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#35827 - 01/25/08 01:41 AM US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA
Mabila Offline
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\:o What does Zuma mean? Kumphunyukile na umunt'omdala?

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKWImK2wDt3tSaui61Uc6XT_hwjw


US, Europe hampering SAfrica mediation in Zimbabwe: Zuma
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DAVOS, Switzerland (AFP) — Jacob Zuma, the newly-elected head of South Africa's ruling ANC party, said Thursday that US and European interference was hindering efforts to reconcile Zimbabwe's opposition with President Robert Mugabe's government.

"The US and Europeans tell us what we need to do and tell Mugabe," Zuma told reporters on the sidelines of the annual gathering of business and political leaders in the Swiss ski resort of Davos.

"That undermines our efforts," he said, adding that the issue contained "an element of racism."

South African President Thabo Mbeki was tasked last March by fellow leaders of the Southern African Development Community with mediating between the ruling Zimbabwe African National Union - Patriotic Front (ZANU-PF) and the leaders of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change.

"Nobody is doing more to help the situation in Zimbabwe than South Africa," said Zuma, who ousted Mbeki from the helm of the ANC in a bitter leadership contest last month.

As head of the party, he is the automatic frontrunner to succeed Mbeki as head of state in 2009 despite the prospect of a corruption trial in August.

"I'm not sure I will do anything fundamentally different," he said, when asked if he would change Pretoria's policy on Zimbabwe if he becomes president.

"Maybe it would be a question of style," he added.
Zimbabwe, led by the 83-year-old Mugabe since independence in 1980, is in economic meltdown. The official annual rate of inflation is put at 8,000 percent, but economists believe it to be nearer 50,000 percent.

Unemployment is running at around 80 percent while basic foodstuffs such as cooking oil and sugar are now a scarce commodity in the one-time regional breadbasket.
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#35828 - 01/25/08 03:10 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Mabila]
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lokhu okwenziwe nguMsholozi liphutha similar to letting one off e-sitting room kulabantu abadala. apparently usuke eRSA esithi uzama ukuyadinga i-support yabosomabhizimusi eDavos. on the prospect yokuthi angase abengumongameli ngo2009 uZuma, ngithi mina kulabo abale-hope yokuthi iMzansi izathuthuka iyephambili - 'be afraid, be very afraid'
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#35830 - 01/25/08 06:26 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: vunguza]
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I am not sure what is meant by this "reconciliation with the opposition", but as for as Zuma's response to questions, the west are also liable to criticism like everybody else.

What he said does not translate to a support for Mugabe...

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#35832 - 01/25/08 07:58 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Potshoza]
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of course, of course, the west are also liable to criticism. into nje yikuthi le-article kayisacacanga ukuthi yi-interference enjani le okukhulunywa ngayo, lokuthi uMsholozi yena self uthi kuyini akunyenyezelwa yiNtshonalanga. however, don't people get the sense that what uZuma has said might have been misplaced, unless he has also assumed i-spokesmanship ye-foreign policy yaseMzansi, and especially since we thought ukuthi uMbeki, not uZuma at least, must pronounce on these things.
but then again, there is the silent diplomacy thing, which confuses the issue futher, in light of ukuthi the same Zuma is saying i-approach towards Zimbabwe will not change.

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#35834 - 01/25/08 03:10 PM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: vunguza]
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To me Msholozi is saying that he is just going to continue with the same confusion that characterised Mbeki's dealings with the Harare regime. According to Msholozi, RSA tries to do one thing, the west instructs them differently and the result is paralysis. No one is sure what the RSA government's stance is as a result.
I beleive he did not intend for his statements to come out as crude as it did though!
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#35836 - 01/25/08 03:28 PM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: vunguza]
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Bafowethu.

Ubaba u Zuma is a leader of the ANC. The ANC has policies to which he is a subscriber. The ANC is no longer a Liberation Front, but a governing Party of the South Afrikan Nation. The South Afrikan Nation belongs to a private CLUB, called the SADC. In that Private Club is a Government called Zimbabwe.

I have my own misgivings about the SADC. I therefore do not see any near solution by whoever governs South Afrika to the problems of Zimbabwe. Protocol! Protocol! Protocol!

IF ANYONE IS GOING TO HELP US AS MTHWAKAZI, THEN WE HAVE TO PROVE TO THAT PERSON WE ARE SERIOUS. AKULA SOLUTION IN ZIMBABWE. ZIHLOBO, ASIHLABELENI INGOMA YINYE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THE PEOPLE OF MTHWAKAZI TRIED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF ZIMBABWE ONLY TO FAIL DUE TO BEING FRUSTRATED BY THE ZIMBABWEANS?????

How many times should one fail before realising its not worth it afterall?

Cheat me once, shame on you. Cheat me twice, shame on me.

Vuka Mthwakazi, we have no business in Zimbabwe.

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#35866 - 01/27/08 10:55 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Mabila]
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If my sources are correct, Zuma is said to be a primary school dropout, so please don't read too much from his statements.
I sure hope that the highest position he will ever achieve is being president of ANC, not the country.

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#35878 - 01/28/08 03:40 PM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Babugagashi]
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Ekuhle.

Ngehlukane lawe kancane baba. If we judge people by their "Std of Education" than quality of leadership, let alone by "Hearsay" from sources, sizadukisa isizwe.

UMUNTU NGUMUNTU NGABANTU.

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#35887 - 01/28/08 09:26 PM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Babugagashi]
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Babugagashi

 Originally Posted By: Babugagashi
I sure hope that the highest position he will ever achieve is being president of ANC, not the country.


what do you care if Zuma becomes president of the country? its not like he will throw people down disused mines all over the witwatersrand, unlike some people we know

kunjalo-nje, uZuma, unlike umgodoyi (for all his 'personally earned' degrees) lotswangilayi (the classic antithesis of a politician), appears to have ama-advisors whose opinions matter. turns out running a country is not a strictly personal affair.

i bet people don't mention ukuthi u-Bill Gates is a college drop-out nxa bemahlulela.

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#35893 - 01/30/08 08:08 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: vunguza]
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All I was saying was that an educated nation like Zimbabwe should never pin its hopes on one very uneducated person. Some people were dissappointed by his remarks, and that by itself is an indication that they thought he would be their salvation.
The best thing a primary school dropout( or did he even attend primary school?) from South Africa can run is a Sphaza shop,not a country, PERIOD.Uzafa uMzansi simbhekile.
Sorry mnumzana if I shattered your dreams by pointing out the obvious about your role model.
Bathi akagidlanga, pho uzakhuluma njani ezombangazwe labo Obama, nanku phela kabasazi isiZulu.

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#35895 - 01/30/08 08:38 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Babugagashi]
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Your own role model mgabe is rumoured to have several degrees and some think he speaks good "queen's" English. His bastard son Gideon Gono has Doctorate. But then I suppose you are happy with the way your country is run as long as it is run by "educated" people.

 Originally Posted By: Babugagashi
All I was saying was that an educated nation like Zimbabwe should never pin its hopes on one very uneducated person. Some people were dissappointed by his remarks, and that by itself is an indication that they thought he would be their salvation.
The best thing a primary school dropout( or did he even attend primary school?) from South Africa can run is a Sphaza shop,not a country, PERIOD.Uzafa uMzansi simbhekile.
Sorry mnumzana if I shattered your dreams by pointing out the obvious about your role model.
Bathi akagidlanga, pho uzakhuluma njani ezombangazwe labo Obama, nanku phela kabasazi isiZulu.
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#35897 - 01/30/08 09:09 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Bhudaza]
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"Bhudaza
I'm not by any means saying ukuthi wonke umuntu ofundileyo can run a country. All I am saying is that wonke umuntu ongafundanga njengo Zuma can not run a country, and should never. Abamenze umVIDCO mani,nxaaa!!!!

Inja engumgaxabe labafazi bayo ogono bengabe befundile but behluleka kudala, lapho uqinisile. Akungitshele Bhudaza, yiliphi ilizwe olaziyo eluphumelelayo elilomongameli ongafundanga?

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#35898 - 01/30/08 09:58 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Babugagashi]
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 Quote:
Babugagashi]All I was saying was that an educated nation like Zimbabwe should never pin its hopes on one very uneducated person. Some people were dissappointed by his remarks, and that by itself is an indication that they thought he would be their salvation.
The best thing a primary school dropout( or did he even attend primary school?) from South Africa can run is a Sphaza shop,not a country, PERIOD.Uzafa uMzansi simbhekile.

Were you trying to say Siwubhekile instead of simbhekile. Zuma is educated even though he did not go to school, he thoroughly schooled himself, he has been in the highest echelons of the ANC leadership structure including the Intelligence and Security. He speaks very good English, he is quite clear about important issues.
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Sorry mnumzana if I shattered your dreams by pointing out the obvious about your role model.
Bathi akagidlanga, pho uzakhuluma njani ezombangazwe labo Obama, nanku phela kabasazi isiZulu.

So you don't know what you talking about. How educated are you? Zuma is clearly far much better that you.
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#35900 - 01/30/08 10:17 AM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Babugagashi]
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 Originally Posted By: Babugagashi
"Bhudaza
Akungitshele Bhudaza, yiliphi ilizwe olaziyo eluphumelelayo elilomongameli ongafundanga?


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#35901 - 01/30/08 05:48 PM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Bhudaza]
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Bhudaza
You might want to double check your sources on this one.

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#35908 - 01/30/08 09:52 PM Re: US, EU Hampering RSA Mediation in Zvimbagwe-ZUMA [Re: Babugagashi]
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I am actually thinking about running for Zimbabwean leadership. the best school I have attended is my father's, he was my instructor about taking care my family and neighbors and I have seen it help me a great deal many places. Other conventional schools I have attended will help me to converse at an intellectual level with other leaders and everyone of interest. We need a total education to run a successful enterprize, and remember education should be continuous, if it has to help a country.
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