate! Abavunyelwanga yithi njalo asibacelanga ukuba bakwenze lokhu. Kufanele baphume baphele ngoba akusikwabo lapha. Balayo indawo engeyabo esingenakubangisana nabo thina! Ukufuna into engeyakho akusicala! Ngakhoke, the appelation "tribalist" does not do justice to our cause!

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