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#37114 - 04/02/08 12:00 AM Mthwakazi Forum in London
Maxwell_Zondo Offline
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Registered: 03/10/04
Posts: 5
Loc: Bulawayo
Imbovane YaMahlabezulu is facillitating a forum for the people of Mthwakaziland every friday to discuss issues affecting our nation. All people of this nationality are welcome to share their views. This week we shall be looking at the impact of the current election results on our nation. What does the Mugabe, Tswangirai or Makoni victory mean to the region?

Deatails of the venue are as follows:

Venue- The Urban Bar LHT
176 Whitechapel Road
London
E1 1BJ
Time 6:30pm- 9:30pm


Liye mukelwa lonke Mahlabezulu.

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#37116 - 04/02/08 12:50 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Maxwell_Zondo]
Mnewethu Offline
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Registered: 05/18/07
Posts: 70
Loc: uk
Yinto enhle le bafowethu kodwa ke you must consider other venues phela in future lingenzi njengekhaya ukuthi into zonke zenziwa eHarare.

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#37119 - 04/02/08 09:21 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Mnewethu]
lvovo Offline
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Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 166
Loc: KZN
Kuyancomeka lokhu bafowethu.

Up up ngomsebenzi
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#37121 - 04/02/08 10:05 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Maxwell_Zondo]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
Mr Zondo

It seemeth that the Mgots regime is as good as gone. Bishop Tutu observes it kahle uma ethi:
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"Even the dumbest of us would say that results would not have been held back... had it not been the fact that Mr Mugabe has not won," said the Nobel Peace Prize winner.

"Had the Zanu-PF won these elections we would have heard them crowing a long time ago."




Now, ngoba ese vayile uMgots, it's time that you Mthwakazians wake up & smell the coffee. Do not isolate yourselves. Join the celebration party, mingle with the new order & form alliances. Xokozelani right in the midst of lonke uquqaba olu funa ikusasa eli qhakazile KwaMgodoyi. Rope in the likes of MDC Mutambara losers (Welshman, Gibson, Fletcher Dulini, Paul Themba blah blah) - guys who, like you, are right now on the outside looking in.

Let not any significant event in the course of shaping a post-Mgots nation escape you. Deep your hands in the pie & participate in the drawing of a new pluralistic constitution that will usher in promises of quasi independence for your alleged Mthwakazian nation. Jostle for a position alongside the rest of the interest groups in this new dawn.

Don't let this new window of hope escape you. Uma nithi miss this chance, angeke nize nilunge futhi. Just pack your bags now isikhathi sise khona, strike the iron while its hot, leave London now & go preach your secession or quasi independence gospel kubantu on the ground, KwaMgodoyi. Do it now while the whole world is focussed on the country.

Just quit preaching to the converted lapho e-London. Aba hhedeni that matter most & are certainly in need of conversion to your Mthwakazi secession cum-quasi autonomy ideals are based in Matebeleland - not overseas.

Shamase Nkwali yenkosi
Umicondo yegusha
U-jacket lika 3 years!
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#37123 - 04/02/08 11:23 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Muntongenakudla]
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Thank you, may it be well with you too whatever you do.


Edited by MTHWENTWEHLABA1 (04/02/08 11:23 AM)
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#37124 - 04/02/08 11:58 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Muntongenakudla]
ntombankala Offline
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Registered: 11/06/02
Posts: 205
Loc: Zimbabwe
Muntu, I share the same views with you on that aspect. I have found your contributions to be insightful, challenging and it is your bravery that I admire most. This contribution by you, is one of the 'most poerful I have come across" and I dont doubt your political prowess.

There are observations that if mgabe goes, some form of equilibrium will establish itself. Such a state could see "equal distribution of resources nationally". It may happen or may not. I have been one of those active in advocating for a split simply because I could not see equality under Mugabe. But the voting pattern in Byo suggests that people are 'indifferent" to whoever leads them. In other words, anyone challenging Mugabe using "combative language" like Morgan did, was likely to appeal to them. But there is a feeling on the ground of a need of an "own state".

If mgabe "does go", there are opportunities of "reorganisation" nationally. At this stage it is difficult to predict such a state. Morgan could just be a stop - gap measure even in Mashonaland. But its the "dip your hands in the pie" that must be taken seriously. I get frustrated when I read some posts here of "cry babies". "Making noise when the whole world's eyes are on Zim" would have been ideal if Matlanders were organised. That critical mass is not there although there are "groups in Matland" internally and externally that subscribe to separation". Okunengi ngamagwala though.

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#37126 - 04/02/08 01:25 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: ntombankala]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 196
Loc: KwelikaMjoji
Surprisingly, today i agre with both Ntombankala and Muntu, but not totally, my agreement with them goes as far as the need for Mthwakazi to take part in this window of opportunity, if MT happens to win the elections. Mthwakazi people need to vigorously sell their agenda right from the onset, this will take MT and his govt with surprise, it will nake them devolve more powers to the provinces. But the greatest thing that this will achieve is the political will and awareness of Mthwakazi. My biggest challenge goes to the two political groups, that is MPC and MFP. Are they going to take this window of opportunity not to waste time, to sell their agenda with robust. Just don't care what others will say, just go all the way and sell your agenda.

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#37130 - 04/02/08 03:27 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: ntombankala]
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Mthwakazi is not disorganised. Mthwakazi is not amagwala.Mthwakazi are not cry babies.You really have guts to address other people as "okunengi ngamagwala" What has happened to inhlonipho kanti shuwa? Why is it so easy to despise other beings? Even a dog knows its owner. Say your assertions were true, were we going to be so low as to celebrate the weakness of others, how better off does it make us. This raises suspicions that you yourself are filled with disorganisation and cowardice, you are here only employing projection mechanisms. Bravery is very different from being vulgar. WHY WONT WE BUILD UP ONE ANOTHER IN LOVE? Muntu spent half his time here denying Mthwakazi s concerns and labelling us with all sorts of names and describing our agenda as that of the mind only. Now you are here telling us how we should go about it. Too high minded you two are.
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#37132 - 04/02/08 04:38 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Muntongenakudla Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
Mthente

My oh my, you're way too soft mthaka. You're just a pathetic, lilly livered wimp. And this topic is way too hot for those of your ilk.

Siya pheka la - yingakho kuya shisa emabhodweni. So just get the hell out of the kitchen.

Mthente, iqiniso yiqiniso. Fcuk any kind words, nitomotana, nikhohlisana ngamanga! That just doesn't cut.

Inkinga wukuthi nifuna ukuncengana, nivumelana izinto ezingekho everyday. Ayikho i-revolution ephumelela that way. Umzabalazo ufuna amadoda anama phambili - amadoda angempela, amadoda elusa, amadoda aqhathwa! Not abafanyana - amadoda mbumbulu - lilly livered, petty cry babies whose spirit is easily crushed by strong words.

What doesn't kill you can only make you stronger. Utshani obulele, buvuswa wumlilo. Yingakho kufanele nithi read & learn from these strongly worded posts. See the wood from the trees - consider the postings in terms of their substance as opposed to their form. Then you'll appreciate & count the blessings of having abantu abafana njenga nami amongst you.

Yeah - substance over form mthaka!! That's the buzz phrase.

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#37133 - 04/02/08 05:23 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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Registered: 11/06/02
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Loc: Zimbabwe
I wont go into the details of your post as those are your " observations". None of us is perfect and I particularly dont want to be seen as being perfect. At the same time, I dont expect to make friends on the web or be treated with kid gloves. Khwela wehle ngami uma ngikhuluma into ezibhedayo. I dont give a damn. Isnt it amazing how you feel insecure!! Grow up - get a life!

Muntu's contributions stand out in the manner in which he tears down every aspect of our discussion. Im sure you have heard about "creative destruction". That makes this site great and it would be dead boring without people like him. If tomorrow he puts something ebhedayo, I will "bomb" him. Yebo akuyiwa nganxanye kungemanzi. Muntu's posts force us ukuthi sizinuke amakhwapha baba. His message is roled into: "set yourselves realistic goals" ....and that Matlanders be, "SMART" - that too, is an acronym in business. Just read his post below, what else do we want? His choice of language shows he is a seasoned politician. Ukuzwa wukuncishwa. Onendlebe makezwe.

Into enhle yinhle noma ikugxeka. Criticism of the harshest type puts you through a furnace, it molds, refocuses you, and builds you.... and as he says, he wants to see amadoda anamasende....assuming they are there. Akhona lawo madoda nabafazi yini lapha esigungwini? Yebo akhona kodwa imvamisa....ngamadojeyana. We certainly have good contributors here and can name them but some....are disgusting cry babies.

Example: someone said, "amashona ayasilandela e Jozi". What trash is that? The role of changing the minds and focussing on opportunities that may arise rests with each individual and not MPC or similar entity.

As Muntu blasts us, the embarassment and pain generated must propel our bodies to produce energies that force us to "prove him wrong". Manje nkosi yami!!

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#37136 - 04/02/08 06:18 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: ntombankala]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 196
Loc: KwelikaMjoji
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Umzabalazo ufuna amadoda anama phambili - amadoda angempela, amadoda elusa, amadoda aqhathwa! Not abafanyana - amadoda mbumbulu - lilly livered, petty cry babies whose spirit is easily crushed by strong words.

If your "substance over form" mantra was meant for this, today i have to say that i understand and respect you. If your rather acidic language was aimed at making us men or prepare us for really revolution then i respect you. But deep in my heart i have some doubts whether that is what you meant or set to achieve.

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What doesn't kill you can only make you stronger. Utshani obulele, buvuswa wumlilo. Yingakho kufanele nithi read & learn from these strongly worded posts.

These are truely words of wisdom. Sometimes you can be amazingly insightful.

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See the wood from the trees - consider the postings in terms of their substance as opposed to their form. Then you'll appreciate & count the blessings of having abantu abafana njenga nami amongst you.

We have always appreciated having you here, and appreciated having everybody. People are different and contribute to our knowledge base in different ways.
[/quote] Yeah - substance over form mthaka!! That's the buzz phrase. [/quote]
I think i am starting to appreciate your "substance over form" mantra.

If Mthwakazi could not take this opportunity as soon as possible then we must be assured of wallowing in political wilderness for a very long time to come.
I agree with you as well Mr Ntombankala uma uthi the responsibility rests with all of us not certain political movements only, but i also reiterate the need of political movements asserting their agendas as soon as Tswangirayi comes into power. MT will not know how to deal with us for sometime while our struggle is taking root. He is not going to send gukurahundi or immidiately use CIOs to crush us. By the time he decides to do so our cause would have been sold to our people.

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#37137 - 04/02/08 06:23 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: ntombankala]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Ntombankala
Its not as if you dont understand me. You decide to stray purposefully. Its vulgar Im talking about.Crude language, despising others, talking people down, sweeeping statements, if one person says this or that its not Mthwakazi saying it. There should really be a difference between drunken men holding a debate and eg Prime minister s question time or a parliamentatry debate or even a school debate. Just that you dont give a damn its the sort of thing I m talking about.To be honest with you I do need you, I respect you, Mthwakazi does need you, you do matter to us but I dont feel comfortable when get to a point where we dont give damns about one another. Waal if you feel you dont need us that is not a complete truth but again thats fine. I m not saying come round here and pamper people. I m simply saying let us be civilised.
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#37145 - 04/03/08 12:58 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Madlenya]
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Today these are the pearls of wisdom -

 Originally Posted By: Madlenya
Surprisingly, today i agre with both Ntombankala and Muntu, but not totally, my agreement with them goes as far as the need for Mthwakazi to take part in this window of opportunity, if MT happens to win the elections. Mthwakazi people need to vigorously sell their agenda right from the onset, this will take MT and his govt with surprise, it will nake them devolve more powers to the provinces. But the greatest thing that this will achieve is the political will and awareness of Mthwakazi. My biggest challenge goes to the two political groups, that is MPC and MFP. Are they going to take this window of opportunity not to waste time, to sell their agenda with robust. Just don't care what others will say, just go all the way and sell your agenda.


In another thread the master strategist wrote

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You ask whom should we vote for? the answer to this question is not easy, there are many factors to consider before aking that crucial decision. Firstly, let us look at the political parties contesting for the forthcoming elections, we have ZANU PF under the leadership our Mr Robert Mugabe, some may easily dismiss any suggestion that may say, Mugabe is the many to vote for in these elections. Why is it so?, any of our moves must serve to further our cause, if Makoni or Tswangirayi happen to win these elections, the Mthwakazi cause will be in deep shitt. The world will not lend us their ear, our people will want to give who ever will becoming into power some time to prove his capability and on how he will deal with the Mthwakazi issue. Let us say that Makoni or Tswangirayi wins and decides to devolve power to the provinces, our people will view this in a positive light and they would not be receptive to the long term solutions to their plight. The demise of Mugabe will or maybe the demise of our cause. Mugabe must win these elections at wgatever costs.


Thus in the space of three weeks or so or whenever the latter asinine ejaculation was made what has changed our resident intellectual, slayer of non-existent dragons and an undresser of men to boot has lurched from one postion to another yet contracdictory to the first. Then he wanted Mug-a-bee to win so that, wait for it, the international community could lend him its ear. Then a Tswangilayi victory was unpalatable as the Mthwakazi cause would be in deep shitt (sic). Then the interests of Mthwakazi were best served by keyboard warriors from without, borrowing an ear or two here or there. Then Mthwakazi people were dismissed as buch of ignoramuses who quite frankly, in the mind of our intrepid thinker, did not know on which side their bread was buttered. Then Mthwakazi and other peoples were sentenced to another term of suffering if only that our self-styled key board liberator could posture and pose as a NATIONALSIT no less. Today that has all but changed the fight or should I say cyber-guerilla tactics are abandoned in favour for a fight from within. The philosopher extra-ordinaire opines that the MPC and MFP should take this window of opportunity and sell their agenda with robust (sic). It is strange how these elections and their outcome have suddenly become a window of opportunity yet when Sikhathele told him that Ndebeles had "roped themselves" under Shona leaders he gurgled with glee, when Sikhathele told him that Ndebeles have nothing to vote for our self styled intellectual giant, slayer of dragons and undresser of men could hardly stop himself from doing a hop, a skip and a jump! To re-iterate these elections were dismissed as a non-event for Ndebeles yet today intellectual giant, slayer of dragons and undresser of men touts them as a opportunity for the MPC and the MFP. It is also worth pointing our that neither of these two organsations participated in the elections, rather, they both chose to "rope themselves" to the sidelines and in the case of the MPC and its "Communications Department" chose to haughtily make snide remarks about those that were working and toiling for this "window of opportunity". Because of "roping themselves" to the sideline, neither the MPC nor the MFP has a mandate from the people of Mthwakazi and it would not surprise me in the least, if and when the MPC had the cajones to "sell their agenda with robust" to the MDC and Tsvangilayi they were told to go and suck a thousand lemons. I guess that is what it means to be an intellectual - to flip-flop between quite contradictory and cognitively dissonant positions without as much of a pause or an intake of breath!!!. And while we are at it the MFP and the MPC had better watchout- this is the same philosopher, thinker and intellectual who once suggested, with a straight face, that Mthwakazi leaders who do no co-operate should be abudcted in the dead of the night one by one and brutally murdered to force them to co-operate. Just as well that the MPC keeps its leaders wrapped in cotton-wool in the cloak of faceless anonimity.
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#37149 - 04/03/08 08:33 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Jazelindizayo]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 196
Loc: KwelikaMjoji
Jazi

Stop being a clown, don't assign to me things i did not say or write. Stop being twisted in the mind. Stop being malicious.
You are really foolish.
In your warped intelligence and malicious spirit you should know that in any struggle there are tactics and strategies. A man should be able to thrive in chaos, the zim political landscpe demands that unconventional methods should be employed.

When did i suggest that MFP or MPC leadership should be killed?? Please furnish me with evidence of that and stop being deliberately twisted in the mind.

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#37152 - 04/03/08 09:55 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Jazelindizayo]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Registered: 02/13/08
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Wena Jazi, lawe Muntu, loNtomabankala
Just to tell you I personally dont count you for anything. People have respected you long enough and you continue to regard that as folly on their part. Extended the hand of peace you count that for ignorance.Thats exactly what your like, mgabe s been about. You now pretend that you re being reflective and constructive in your intentions. Thats pure lies passing thru your teeth, the truth is you are MDC, you oppose the cause of Mthwakazi. Waal, you other two you are just misfits failing to fit even in your own community, thats why you are here, where you are not known, pretending as though you are something when you empty on the inside. You fill that vacuum by creating a little kingdom where you think you can exercise your excessive authority through any means. It may help for a few seconds but when as time goes you really need psychotherapy. I TELL YOU THIS BOASTINGOF YOURS IS SHORT LIVED, SOON WE WILL BE MEETING FACE TO FACE, YOU COME AND PLAY AROUND LIKE THIS LIZAYIFUNDA IVALIWE. Please know that it really does not matter where you graduated, in Oxford, or in heaven for that matter,that does not give you an inch to stand taller than any single soul in this forum. We stand in this forum according to our political history and victimisation, HOW THAT WE ARE TO BE ERADICATED ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH by some inluding MDC, and therefore our survival is paramount. Dont joke around here, we are not jokers. Even the English among Englishmen can not come here and start abusing people. So is you think you can come here and intimidate people by your english language you are deadly forgotten. We dont regard any single language above others. Your social class is irrelevant here. Your achievements are irrelevant.LIKHOHLAKELE BIG TIME. This is not a public forum by the way. By virtue of association you are in a wrong camp, you been sleeping ,time is overtaken you. This is no longer what you used to know and we are not who you used to know. This place is for the literate, people who know it is evil to belittle others, people who know it is wrong to illtreat others, people who know political segregation is immoral and inhumane. Mannered and cultured people. What culture is this that you build people up by insulting them, vulgar language after vulgar language, you tell us that you were meaning it for good, whose good? Totally psychopathic! After all this you suggest we are low-lifers I should get a life, where from? From your vulgarity? Just check how your country is on the decline and sort out your kin to do something about it instead of trying to play mr fix it here, Fix UP YOURLIVES.
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#37156 - 04/03/08 07:45 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Jazelindizayo Offline
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Mthwente- Happy belated birthday - I understand that you went out with your little bucket and little spade and built yourself a little castle of sand in celebration. Tuesday the 1st of April sure is a special day. Bless!!!

Sometime ago I advised you to stop acting like the headboy of the forum - good advice that came free of charge which you blatantly disregarded no doubt acting on the maxim that " the nicest thing about advice is that you do not have to follow it". Muntu advised you that the role of policeman of the forum is a post that is occupied by Sibalukhulu and his moderators but again you chose to disregard this good advice that came fre of charge. Now you stagger from pillar to post punch drunk from bruising, brutal and downright vicious encounters with the likes of Muntu and Ntomba your cries growing more strident by the day as no one pays you any notice. You have clearly worked yourself into a state of apoplexy over issues and matters that you can do nought about. You cannot and will not stop anyone particularly me from posting on this forum. You cannot and will not stop me from expressing myself in the language of my choice on this forum. You cannot and will not stop me from writing in the styles and manner in which I choose to write in this forum.I will come and go from this forum as I please for as long as the owners of the forum can counternance my presence. Now put that in you pipe and smoke it!!!

I must admit that found this bit highly amusing and I must confess that I nearly fell of my chair with laughter as I read it:
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So is you think you can come here and intimidate people by your english language you are deadly forgotten


This seems to me like a tranliteration from the mother tongue - "likhohlakele" = you are (deadly) forgotten. This also seems to suggest that you might benefit from some attendance to a night school class in English language and creative writting as matter of some urgency!
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#37160 - 04/03/08 08:33 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Madlenya]
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When did i suggest that MFP or MPC leadership should be killed?? Please furnish me with evidence of that and stop being deliberately twisted in the mind.



It would appear that our resident philosopher, strategist, intellectual giant, slayer of dragons and undresser of man has but a short lived memory. I guess it takes to much time and effort to be an intellectual giant cum philosopher cum strategist cum dragon slayer cum undresser of men. Let me refresh your memory - think back to the twenty second of december in the year of our lord two thousand and six. A little digression if I may, sometime ago you traduced my otherwise goodname by claiming that I had denied that the Gukurahundi massacres. I challenged you to provide the proof but the silence was deafening. When I posted evidence to nullify by slanderous claims your thick lips remained sealed not a sound not even an apology was heard from you. You then went on to call me liar though it was not shared with the forum what it is that I had lied about. Nonetheless I have always believed in putting my money where my mouth is. So here goes;

While you were not writting about the leaders of the MPC and the MFP per se , this is what you wrote


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Bantu bokuza ( Stateless People) [Re: Mbulawa]
Madlenya Madlenya
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Posts: 127
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At times i think that the level of Mthwakazi consciousness needed to reject everything Shona and Shona related could be brought by violence against our people. People must be forced to accept who they are, sometimes the stick and carrot approach could be very useful. Fear can reshape people's thinking and allegiance, remember Mthwakazi is where she is because of violence committed against them over a long period of time, in order to reverse that sort of similar tactics must be used against them.

This is how it could be done, starting by all Mthwakazi leaders or potential Mthwakazi leaders who delight in bickering and division, we must steal them by still of the night and kill all of them one by one, then the masses will realises that we mean serious business. There are many leaders in Mthwakazi but they delight in division and working against each other, they must be forced to work together by sheer work of brute force.

An organisation (hit squad) must be formed to brutalise and spill blood of these selfish leaders. The terms of reference and specifics of this lovely blood letting organisation will be drawn by you and me. It must be well funded.

My last words are directed at all Mthwakazi leaders who do not want to unite and work for the good of the nation, listen and listen very well, whether you are in the MDCs, ZANU, and other Mthwakazi organisations, the time to cut you down into size is nigh. Reform now or face the wrath.




The bold text is of my editing. As I stated at the onset you did not refer to the leaders of the MPC and the MFP per se (but you are referring to leaders and ipso facto the leaders of the MPC and MFP)

Now Master intellectual, slayer of ........ e.t.c are the above weasel words not begat of the labyrithine motions of an intellectual's advanced thought processes? Reading the above and your other "blues skies" thinking of wanting Mugabe to win the elections at what ever costs, I think there is little doubt who the clown is!
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#37162 - 04/03/08 08:35 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Jazelindizayo]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Loc: UG
Jazi
Wherever I go its up to me. I could really go to night school to study anything else but english. To me it is not as important as it is to you. It is just one of those languages which are spoken anywhere without total fluence and there be no big deal about it. But to you it adds somethindg extra, stature, it fills that empty inner space which is currently occupied by demons of strife and destruction, because to you everything that is not english is inferior and must be pressed down forever, thats why you go round displaying a superiority complex by the english you learned, or prerhaps its your mother tongue. You could just be black cause kwakungasela penda. I have told you before that as long as you remain rude you have no place here, you are not welcome but you can still stay and continue posting but know that you are not celebrated here. You make a joke of our lives and our plight. If I make myself a headboy of this place it is because you dont value and respect this place.You believe its just for chatting all vulgar that you can not utter elsewhere.You obviously dont think someone must safeguard the welfare of this site. You think we will salute your english, like mugabe does but you are indeed deadly forgotten. Whatever I celebrate you have no memorial in it, stay on your side of the line. If I go to night school what is wrong with that? WOULD YOU RATHER GO YOURSELF? What is really wrong with night school. I interact with englishmen, english by birth, every day but surprisingly none of them falls off their chairs. Its only you that falls off your chair "high qansi" One would wonder what then you are looking for in this community? The poor ,rich educated unlearned,dull black green, all have a place here by virtue of humanity. They are dear to us and our community except you and the shona because of your animal traits.


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#37164 - 04/03/08 09:00 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Jazelindizayo Offline
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lol lol - uzazibulalisa nge B.P.
For sure Mthwentehlaba1 you surely are a blueprint for an idiot!!
Ntombankala told you that he is not here to win friends. To that list you can disabuse yourself of the notion that I am here to be celebrated! By whom? And most importantly why? I do not give two monkeys whether I am celebrated or not! I just do not give a damn whether you salute me or not! If I had wanted to be saluted I would have joined the army and not come here eNkundleni. So you interact with "English men" who are "english by birth" who do not fall of their chairs. Forgive me for asking since when are there chairs in the great apes and monkeys section of London zoo? In fact nevermind the chairs when did they place a computer in the zoo?
Look here, chap, this obsession with my choice and use of language borders on the unnatural and suggests an inferiority complex on your part. I am sorry I cannot help you but I would suggest that you seek the attention of mental health practitioners as a matter of urgency.
If my presence here bothers you that much then feel free to get in touch with Sibalukhulu and other moderators and ask them to ban me from the forum but until then you will just have to learn how to stop being a cry baby


Edited by Jazelindizayo (04/03/08 09:03 PM)
Edit Reason: Removing vulgar and rude language
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#37165 - 04/03/08 09:06 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
ubuntu Offline
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Registered: 10/21/03
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Loc: bulawayo
There we go! Politics is not about agreeing with each other. If every1 contributing to this discussion is working towards acheving the ideals of Mthwakazi emancipation, stop getting personal with each other, it's detracting from the job at hand. Lizaphikisana nge menu abantu bebulawa yindlala kuze kubenini? Debate is about the idea, not the author! Diversity of opinion is healthy, except if lingama dictator lani?

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#37167 - 04/03/08 10:53 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Jazelindizayo]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 196
Loc: KwelikaMjoji
 Originally Posted By: Jazelindizayo
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When did i suggest that MFP or MPC leadership should be killed?? Please furnish me with evidence of that and stop being deliberately twisted in the mind.



It would appear that our resident philosopher, strategist, intellectual giant, slayer of dragons and undresser of man has but a short lived memory. I guess it takes to much time and effort to be an intellectual giant cum philosopher cum strategist cum dragon slayer cum undresser of men. Let me refresh your memory - think back to the twenty second of december in the year of our lord two thousand and six. A little digression if I may, sometime ago you traduced my otherwise goodname by claiming that I had denied that the Gukurahundi massacres. I challenged you to provide the proof but the silence was deafening. When I posted evidence to nullify by slanderous claims your thick lips remained sealed not a sound not even an apology was heard from you. You then went on to call me liar though it was not shared with the forum what it is that I had lied about. Nonetheless I have always believed in putting my money where my mouth is. So here goes;

While you were not writting about the leaders of the MPC and the MFP per se , this is what you wrote


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Bantu bokuza ( Stateless People) [Re: Mbulawa]
Madlenya Madlenya
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Loc: KwelikaMjoji
At times i think that the level of Mthwakazi consciousness needed to reject everything Shona and Shona related could be brought by violence against our people. People must be forced to accept who they are, sometimes the stick and carrot approach could be very useful. Fear can reshape people's thinking and allegiance, remember Mthwakazi is where she is because of violence committed against them over a long period of time, in order to reverse that sort of similar tactics must be used against them.

This is how it could be done, starting by all Mthwakazi leaders or potential Mthwakazi leaders who delight in bickering and division, we must steal them by still of the night and kill all of them one by one, then the masses will realises that we mean serious business. There are many leaders in Mthwakazi but they delight in division and working against each other, they must be forced to work together by sheer work of brute force.

An organisation (hit squad) must be formed to brutalise and spill blood of these selfish leaders. The terms of reference and specifics of this lovely blood letting organisation will be drawn by you and me. It must be well funded.

My last words are directed at all Mthwakazi leaders who do not want to unite and work for the good of the nation, listen and listen very well, whether you are in the MDCs, ZANU, and other Mthwakazi organisations, the time to cut you down into size is nigh. Reform now or face the wrath.




The bold text is of my editing. As I stated at the onset you did not refer to the leaders of the MPC and the MFP per se (but you are referring to leaders and ipso facto the leaders of the MPC and MFP)

Now Master intellectual, slayer of ........ e.t.c are the above weasel words not begat of the labyrithine motions of an intellectual's advanced thought processes? Reading the above and your other "blues skies" thinking of wanting Mugabe to win the elections at what ever costs, I think there is little doubt who the clown is!


You are childish and vindictive, you took my statement deliberately out of context to sooth your bruised ego. I know that i bruised your ego by telling you the truth and challenging you flawed thought processes. At least now i have manage to draw you out of the woods into the light of day. You have been exposed of your lying heart. Evil people act like you, how could you possibly concort nasty scenarios about me just to make yourself feel good? You lied about me ever threatening MPC and MFP leadership, even after revealing that you were just mischivious you aptly forget to apologise, oh! what a shame. A lie will never stick man, if you want mee to be seen as an evil thug i have got news for you, in your evil schemes you must be reminded that you can not derail a clear mind like mind, i know what i stand for, i stand for Mthwakazi emancipation, i may differ with others as to what methods to employ to achieve that ultimate goal, but the total emancipation of Mthwakazi is my aim.
You maybe wishing to achieve your evil schisms against me, but you will never win, you are talking to a man who is well grounded and man who knows his shortcomings and a man proud of what he is and his achievements. You clearly set out to demean and to despise my intellect, and you think that will wash with your imaginary crowd. I am too smart for those stupid and shallow attacks.
I might not be as eloquent as you might be but when it comes to clarity of thought you are an intellectual midget.

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#37169 - 04/04/08 01:15 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Madlenya]
Jazelindizayo Offline
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Madlenya
Intellectual giant, slayer of dragons and undresser of men a question if I may - was this a football match or a boxing contest in which a victor was to be declared? You are clearly deluding yourself if think that this is/was about winning. You are grossly mistaken to think that this was about playing to the gallery.

How grounded is it to wish that Mugabe wins the elections if only that the world can land you an its ear

How grounded is it for you to wish that the people of Mthwakazi should continue under the yoke and boot of the brutal dictator while you sir sit in relative comfort 6000miles away honing your keyboard warrior skills ?

How grounded is it to support statements to the effect that the elections were a non event and then when all is said and done, to jump up and down like a baboon infested with red ants in proclamation of the outcome of the elections as a window of opportunity?

How grounded can you be if you abjectly fail to understand what a lie is. You insist on this and other occasions that I have lied. On those other occassions I have asked you tell the forum and the world at large what it is that I have lied about and you have never once come up with any shred of evidence. Might I suggest that investment in a dictionary and a thesauraus would of great benefit to you. Not only would you be able to look up the word "lie" but you would also be able to look up terms like per se and ipso facto. While you are at it you might as well go the whole hog and join Mthwente at nightschool where they might teach you and perchance you might learn the difference between "truth" and differences of opinion. Then perhaps you will cease to disabuse yourself of the myth that you told me the "truth" Qiniso bani engingalitshelwa yinto enjengawe?

Yes sireee you are clearly the epitome of being grounded!! And I duly tocuh my forelock to you


Demean you intellect? First of all, what intellect? Secondly, all evidence suggests that you do not need me to demean your intellect - you do a very fine and outstanding job of that your self. Your "ideas" about how it would be a good thing if Mugabe won these elections and how leaders in Mthwakazi should be "brutalised and forced to work together" all speak volumes about your so-called intellect or more precisely the lack thereof.It is patently obvious that what you lack in intelligence you more than make up for with your stupidity.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then by Jove it is a duck! And so too- you sound like a thug, you think like a thug, you write like a thug and so by jove you must be thug!!Revisit your post above about the leaders and tell me if that is not thuggish. Even the AGED took you to task on those irresponsible and reprehensible utterings.

It comes as no surprise that you should proclaim your self to be proud though it is not apparent what is is that you are proud of. Pride, perhaps like patriotism, is the last refuge of the scoundrel for dove-tailed on to the coat-tails of pride are arrogance and in your case an overwhelming ignorance.

Finally, I would rather be an intellectual midget any time, any place and in any space than to stagger around Inkundla like a drunk high on the illicit brew kachasu spouting malevolent and formenting malfeasance.
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#37170 - 04/04/08 01:27 AM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: ubuntu]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Im not being personal with this guy at all. It is his disrespectful behaviour Im on about. He has been crude not only with me but with Mthwakazi in general.He is the guy thats been denying Mthwakazi marginalisation and now time is spitting him out of this community you would note he s quickly changed his tune. All along we were talking about imaginery grievances as far as he is concerned. Anyway the crunch of the matter is that he is rude and it is very absurd of you to suggest that I m seeking after him to agree with what I m saying.For one, I dont believe this is a place of debates, I HAVE SAID THAT BEFORE. This chap nd co. have gone out of their way to get our vision aborted. Dont be lied to or should I say dont lie and try to tell people that it is healthy to argue, we know when one is coming here to build and also when they are about destroying where others are building.
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#37173 - 04/04/08 02:14 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
Madlenya Offline
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 196
Loc: KwelikaMjoji

Jazi
It would appear that our resident philosopher, strategist, intellectual giant, slayer of dragons and undresser of man has bad a habit of undressing himself in public.
Mr ever knowing, all-knowing the magnificent and sophicated intellectual giant, it seems you do not understand the implications of my groundedness, let me help you a bit here, it seems thinking is one of your problems, or should i say comprehension?
What i meant is that i know what i want and i do not change on my core principles, small variations are a matter of tactics and strategy. My long term view is the total emancipation of Mthwakazi, if you will ever find me wavering or changing from this padygim please do kill me Mr Slayer of dragons.

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#37178 - 04/04/08 04:55 PM Re: Mthwakazi Forum in London [Re: Jazelindizayo]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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You will find that if you respect people the people will respect back, and that is a general statement. I know you go on that you dont need respect from anyone but that then becomes your own problem. We only have to keep hammering general statements with the hope you will benfit one day. The thing we have no time for is to attend to your deviancy. That needs specialist interventions. Hamba kwabakwenu, its as simple as that. But again if Mthwakazi blesses you stay around, just dont harm others. How easy can it get honestly? ISIKHWICAMFUNDO cant find the way back home.
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