Mthwakazi
In the next few years Mthwakazi will be an independent state. Has anyone stopped to think how this will be achieved. How about the cost.We may have to pay for that independence by sacrificing our time, efforts and sorry to say, "may be by our lives" as well. Its quite easy for me to envision that state of independence, but not so clear envisioning the journey or the process there. How do we lodge the idea with zanu and the world at large formally? Is there anyone with a clear and constructive conscience who can take me/us through the process/journey there, in general layman terms which can be understood by all of us.

Mthentehlaba nebandla
You are raising an important issue here,but i am quite certain that noone knows the journey we will or the struggle go through. We can only speculate, plan and wish it goes according to our wishes and plans.
As Mthwakazi we have our conscious plans on how our struggle should be waged, firstly ours is a struggle for restoration, a struggle for defending our nationhood, ours must be a peaceful political process, which is not revolutionary but evolutionary.
We must resist the methods that our enemies want us to employ, because if we do so our moral high ground in this struggle will be eroded.
Maybe some will say this is naivety at its best, i can not disagree with you on that,because the evidence on the ground points to something different to what i am proposing. But i am sure that Mthwakazi is political mature and sophisticated therefore we can be pioneers in Africa. One may ask, if ours is a defensive struggle, are we going to defend our selves with bare and empty hands? My answer to that difficult question is:-In politics self defense demands forward thinking and proactive planning. One must be always a step ahead of his or her enemy, one must be always ready to implement his or her defensive mechanisms. Study your enemy inside out, understand what is constant with him or her, then have an answer for that. If your enemy is devoid of rational thinking or its reaction and actions are alien to rationality, then you must be prepared for unconventional defensive measures.
Let it be known that this struggle may last long, those who are deciding to join the struggle must join the struggle with the full knowledge that this is an ultimate struggle, it may last longer than expected, it might cost a lot of resources including human blood.

Mthentehlaba says



And Sibambimidlelo earnestly adds:




And then, mina micondo yegusha I say: eureka!! Sekuya caca ke manje ukuthi l’ve always been correct that this Mthwakazian politics is only a frivolous allegation. Yi sikorokoro esi ngena masondo. Kwabona o-stalwart bayo acknowledge ukuthi it's just wishful thinking. They concede that it's all sheer speculation and conjecture. They have no clue of whether they are coming or going.

I will reiterate the sentiments that have turned me into Mthwakazian enemy numero uno in the eyes of those who either lack objectivity or are just anathema to truth . I will reiterate them coz they’re the crude, brutal & honest truth, now backed by the sentiments of izishoshovu – Sibambimidlelo no Mthentehlaba. And those sentiments are that:
A secessionist Mthwakazian enclave is not a State, but a state of mind. It is a product of deluded minds, best confined to cyberspace wallowing & bickering.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
Umicondo yegusha
U-jacket lika 3 years!

MUNTONGENAKUDLA
Thank you very much for your help. May you be remembered also at your hour of need. You are a blessing. Sike sizwe ukuthi abantu bona bazothini.

Zizukulwane zikaMthwakazi...I think I have an idea of our political journey. Judging from today's world of politics and state of affairs, just pay attention to the recent Kosovo independence, Tibet disturbances, and ethnic clashes in some East and West African states. We need to start laying the ground rules for this journey if we are to attain independence in the next 3-10 years. Once the ground rules have been laid, we then need to take the struggle to the current provinces of Matabeleland. And bear in mind kulamaVenda, amaChewa, amaNambya, amaKalanga, amaTonga etc, who may not neccessarily buy the struggle, kodwa I'm sure a lot of them have been subjected to ethnic oppression long enough for the struggle to make sense to them. The important thing is to sell a clear strategy on how an independent Mthwakazi would be different from a shona Zimbabwe. On the ground, we need to mobilize the voices in an intelligent manner (ngoba that would now be a war). And once the masses of Matabeleland have accepted the struggle...a few repeated disturbances is what it takes for the world to recognise the need to accept our liberation and independence.>..

Ngiyahumana yini bandla?

Sesike safika kuleli banga. Ngakho inpendulo yemibuzo uzoyithola ekuthini kuzakuba ungcono udinge inhlanganiso ezifana labo MPC kumbe MFP (Matabeleland Freedom Party), PUMA kume FDU. Amacebo alohlonzi ahluzwa kulezi nhlanganiso.

You are not good at spin-doctoring at all. I did not in anyway doubt the struggle of Mthwakazi, and i shall never doubt its destination, but on how it will pen out and transpire on the battle field, that very much i don't know. We can have our best plans, but we must never forget that we are against other human beings, who can think, who can plan, who can respond to our plans. So only a fool will come up with a certain journey of the Mthwakazi struggle. Our political journey as i said before will be like a life course development, full of ups and downs, but the final destination is surely a foregone conclusion, the final destination is the total emancipation of Mthwakazi, the restoration of our sovereign and independent nation. Make no mistake about that.

Sibambimidlelo

Angi hlangani neze nobu spin doctor. Never was & never will be. The only connection between me naleyo nto is my love for the song, “Two princes” by that obscure 90s, one hit wonder, American rock group, The Spin Doctors. Uyayi cava leyo track? Ja, twaz baie lekker nee! Mooi goed! Baie ngca! Beyi vuth' uphondo – ishisa izikhotha.

Sibambimidlelo, sekuyi minyaka cishe emihlanu, sidikadikana nento eyodwa. Into engathi shu. Various stripes of pseudo Mthwakazian revolutionaries have come laph’ esigungwini, bethatha nga mawala, betatazela sengathi bachatha uhlanya – full of empty promises, delivering loads of zilch, fluttering to deceive, bellowing strong tribal hatred in the name of Mthwakazi secession - more hype than substance. They hurled insults kimina when I confronted them with facts, ngiba bonisa ukuthi ayikho nje yonke le nyambarara yabo - it's a fiasco of trying to push an elephant up the stairs. I stood firm, was not intimidated or stifled, took them on – one by one, toe to toe & defeated them. I was the last man standing. Na namhlanje I’m still standing – ngiringa i-waar 9 9.

Baphi bona? Ngoba vese babe fana naba phrofethi bamanga, imigulukudu - they had no staying power. Yonk’ into yabo yenziwa ngesi vuthevuthe, fast fast like aba khuthuzi & within a short space sebe khathele. Ngokunjalo, izigagayi mbumbulu lezi zashesha zakhathala, zadla phansi. You’d remember the Ininas, Sheikhs (not to be mistaken for Schabir – Zuma’s benefactor), Skruvethe, Phoshozwayo, Bhudaza, Mtshede etc. Behluleka.

Angeke uze uzwe be ringa nge secession again. I rescued them from darkness. They saw the light. I-secession is now just a skeleton that has been brought out of the closet and dusted off in recent years. Sekuyi ngoma edlalela phansi, kancane, kalufifi iqhamuka no Mafikizolo, uquqaba ebekade lungekho ko 2004. OMafikizolo laba are now the dimunitive lead vocalists, backed by the indefatigable dlanzana laba landeli, oSibambimidlelo bansondo, bebhimba ngama phimbo abhedayo.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
Umicondo yegusha
U-jacket lika 3 years!

Ngobhumba njalo Shamase, angizi kuwubeka phansi owami umkhonto. Ngilapha ukuzoxoxisana nedlanzana elifana nawe, ukuthi nginibonise indlela yenkululeko, kothi lapho uphendukayo, kuyobe kuphelile okwami lapha esigungwni. Ngiyowubopha owami ngiwufake obhokweni ngiwabhekise lapho okufanele ngiwabhekise khona amabombo.

I am going to answer your question, regardless of whether you wanted an answer or not. Uyabuza uthi wena bakuphi lababantu obaqambe ngamagama, ubuye uthi sebaphonsa ithawula, sebabeka phansi imikhonto yabo ngesizathu sokuthi wena wabehlula 9 9. Okay baba, i would like to tell you that i am greatly honoured to personally know some of the guys you mentioned above. Some of these guys are really political animals, i am with them on the ground, pushing this struggle forward. Uma ube ucabanga ukuthi ubehlule, khohlwa uphinde, these are the guys who have given everything up for the benefit of the struggle, they have dedicated their whole lives to the emancipation of Mthwakazi.

SIBAMBAMAHAWU
Ngiyabulisa wakwethu
Thats the exact medicine and dosage for this wild unmannered and uncultured man. If you just ignore his distractions and focus on your vision, he thinks he has won. He is here to win arguments and debates. He gets kicks out of being vulgar.

Make a demonstration and tear the flag of Zimbabwe koBulawayo eCity Hall, tear it up now get 1000 youth and go and tear up the flag of Zimbabwe eCity Hall, come on man

mfethu ngiyakubingelela Mthwakazi. phila mina ngisaphila. mfethu kulula. thina singamagrafters mfethu. uma kuthiwa kuyasetshenzwa siyasebenza. akuncengwamuntu.did you know that the south african gold mines had to recruite aMaNdebele for the gold mines to prosper hence the former sporting song [shosholoza akushomina kusho isitimemela stimelasvelezimbabwe] all we need mfethu is to be rid of these evil lazy shona who rates mugabe as a success. had it been a Ndebele we would not have allowed him to go unchallanged for this long. no way would we could have allowed anybody to murder 50000+ innocent civilians be it shona or whatever. now we need to drive them away fullstop. i think we need to sacrifice our lives for the sake of our nation, we fought alongside the shona against white racist.why cant we fight against shona racisism??? take the farms issue. they say the farms were aquired through no good deeds by the whites.sorry, not only whites but a lot of mugabes buddies eg enos nkala who commited suicide because he had stollen so much from the vehicle company. he acquired the farms fradulantly. so they must be taken as well.many of them.but no only white farms ,blatant sacist thugs.i am proud that the great Ndebele nation were not part of this racist mess. when these people leave us alone then we will start singing shosholoza and built Mthwakazi Republic. we dont beleive in boasting about knowing makhulumakhulu so and so. we dont believe in degrees,phds so and so. we do not believe in changing road names so it looks like we built them, no, we believe in ability. do something yourself

shamase WEQISO

mfethu kunjani ,phila thina sisaphila . forget about the Venda Suthu ect .we are not fighting a tribalistic or racial war ,no no no .we are fighting injustices done by the shona. how come in beitbridge border post ther is not a single Venda nor Suthu employed there?that is a Venda and Suthu teritory. how come in plumbtree border post there is no Khalanga people employed there? the list is endless mfethu. these people feel what we feel. during the killings they felt it as well.

wendoda, sesukuzwile ukuthi uthini nee.are you of or against? umthetho wakho unomona nee.awukahle ngamagama ezinye insizwa mfethu.uthi wena watshingani yacoshwa ubani, mfethu ngamagama kaBhekumuzi Luthuli lawo. kanti uwubala nje, isidedengu nje, uyihlo yene uyamazi nje ngoba ungathi uyaziphica .what is the way forward mfethu, phendula.

If people talk of Kalanga, Tsonga, then when they go to South Africa can they say what they are, why I they ashamed, mina I say I am Zulu, wena say you are Kalanga, are you ashamed, then let us all be Mthwakazi.Mthwakazi literally means bushman, has nothing to do with Zulu, Sotho, anyway South Africa is traveling fast towards its own hell, might get a bit of bloodletting there is the next 15 years, Zulu, Xhosa, Sotho, Tswana, just now its going to be boiling point if Mbeki ghad one it would now have reached a boiling point. Mthwakazi was a unifying name identifying with the bushman the original ownwers of the land. Mzilikazi did not have the arrogance of calling a nation Khumalo as Shangaan/ Zulu/ Ndwandwe called themselves, rather he looked for a name encompassing people.

First and foremost by whose account/s does the world not know of this "oppression". Zimbabwe is not exactly front page news but the tragic demise of Zimbabwe has been in the glare of the media both print and electronic. The abrogation of humans rights and the genocide in Matebeleland has been , at one time or another, been the subject of many a publication. A simple search on Google using the terms "Matebeleland" and "genocide" yields results in excess of 15000 for example. It is the height of overestimating one's importance to assume that until one stumbled on the forum a month or so ago the issue of genocide in Matebeleland as well as other peripheral issues (real and imagined) the world did not know about these issues.
Nonetheless, assuming that one does let the "world" know of this oppression, then what? What is this "world" then expected to do to end this oppression. My feeling is that the world knows of the oppression not justin Matebeleland but in the whole of Zimbabwe and the "world" chooses to do absolutely nothing for a variety of reasons. Not least being the fact that while the stories and issues that emanate from the dark land might touch the conscience of the ordinary man, these are just ordinary folk without the means to effect your desires for you. The harsh reality is that the movers and shakers of this world do not give a toss about you or your cause so you would be well advised to save your breath and channel your efforts into other more productive avenues.

There also appears to be a lot of self contradicting statements in the post quoted above- in one breath we are told "ours must be a peaceful political process" but in the very next we are told "it might cost a lot of resources including human blood". Forgive me for asking since when does a peaceful political process result in the spilling of human blood? Moreover how can the struggle for this Mthwakazi state be conducted via a peaceful political process when the very same people are busy complaining about Ndebele leaders "roping themselves" under Shona leaders, these are the very same people who talk about a peaceful political process yet dismiss the imminent elections as an and irritant and an irrelevance as Ndebeles having "nothing to vote". They dismiss and shun the political processes however flawed that are going in kwaMgodoyi as irrelevant and in the same breath have the temerity to talk about a peaceful political process!
They tell us that theirs is a peaceful political process but on the other hand are prepared to all eventualities. In other words they are prepared to use violence to achieve their aims and goals. These are not budding Mahatma Gandis! Their association with peaceful protest is only fleeting their real intent is achieve nationhood by any means neccessary. When all is said and done these chaps should just admit that their cause, its aims and objectives can only be achieved through the loss of human life (preferably somebody else's and not theirs!).All this talk about a peaceful political process is simply to pull wool over people's eyes! It is highly dishonest for the these chaps to pretend otherwise!

This is how i see chap, Mthwakazi should never advocate for a blind peaceful political process. Mthwakazi choses to engage in a peaceful political process because it is the right thing to do, but does not mean that if attacked for what she believes in that she must fold her hands and sing chimurenga song. Mthwakazi must respond robustly to defend her peoples. What Mthwakazi should not do is to undermine, despise and attack our enemies without provocation. We must never jump to an armed struggled without a need for it. You can despise our stand-point Mr Jazi but you must know that it informed by the love and need to protect human life, not just our own, but our enemy's as well.

Mthwakazi.

Remember, in any event, there are those who want things to happen, those who do not want things to happen, those who wonder why things do or do not happen, and above them all, those who make things happen.

some may sound very pejorative, disparaging and derogatory, just be virtuous, and the highest virtue is to know thy self.

khumbula Mthwakazi aboMuzorewa, lamaD.A, they too contributed in the liberation struggle.Detracters are an intergral part of any struggle, bend on proving them wrong, just let them not detour you, you'll get to your destination.

Above all pay attention to what your critics have to say, but don't forget to do what you have to do.

as for mina i'm just a foot soldier who is ready to die for the cause, and by 1983 i gathered more than enough reasons to fight, at this stage of the struggle my contribution won't matter much.

Okay foot soldier go and burn the Zimbabwe flag at the Center of Bulawayo, eRenkini bahlanye abantu, go,

Does that sound like the actions of soldier to you?

MTHWAKAZI NGIYAKUBINGELELA.Usaphila kodwa? wise words endeed. this is the way forward. we must all be foot soldiers. lokhu okungabantu lokhu kufuna sonke sikuhlasele at once. kusiqede at once.count me in.all we need to be talking about now is fund raising. raise funds buy guns bombs knives and lets go for them. those of us who want to be bombers should be assisted with funding.let us have a common fund where we can deposit funds into. the other thing is we have to meet. we need to have a functionig fulltime members whose sole responsibility would be to manage funds. where ever one is you shouldbe able to deposit money into that account. those who want to follow a peacefull way should be allowed to do so.the goal is common.i think we need to challeng these cio head on. let them know that when they come to take you they may come across burning bullets.as for now they know that they can do anything they want.no fear at all. let them feel it too. we are prepared to die. we will not run away.instead we will start hunting them.if died with one of them that would be wellwith me. salakahle. spread your message

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Does that sound like the actions of soldier to you? [/quote]

Well it would be the first real action towards instilling the idea since 1980's, what is a soldier to you, somebody who waits gets old and dies, what action do you have, quoting constitutions and ideals, actions speak much louder than words, if you say you are a foot soldier, go and something worthwhile, go and burn the Zimbabwe flag in front of the people, have 20 youth, then just disperse, the flag would be burnt, what happens from there, who cares, the idea will reach abantu emakhaya, that flag can be burnt, simple symbolic gesture.

cabucabu

everything has it's own time, a time for that is certainly coming. ngiyakuzwa uyafutheka, once the anger in you vanishes the warrior you are will emerge.

the word of the day is TACT.

and remember, he who fights and runs away, will fight again tomorrow, says the age old adage

as for age taking it's toll on me, alivikwa, but i have a son who will take from where i'd have left, all i need to do is to build a firm foundation and the conerstone being the identity of his adversaries.

lakusasa.

Ok, I get you. Your example of action is not a good one by any stretch of any imagination.

mfethu kunjani? you sound like the real thing. are you prepared to go down under for uMthwakazi? go for them full time? hunt them down?i am your buddy. i wish you guys could test me and see if i mean what i say.

Everything has its time in the struggle, we can not rule out any tactics, but we can not implement certain tactics well before their time. Anger or should i say uncontrolled anger is destructive to the angry, but a well managed anger is a source of strength and inspiration. A well managed anger will bringeth out a warrior in you.

when and where do we meet?we need to do this ,selivuthiwe ithumba

Dingilizwe mfowethu unjani la ukhona? thina sisaphila mfethu. we need to meet in a common place. how about end of april in birmingham abanye bathini? football ground.last sartuday of april 2008 confirm. thankyou

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Well it would be the first real action towards instilling the idea since 1980's, what is a soldier to you, somebody who waits gets old and dies, what action do you have, quoting constitutions and ideals, actions speak much louder than words, if you say you are a foot soldier, go and something worthwhile, go and burn the Zimbabwe flag in front of the people, have 20 youth, then just disperse, the flag would be burnt, what happens from there, who cares, the idea will reach abantu emakhaya, that flag can be burnt, simple symbolic gesture. [/quote]

Cabucabu, you are asking for way too much from these cry babies. All they do yikulawula kuphela lapha esigugwini, they don't have the balls to even talk about this so-called Mthwakazi nation khonale komgaxa.
Nothing will ever come out of ukuhumana kwabo Mthwentwehlaba1 and company. It will take way more that just Mthwentwehlaba's cheerleading skills to get their word to the people they claim to represent.Abanye bazithi ngama foot soldiers, yeah right, foot soldiers, my foot. Where the hell have you people been footing? Online! Damn

i'm beginning to sense that the phrase "foot soldier" is too loaded for some of my forumites, correct me if i'm wrong.

Babugagashi
Now you can tell us about yourself seeing you said about us.We are prepared to learn and we are open minded to anything that could set us free.

Madoda, kusokola wonk’ umuntu KwaMgodoyi – ngisho namaShona imbala. Ayikho lento yokuthi it’s only Mthwakazians that are suffering.



It's sad.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
Umicondo yegusha
U-jacket lika 3 years!

hayi mani wena Shamase, kanti kwenzakalani ekhanda lakho???

Lingikhumbule njengeqhawe lakwaMthwakazi. Ngiyabonga bafowethu, lingaphanyiswa yizitha lamashona, who are hiding under so called Zulu names and some Mthwakazi names. Siyabazi ukuthi ngobani, but please dont be deterred by these people.