We want to go back home
By Natasha Marrian, Sapa

"I want to go home." This is the appeal of a Zimbabwean woman who fought to prevent her little sister from being raped during xenophobic attacks last night.

Willet Sibanda who also has an eight-year-old daughter received blankets and clothes at the Alexandra police station this afternoon.

These possessions are all she has left after xenophobic violence broke out on Sunday and she fell victim to it last night.

Sibanda told how men she described as ’Zulus’ from a hostel in Alexandra kicked down her door around 10pm and told her to leave everything behind and get out.

"They insulted us. They screamed, they shouted and said get out...they said leave everything. They demanded my cellphone and money...[they] touched me all over," she said.

Sibanda described how the group of men told her to stand behind a curtain because they wanted to rape her little sister.

She refused and fought and pleaded with them not to do so. "I said ’rather shoot us’."

After a while the men relented and allowed them to leave. They shouted at Sibanda and her sister to go back to Zimbabwe because they wanted her house and were tired of living in a hostel.

When the 28-year-old and her younger sister arrived at the police station they were told by officers that they would be taken to Doornfontein.

Sibanda, who is in South Africa illegally, said she did not want this but wanted to go home.

"I want to go back to my country, it’s not easy to stay in South Africa.

"Anywhere in South Africa, we are not safe...we came here for jobs and this is what we get," she said.

Sibanda and dozens of other foreigners who were displaced by the xenophobic attacks in the last two days remained at the police station seeking safety and shelter.

Gauteng Safety and Security MEC Firoz Cachalia remained locked in a meeting at the police station while aid workers continued to distribute blankets and clothes to the displaced people.

Be strong, see what a few tsotsis can do, when a guest do not break the law, a few bad apples, phephi maSibanda, anyhow the owners of South Africa will take it, nicely and quitly, South Africa is running out of electricity, soon, turmoil, those that are steadfast shall inherit what was always theirs before the coming of the swallows.

Since i came to South Africa i have been embarassed by being associated with amaZulu,they are one of the most shallow minded people you will ever meet,the few that are educated are very good people and treat us(the ndebele)as their kith and kin,because they understand the historical predicament of their long lost cousins(alienated by the shona and victimised by the south africans),but the bulk of them,the typical kwazulu Natal rural boy,they are usually taxi drivers and security guards,i know this will offend a lot of my fellw Mthwakazians ngobayou tend to look at them as the link to our heritage,our roots,kodwa ke,take it from me,i have spent time with these morons that we call our brothers,and mina for one,angifani labo laba,yebo i share a common ancestor with these iliterate fools kodwa that doesnt mean i have to tolereate being called"ikhalanga"when i know that i am not.
Phela dont be fooled into thinking ukuthi they are repentant ngento le abayiyenze e-Alexandra,hayi cha,they are crying for more "kwerekwere" blood.They accuse us of taking their jobs,their accomodation,and even their women.Ask anyone who has ever lived and worked in S.A,abantu bakithi bayasebenza(unfortunately abanye bangamasela),but you see the thing is,if you dont qualify for a professional job you have no option but to work e-restuarant,ku security or if ungumfazi as a maid,but there is a catch,not any Tom,Dick or Harry has the IQ,to work in the above mentioned jobs,phela you need to communicate in english with your superiors,khona e restuarant,worse,ngoba i menu ibhalwe nge silungu abangeke basi undertander omzala,so when they dont get employed because they are intellectually impaired,what do they do,they kill "amakhalanga".
If you ask me,they need to try their nonsense eHillbrow,kesibone ukuthi ba serious sho sho.

Ugly realities like the Alex xenophobic violence let alone are being sponsored by those little minded individuals who for the track of time have failed to realise the crisis in Zim. l hope Mbeki is a happy man after seeing such kind of poor black African man butchering a fellow defenseless Zimbabwean.The fact that 3m estimated Zimbabeans live in SA and clash between Foreigners and locals yield another scenario of more projected xenophobic violence in future, living those yielding power and policing powers with no action to take but celebrating such kind of diabolic action .25 May we are celebrating Africa day amid such kind of Mbeki sponsored xenophobic violence

Ho ya!!!! Saze sabangoxotshiwe yonke indawo.Kanti Umkhonto wesiswe wawungagcwalanga kithi na ngesikhathi kulesixokoxoko kibo? Did we not extend our welcome to them and allow them to be part of us when they needed us most. Lamuhla sesiphatha njengezinja. Even okungaboMozambique sokusimbuluzela.EBotswana lamuhla sebekwazi ukuthi bafundile bakhohlwe ukuthi bafunda e Foundation College beloja ngkhaya!!!!Hey kunzima i hope izinto zingalunga sibe sifunde amalesson ngabomakhelwane bethu. Phela even IDRC sabangceda kodwa sebesidla amadiamonds abo bodwa!!!! Abadala bathi kusasa kuyizolo makhi.!

akusiyo misebenzi kaMuntongelakudla leyo, phela londoda angithi naye ungumzulu kutsho phela labobantu ngabakubo? kanti vele ungaphi with his usual mumbo jumbo socio-political analysis???

Into emgimangalisayo yikuthi thina asibandlululi eminye imihlobo ebuya kwamanye amazwe. Babegcwele oBanda baseMalawi, baseZambia, Mozambique, kodwa angizange loma naglinye ilanga ngizwe abantu bekhala ngokuthi basithathela imisebenzi loma abafazi bethu. bebezikhombisela bakhonie babe ngabakhentana bethu sengelandaba. Even wona amaSA sawasiza ngesikhathi sabo somzabalazo.

I hope this is a very good lesson for all the Mthwakazian ukuthi lihlalisane lama Tshona kuhle and Tshonas can come to Bulawayo and do umathanda. This is a war against aliens they say and I mite want to ask abantu laba ukuthi who are aliens?? Phela iJozi ayila mnikazi.

Do not mis-quote me bandla.

Kufanana lalapha konakaCharlie. Angithi bayakhala khathesi ngamaPolish bathi ye basithathela izindlu zethu lemisebenzi yethu.Kodwa abanikazi bamakhampani bathi its bcoz these people are very hard working and doing jobs that the English themselves refuse to do. Bayakhohlwa ukuthi every year there are thousands of Brits emmigrating to other countries. They refuse to accept ukuthi as i memember ye Eu amPolish alemvumo yokubuya la and settle just like they can do the same in Poland if they wanted to. ASA abawaziyo angithi bathi lawo awafuni kusebenza?Vele kodwa kusukisela kudala besikhangelela phansi as if we are their poorer cousin! Sokukhathesi nje that we may be poorer but very educated.

Ya,kwaze kwanzima ukuba ngumZimbabwean,im sure it sounds like a story from a bad movie ma likufunda emaphepheni khonangapho kubo UK labo Canada,kodwa ill tell you ukuthi for thina esise goli yakhona leyo,the magnitude if this thing is bigger than we can even begin to express.If you are in public awusakhulumi, ngoba you fear ukuthi i-accent yakho bazavele bayizwe ukuthi ngeyakomgodoyi,and from then on,the only thing engakusiza yisiqubu,phela amazulu lawa ayahlanya straight!.
The ministers and MP's are busy condemning this thing on TV and in the newspapers,kodwa mina i wonder ukuthi kambe bathini behind closed doors?.There have been certain circles abathi bona into leyi was ochestrated by Buthelezi and his IFP,kodwa its not been confirmed and needless to say,its being whispered,no one has yet had the guts to ask Buthelezi.
Bathi siqeda abafazi lemisebenzi,nxa!,izinja ezingafundanga lezi,phela abafazi bakhona kuthwa balala phansi ngoba bengalala embhedeni lobaba bengamthelela umnyama,and you call those humans!?.

Tell me ukuthi if it was you what were you going to do, a foreigner comes into your country and the perosn is allocated an RDP house and you are denied that priviledge usale uhleli emkhukhwini what would you do??

What would you do if a Tshona person comes to Bulawayo and he is given a low cost house and you are denied that house??? Will you just seat back and say whatever or you will take up arms?

This issue is too complex for us to just condem these guys, kulesisusa, lets dig the root cause and then we might be in a position to analyse the whole fracus. Otherwise as of now singaqambelana amanga.

Phambili ngomzabalazo

Heshi bhudi i hope you are not saying these things bcoz you actually believe ukuthi what ever the situation you condone violence.I hope kuphela u want to argue to be different thats all. Im sure its not entirely true that all immigrants in SA are getting free or government funded housing nilly willy?Even if they were then its not their fault its system that's failing the Sa citizens not the innocent immigrants.I know ukuthi lapha eUk they say exactly the same thing but i know for a fact ukuthi the only time that foreigners are awarded priority housing is when they are refugees and the onus is upon the relevant authorities to house them otherwise you join iwaiting list just like everyone else.The problem ngabantu laba i think yikuthi bajayele ukwenzelwa, they think the whole world owes them and therefore if they dont get things their way they attack their neighbour who seems to have it all. Forget that that neighbour has worked hard. no .... I bet you the pepetrators of this appalling deed ngomatshaya inyoka who have never worked in their entire lives.Ivovo tell me will killing of an innocent being make the gov give these heartless beings the low cost housing they want? I dont think so.

As far as I know this violence is taking place in the slum (emikukwini) where abantu bakithi also live. Unless if I am being misinformed by reports.

Bafowethu.

Whilst I do not in anyway condone VIOLENCE, I would like to add here and say, ALL CREATURES WERE CREATED WITH COMPETITION. IZIDALWA ZONKE ZABEKWA ISIBUNGU SONCINTISWANO. Utsho njalo umbhalo wesintu.

For that reason, when one is threatened with being overcome, they tend to be violent.

Akusikho kithi e SA. Akunani ukuthi sidinga imisebenzi khona.

Historically, our fathers used to go and look for work in SA ngoba amabhunu took them as cheap labour, and the SA citizens demanded FAIR TREATMENT. So a big void created by the SAA STRUGGLE was filled in by our fathers and mothers who were the least interested in the QUARREL OF THE WHITES AND ABENSUNDU in SA.

Today we go to look for work there because there is no work in our own country Mthwakazi. Now that the NEW South Afrikans are prepared to take those jobs, they find themselves "UNQUALIFIED" and that creates resentment. IT IS THEIR COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DESTROY IT IF THEY WISH.

Esimele sizibuze khona okwamanje is: WHAT IS TO BE DONE?????

Li Zwangendaba.

yebo mthakathi bebezikhombisela. umbuzo uthi wona, ukukhombisa lokukhonjwa kwabo lokhu akusikho na yezinye yezinto ezincuncu ezixegise uluntu lwesintwini? refer to strategy yabetshabi of sending their boys ukuzomithisa odawethu hence reducing the mthwakazi population?

uDavid Ndoda kwenye yezikondlo zakhe titled "Sifazane Sakithi", ukubeka sobala ukuthi isizwe yisizwe ngesifazane saso!!

We may be at the receiving end but subtract the shonas, kunini sabangama-border jumper asikaze sihlaselwe eSA.

i sincerely fill the SA citizens have a case. if they are to be as weak as we the Ndebeles did back home, then they might soon lose their identity like we have lost ours to the shona people back home!

i stand to be corrected.

if we are to talk africa day and consequently embrace every african in our homes just like that, then i see no reason why we should be screaming for a Mthwakazi republic.

All i am pointing out is lento eyenzeke eSA is not wrong. But Mthwakazians should learn from it ukuthi thats what we should be doing to protect our land, our culture, our woman, etc le koBulawayo!!

yebo mbaleki.

ukuhlalisana kuhle lomakhelwane yinto eqakathekileyo sibili, kodwa ungabona umakhelwane esengena endlini yakho esidla edlini yakho, esembatha ingubozakho nanzelela.

loba uyisilima esifuna ukuphekelwa kanye lokusetshenzelwa, akutsho ukuthi umakhelwane ngoba esenelisa ukuzenzela sokufanele akwemuke okungokwakho.

this is exactly how we lost iMat'land to the Shona people.

We Ndebele's are just too receptive!!!

Lets learn from SA and go Home and do the same!!!


KOze Kubenini???

Angivumelani labafowethu abathi south africans are right by killing other people to defend their identity. People should remember that we now live in a global village, civilised world, we are not in the dark world anymore. We do not belong to the banana republic. Singabantu silemilomo siyathetha. Ngakho ukubulalana in the name of defending identity is completely in human and out of order. Abantu abatshaya becitha igazi belong behind bars. They have no place in the morden society, this applies to people who spread hatred in different forms e.g. hard core tribalist, we should tell them in their faces that they are sick people mentally. Abantu abahlalisane regardless of differences and ethnicity. Shame to those people who think violence is a way of preserving your identity, tribe and nationality.This is the time people should be talking about peace among human race. We have evolved. Let us tolarate each other and leave together bantu bakithi. Amazulu akakhumbule ukuthi umdabuko wethu uyafana. Singabantu banye, singomakhelwane Mazulu.

I think maybe we are getting sidetracked a little by our hatred for shonas and all that .Remember ukuthi eSA kuledifferent tribes and they are not killing other SA and demanding that Alexander is for the Zulus and the Xhosa must get out etc. We are completely losing focus and allowing our tribal blinkers to obscure the honest truth ukuthi its inhumane to kill. I advise that we donot try and do this KoBulawayo coz sizabulawa nguMgabe all over again bakithi. HAve we not learnt yini ukuthi conflict brings us nothing but trouble? Singathwala izikhali sithi we want Shonas out of Bulawayo do you seriously think we can win that battle? I know that you know that they will beat us to submission again just like before. Wise up people maybe you all should be advocating ukuthi fight this battle yenu kaMthwakazi interllectually maybe then you stand a chance.

Anyway kanti why lingaqali ngokupatula aboBanda laboPhiri kwenu ? Then people will take you seriously coz as you are all saying its ok to kill any immigrant if you cant get a job and they do.And then coz awukhonjwanga uPhiri wakhonjwa kill him twice over. You wonder ukuthi awukhonjwa when you havent got a job????You wont work emanda or ukubangugarden boy is so uPhiri usengafela khonokho? Come on bobhudi wobaniserious.

Noma
Angivumelani nawe dade, kungani uthi silenzondo, kungani uthi sizonda amaTshona? Kulokhu okubhalileyo utshengise ukungajulisi umcabango, uphelela oqweqweni nje. Kungani ubeka ukuthi ekuqaleni sathatha izikhali amaTshona asitshaya into submission. When was that?, i suspect you are talking about gukurahundi, its a shame if you think that gukurahundi was a war. Yibuwula njalo yibuthengisi lobo. There never was a time esabathwalela izikhali basitshaya and lokho akungeke kwenzeka vele.

l ealier hinted that more xenophobic attacks will takes its course and sad scenes still being perpetuated amongst Zimbabweans in Desploot and another slum town which l cannot remember.

IF the truth has to set pple free , then Mbeki has to be blamed for, through his myopic assertion failed to forsee that crisis in Zim will eventually spill into otherside of zim.

Mtha,
Into engenza ngithi lizonda amashona yikuthi likhuluma ngokuthi the violence against foreigners in SA is ok coz they are protecting their land unlike Ndebeles who 'have failed to keep shonas out of Bulawayo'.My question to you still stands why are you not kicking out the Phirirs and Bandas first? In SA they want to kicking out immigrants.... not xhosa or vendas... etc.Are shonas more foreign to Bulawayo than someone from Malawi or Mozambique????
Kungasenani do you honestly think that you can defeat UMgabe shuwa? How many Shonas are in Zim compared to the Ndebeles?How much of the armed forces is made up of Ndebeles? Who is in power and in control of the country's most effective weapons?Its a none starter bhudi!

Ukutsho kanjani ukuthi silenzondo kodwa thina sikwazi ukuhlalisana lamaTshona koBulawayo? Ukutsho kanjani lokho, such careless and myopic statements have no place in a civilised discorse. Angikholwa ukuthi ukhona umuntu othi ukuhlukunyezwa kwabantu eSA kulungile. Abantu babekile ukuthi bacabanga ukuthi izizathu zokuhlukunyezwa kwabantu zingabe ziyiziphi hatshi ukthi bavumelana lokuhlukunyezwa kwabantu.
Umbuzo wami kuwe dade yilowu, which military wing was stronger, more disciplened and more trained betwen iZIPRA le ZANLA. Empini amanumbers aqakathekile kodwa awatsho ukunqoba. Ungazeyisi ube usufuna wonke umuntu azibukele phansi njengawe. Uma uzeyisa ziyeyise endlini yakho kube yikuphela.

This whole Zinophobia issue is a whole lot bigger than you understand,abafazi bayaba raper,they forcefully take property from anyone they think is foreign,they have even gone to the extent yokuxotsha ama-pedi lama-xhosa,and some of you have the audacity to try and make this whole thing sound as if it is justifiable?,you sit in front of your expensive computers khonapho e-UK,safe in the knowledge that no one is going to barge into your bedroom and rape your wife and your daughter while you watch,and you want to make it sound as if ku right,i beg to differ.Dont get me wrong,im not saying ukuthi ama zimbabwean ase goli have a right to be there,im just saying ukuthi they could have at least been given a warning ukuthi bazoyenza ubugebengu obunje,most people would have preferred to go home than be subjected to this inhumane treatment.Its not like ama zimbabwean aqale ukufika egoli izolo,kudala abantu bebuya egoli.The whole seems a bit premeditated,if for one second you think it was spontaneous thing,you are very wrong,these people have been mobilised by some higher political power,maybe IFP,or some organisation called SANCO,kodwa bottom line is into le iwrong. we have left the whole shona thingt for too long,and we cant just budge into Bulawayo,guns blazing and start killing every shona in sight,i like to believe we are a bit more civil than that,kodwa make no mistake,siyawazonda amashona lawo futhi ayazi,but its complicated,lest we be likened to these uneducated,myopic,ignorant,foolhardy cousins of ours okuthwa ngamazulu,we will deal with the shona issue less vehemantly.

Mbaleki i doubt very much that the IFP has that clout or support in Goli to do such kind of a thing. Buthelezi is known and has publicly defended the Mthwakazi people who are in South Africa. Why would he do such a thing? Ngisola ukuthi Inkatha imane ibhadwe ngodaka njengento engayenzanga. The hatred of foreigners by South Africans is not confined in one tribe. Most South Africans hate foreigners, ngokuzwa kwami kuthiwa abantu abazonda amaforeigners kakhulu eGoli ngaBeSotho lamaPedi.
Mbaleki, uyizwe kuphi into yokuthi sekuxotshwa lama Xhosa lamaPedi. Angiyikholwa ke leyonto mina.

Uphambene, how dare you think people do not care about what is going on in South Africa, how dare do you think we are not worried that women are being raped, how dare for you to think that it will not hurt Mthwakazi as a whole if your wife and daughter are raped in front of you, how dare you think any member of Mthwakazi is not shocked, ufuna siyenzeni.

Go toBulawayo with guns blazing, that is the only option stand for something

Those who stand for nothing fall for anything, Alexander Hamilton said those words.

Swina's make a third of the southern africa region and yet they want to rule the entire place,they want to impose they langauge whenever they go am quite sure the taxi drives of alex have had enough of isilungu.The shona don't make an effort to learn other languages secondly under the mugabe governance they have learned to be very deceiptful to such an extent one can only loath them. I lived ematshotshombeni for years learnt tsonga,sotho and totsi tal and never had problems with oguluvu nor the taxi drivers. It's a pit they have brought a lot of problems to ebantwini be singunini who have lived ematshotshombeni for so long.

Lalela la wena Xabuxabu,ungabothi umuntu ma elombono ongafani nowakho ube usu siba offended,mfanakithi,yebo ngingabe ngiwrong ngezinye izinto engizikhulumayo(and that is debatable),kodwa that doesnt in any way give you the right to say ukuthi "ngiphambene",i could retaliate and start a war of senseless profane words with you kodwa my mother taught me better than that mfanakithi,in every argument mfo,you should use soft words and hard points,wena lapha you are just name calling and basically not telling me anything i dont know,sebenzisa ingqondo not inhliziyo,that way you mantain an absolute level of objectivity,not this immature subjectivity olayo,so you really think we should go to Bulawayo with guns blazing?

Ukuthi sokuxotshwa abaye bobo ngizwe ngomunye umjida ohlala khonale e-alex,apparently ba-rape lomunye ususi womxhosa ngoba ebethethwe ngumuntu wase khaya,but its heresay,so angingeke ngithi ngi 100% sure ngakho,uyabona eminye imihlobo ingabe izonda amazimbabwean kodwa ayitshengiseli njengamazulu,besides wona amazulu ayehlukene,lawa awegoil awanankinga,but lawa awe natal/durban,ungadlaleli kuwo,ayakubulala.There was a time ngama 90's when this zulu guy(i cant remember his name) was minister of home affairs,he initiated "iskhukhula",and yena self wayehamba etown ekhombela abantu that didnt look like south africans,so they just might be pushing the masses inti action.

yebo mbaleki, my question(s)to is, Where those white farmers given a warning during the Farm invasions which saw most of them being butchered?

where the Ndebeles given a warning that the north korean trained fifth brigade would be coming for them?

if the answer to the above is a NO, then i say to you, for as long as you wish to preserve your culture, what happened in SA is exactly what people should do!!!

yes killing of innocent beings at times does pay. a living example is the massacre of innocent ndebeles that paid handsomely to the shona people. today many shonas are proud owners of low cost housing in mat'land not to mention farm land kuboNyamandlovu, etc.........

Steve Tshwete was not a zuluboy my friend , you are mistaken here.

uxolo mfowethu,kutsho ukuthi i got my facts mixed up

Unjani Mthakathi27.

Ke ngikuhlephulele kancane ngepsych yamaSouth Africans ngokwazi kwami: Ngivumelana lawe ukuthi SA generally hate foreigners.I sisusa kuyini, impendulo i complex kodwa can be derived from their immediate history.Ukucwasana ngemihlobo lokweyisana kuvele kuyingxenye yabo.iApartheid is to blame.I homeland system is to blame kakhuu ngoba yayidala i 'teritorialism'. I can not point a finger to anyone as a causer of this violence.
.i IFP is very capable of doing that.l lived in SA pre and post '94 and l witnessed impi yezitimeleni iNkatha ibophele amaqhele abonvu isidla ubhedu, igwaza njalo iphosa abantu ngamawindi izitimela sihamba.Banengi abafela ezitimeleni ngenxa yokungazi ukuthi indololwane yini ngesiZulu.

Ngabe uyazikhumbula na izimpi zase KATHORUS kumbe ngithi Katlegong/Thokoza/Voolorus ngaseEast Rand.
iBoibatong masecre eyaze yaculwa nguBrenda uyayikhumbula na. Who were the players? Those were the bloodiest black on black violence you can ever imagine. Kuliqiniso ukuthi iIFP has a political clout e Gauteng.Actually it has only 2 provinces to hope for ie KZN and Gauteng. Ngo 1994 yayibhekelele ukuthi izobusa iGauteng ngelishwa yafeyila.Yasinyonkoloza thina abakaMzilikazi esasiGoli isithi sisapote i ANC. Ungaze usikhulume njani isiZulu ma ungasimZulu uyisilwanyana(animal) emehlweni abo.Thus why iNkatha is practically designed for umZulu phaqa.

U Gatsha angimkhumbuli 'publicly defending Mthwakazi people' or extending his hand to us,either as a political leader, traditional leader/prince royal yakwaZulu lapho okuphuma khona u Mzilikazi and most importantly as Minister of Home affairs for 10 years.Ngabe uyayazi i Bulawayo na? I ANC yizo eyazi uNkomo,iZAPU,iZIPRA, bangakutolikela ngezimpi zase Zimbabwe like eSipolilo ngoba they took part.

AmaPedi lamaSuthu, ngiyabaphikela,they dont have iculture yo dlame khona bele xhenophobia njengabobonke.Lezinkokhelizabo angiziboni ezilesikhathi sokuphehlelela into enje.
Leyo eyokuxotshwa kwamaPedi lamaXhoza hatshi ayizwakali sibili.
Lami ngifana labantu bonke angazi ukuthi luphumaphi loludlame ungathi uNkulunkulu engathela umoya abantu baphephe..

Previous minister of Home Affairs obedila ngama id and migration nguMangosuthu 'Gatsha' Buthelezi.NgumZulu phaqa lo.I post yakhe yathathwa ngu Nosiviwe Mapisa Nqgakula.
Previous minister of Safety and Security obedila ngamapolisa ngu Steve Tshwete ipost yakhe yathathwa ngu Charles Ngqakula the huby to Nosiviwe.NgamaXhosa buthathu babo laba.

NB :Amapolisa are not under ministry of HA

Isikhukhula ngabe besiqhutshwa yi xminister of HA or xminister of SS?

Nfowethu , Isikhukhula sasiqhutshwa ngu Steve Tshwete , the xminister of Safety & Security . I say so because i personally met him during the operation isikhukhula in 90s at Berea ( JHB ) in front of one of the common Zimbabweans residential place (flat) called Helderburg . He was within the members of SAPS going identifying and pin pointing where he wanted his operation to target the most . One to two years after that he was assassinated .

Yes Bathwalibophahla , uGatsha ( IFP leader )was once a minister of Home Affairs BUT was not the one in the fore front of the 90s Isikhukhula .

This wave is suspiciously zonal..see how its gone quiet in Mamelodi.. it hasn't got to soweto yet, so this coming weekend the fight goes to Soweto....Africa will never get it right...at least not in our generation....do people understand that over 50% of the companies employing our people are non-SA firms???? Globalisation will pass us by while we sleep....how many of us have a cousin brother, friend employed by an African from north of our borders? my guess is at least one......these guys know hardship and tehy know opportunity if they see it... dont get me wrong..some foreigners do commit crime, either as foreign run groups, or in collusion with locals...but to persecute a woman with a 2 year old kid (I can hear you say ingane yenyoka uma isikhulile nayo iba yinyoka, a snake breeds snakes) for our troubles, and sending them back to th every politicians whom our own economically and politically advantaged gvt is failing to bring to line through international embargoes an dsport bans at least is totally insane. Jews came to SA, Greeks came to SA, Russians are flocking in (Perculiarly Swazis and Sothos from those two nations are not being harrassed) ...and as they are not shona, shangaan or any non black foreigners..tehy are not persecuted (Not that they should) but as the Jewish have proven in the US, these people do become productive and feel as part of th elandscape and want to contribute positively.....they are also human their kind will be tempted to commit crime, as our own are... Come on World Hold On.. One day you will have to answer to the children of the future........

Ignorance is a serious syndrome in a societal discourse. How dare could these shallow , narrow, litlle and semi literate South Africans unleash wave of terror when Africa is about to host ever lingered 2010 WORLD CUP.

I think these guys are not shallow minded, they have done their maths and know that they will not eat World Cup 2010. What they want is a better life not to be chucked out or their RDP houses by foreigner who are corrupt. If I was in their shoes, I will be advocating for that. People should go and make sure that their countries are as prosperous as South Africa rather than ukuthi beze eGoli to overcrowd the locals. The locals are affected by this influx of aliens, their wages are being cut because of the competition for jobs with foreigners who are prepared to get amazambane for imisebenzi.

Mina ngithi phambili ngomzabalazo. By calling these people brainless I think we are missing the point. There were promises that were made by the government and 14 years nothing has been done, people are still living emkhukhwini. The government must do something about this.

World Cup or No World cup the person who is in Alex will not benefit. That person will not even be in a position to go watch the soccer matches so to him its not priority right now. Bread and butter issues must be addresses. World Cup 2010 is a luxury we from Alex can forego it.

Ivovo
I did ask you before what really it was with you and you could not answer me , instead you said mangicace kukanti wena nguwe okwakufanele ucace. All along ubuvele ungazwakali lapha enkundleni ukuthi uvela ngaphi uyangaphi. Yini, uligwala oro kanjani? Something has always been a bit off with you. Kukanti ndoda kuhle ma ungaphumela egcekeni utshele umphakathi lokho oyikhona. Kunjenje besingazi kumbe ungumfazi loba uyindoda. Imbono ehlukeneyo ivunyelwe kodwa ma ulwisa abantu ubafisela okubi kubikabi lokho. Ngcono sehlukane ndoda ngoba vele ingqondo yesitshoneni asihambelani layo. Uyabona manje ubulwisana labantu ngama telephone numbers kufonelwa izanu, you lied, ucatsha ngomunwe uthi ukufonela izanu akusebenzi, you were only rationalising your hatred of Mthwakazi. Manje mfo ungcolile emcabangweni yakho. These days we dont condone brutality even to animals. You call killing of humans prosperity? You are not serious jaha.

You do not condone even killing of animals, then animals shall rule you, those who kill rule, there is America, Mugabe, all the same kill a man physically or kill him spiritually, Mugabe is physical a white man spiritually, a white man will telkl you that you are stupid he is smart and the expert and then expertly show you how to give your wealth and soul to him, same shit, baba, choose between life and death, are you going to let animals trample upon you, the pick up that spear in the mind, fight for your life, if you refuse to fight for your life you do not deserve it the animals will take it away from you, and pity you will give it to them.

The notion that I am against Mthwakazi is just but unfounded because not only Mthwakazians are affected by these attacks. Aliens as a whole are affected maybe the Mthwakazians are a bit lucky in the sense that they know ukuthi indololwane yini ngesiZulu kumbe ukuthi imbuzi yini ngesiZulu. Tshonas, Tshanganis, and other Kwerekweres are the most affected. So for someone to say I am against Mthwakazi is just but wishfull thinking. Its only that some people have illusions that imibono yabo should stand. For local South Africans, its not far for them not to get these RDP houses when foreigners are given these cheap structures. 2010 can come and go but getting a house in an African country is not an easy task so I am of the opinion that these local South Africans should forego these 2010 thing if need be.

The issue of calling Zanu thugs I guess those who called now realise what some of us were talking about ukuthi its waste of resources coz they do not care. What have you achieved by calling? I guess people should think before they act.

Ivovo is right, but remember they might call you Mkwarekwre, bona bayiziphandle, not part of greatness, not part of the promise, do not be psychologically beaten, Mkwerekwere, what the hell are are they, what could they ever achieve without whites, but it is the land the whites gave to them rightfully yours, Transvaal from pretoria nortjh is historically part of Matabeleland, yiziphandle, qinisani, you know the solution to the universe if you wre not greedy for immediate gains, icansi them,, yiziphandle, lina linguphakathi, even if we have nothing, we have what we are, 20 zulu's vs 1 ndebele, let them think about the future, will we die, will we win, leave them, let them think, if they come like the ANC in the 50's in the future tell them to get lost they can not be trusted, tell them to go with their white God, yiziphandla, lina lingo phakathi, icansi them.

Bafowethu, believe you can be a wonder of this world, leave them alone, believe you can create spaceships, laser technology, nuclear physics, alternative energy, you are great, you are the best if you try, if you believe, you do not need them, you helped them in the 1960's when they had nobody, don't beg them, leave them, that economy is very complex, leave them, they will be slaughtering each other in less than 20 years, protect ZULU AND nDEBELE IF YOU CAN, THEY WILL SLAUGHTER EACH OTHER, BELIEVE ME, i've been around, nobody will mourn their slaughter, not even the white men they worship, Mzilikazi called whites dogs, just like his son lobengula, these ones worship, yiziphandle, worship and forget your blood, they than Swaziland, Lesotho, Botswana, Namibia, but who helped thme the most it was ZAPU, they are just animals, have you ever seen a gratefull dog, it just eats, they thanked everybody but ZAPU, 1979 we gave them a train load of arms, a train, they can not even say thank you, leave them, yiziphandle, just like an Ethiopian, or a Chadian, they are nothing to you, 1979 a train load of ZAPU arms left Lusaka for Luanda, arms we could have used against Mugabe, but Nkomo wanted a united Africa. Yiziphandle, next time you meet them talking amongst yourself tell the they are yiziphandle, when they ask what is that, tell them it is somebody who is not a Mthwakazi, finish, have some pride.

Remember like them Mugabe went to the white God were is Zimbabwe, were will South Africa be, the whites will just take their money to Europe, China is now the biggest gold producer, let them show off, they do not understand, but uMthwakazi understands, from toaday until a thousand years, yiziphandle, vuma, vuma ngwala, yiziphandle, even in a 1000 years remind them how comes you never attacked a white foreigner, remind them its because they thought he was a God, yiziphandle, thula, teach your children who you are.

OH - "YES WE CAN"

Thanx cabucabu

Bafowethu,
Ukuhlukunyezwa kwabantu kubuhlungu. It is heartbreaking that such atrocities are happening in a country I call home by people I call my countrymen, my kinfolk.
Firstly, let me be clear, though I am a relative outsider on this forum I admire the peolpe who are a part of this forum. If only for the fact that you all are forward thinking Africans. It shows that there is a chance that we can overcome the colonialists because although we are "free" we aren't 100% rid of the effects of the "white" man and his tricks.
I am a proud umZulu, I have a home in "rural" Zululand in Natal.( Interestingly I pay homage to abaKhwanazi oVeyane the same people of the person you all know as "Umuntuongenakudla") but because of the times I have to seek employment in the city. I am not the exception. I haven't killed anyone latelty. I haven't raped anyone's sister lately. I haven't robbed anyone of their home and sundry either. Does this mean that I am not umZulu?
I know that when you under attack it sometimes feels like everyone is against you, believe me 14 years is a short time to forget where we come from! I can still recall apartheid with clear, graphic precision. It would be convenient if you could package people e.g. all Indians are unscrupulous deviants who'll rob you blind if you don't read the fine print ( just like Gandhi!) and all amaZulu wear red bandanas, support the IFP and drive taxis ( just like Jacob Zuma!) I hope you can see the point I'm trying to make.
I think as Africans we should be trying to ask where this animosity is coming from because I don't think that any African organisation would gain from such practises. The current ANC leadership is made up of the same individuals who were cared for by our neighbouring countries so it wouldn't make sense to them to chuck out the people who saved their lives. Hence many of the leaders have been outspoken in condeming the violence. At this sensitive stage in the life of the ANC the party doesn't need the negative attention. With the change in party leadership all eyes are on the ANC to look for any signs of instability. The global money movers need to see that the ANC isn't steering SA into any ice bergs for them to invest. By the same token the IFP has also been outspoken on condeming the violent attack on our African brothers. If I'm not mistaken after the first bout of attacks the IFP national spokeperson went out on air to warn peolpe not to take things at face value and believe that a single ethnic group or political party was to blame. In hindsight I think the IFP was worried that they would be dragged into this. Interestingly, off the topic, the IFP leader was described as a warlord in a history textbook being studied at schools this year. Needless to say the party is not amused. The IFP is desperately trying to change their image for next years elections because they have lost a lot of support in their traditional bases. It would be a backward step for them to be associated to the violence as well.
I've been longwinded and rather scattered in thought but the point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions and be quick to assign blame. We here in SA were exposed to 3rd force operatives. They were adept at ensuring that the ANC and IFP kicked the crap out of each other. So some of us have learnt not to take things at face value but to attempt to get the facts free of emotion and hearsay no matter how difficult.
In closing, to those of my brothers on this forum who feel that amaZulu are degenerate life forms, learn to address the individual. Just like as in your immediate family you have a million differences a nation is the same. It is rather shortsighted and limited to believe that a nation is a repetition of a few individuals who have crossed your path.
Let us all work together to stop this behaviour because it will destroy us all if we allow it to make us point fingers and call each other names.

Not to be divisive in these times of xenophobia and the Jacob Zuma and Thabo Mbeki camps, but there is a popular belief that, much like Afrikaners, Zulu and Xhosa folk can’t be bothered to engage others in their mother tongue.
No one knows just yet who’s worse between the 100% Zulus and the Xhosanistas — the accolade for arrogance is still being contested. But really though, when did Zulu and Xhosa become the lingua franca?
Generations scriptwriters should get a golden star for effort. In recent times I’ve noticed how different characters in the soapie have expanded their vocabulary to speak a number of African languages, including Afrikaans.
For example, the woman in charge, Karabo Moroka (Connie Ferguson), often greets and wars with S’busiso Dlomo (Menzi Ngubane) in smatterings of Zulu. And not so long ago we were entertained by Grace’s mother (Helene Lombard) when she delivered a plausible performance as a coloured woman from Cape Town who speaks Xhosa, Afrikaans and English. And even baddie Kenneth Mashaba (Seputla Sebogodi) has on a number of occasions duelled in Shaka’s language and spoken lovingly in Verwoerd’s.
There’s just one snag — it seems the language stream is flowing one way.
If my memory serves me correctly, I’ve never heard characters whose main language is Zulu attempt to be multilingual. Why doesn’t Ngamla (Menzi Ngubane) attempt to say something civil or horrible to the other characters in their mother tongue, I’ve often wondered?
One, of course, could argue that it wouldn’t be believable if say, a character like Khetiwe (Winnie Ntshaba) who started off as a farm girl from KwaZulu-Natal was suddenly to wax lyrical in Sepedi. But it wouldn’t be a bad idea if Paul Mashaba (Siyabonga Twala), who has a Pedi brother in the make-believe world, could actually utter a word in Sepedi, instead of always communicating in Zulu.
It does send a terrible message when all the Zulu-speaking characters don’t even attempt to converse in any of the other 10 official languages. It says that the Nguni tribe’s lingo is superior and that other languages enjoy an inferior status.
But to lay all of this on Generations’ doorstep would be disingenuous. The problem is deeper — the soapie is merely imitating reality.
Have you ever noticed how, say, a Venda or Sotho, is more likely to be multilingual? One might blame it on the Mfecane/ Diaspora or that other tribes are much smaller, that the Ngunis (because of their sheer numbers) by default, enjoy more space in the media and the government platform.
Ive also observed how the Sothos in the office are more interested in other languages, while felt this is not reciprocated. I’ve also noticed that if two Tswanas get into a taxi, not knowing that they are from the same clan, they are more likely to chat in Zulu, even though they are both struggling to express themselves.

My experiences are Pedis are worse than Zulus when it comes to these language issues. If you talk to the person in English or isiNdebele, they reply you in their Pedi language laloba ungamazisa ukuthi awusitholi kahle leso Sipedi bakushaya ngaso angazi ukuthi babunjwa njani laba bantu.

Tribalism emzansi is there even though people might want to hide by this rainbow thing, itribalism ihlabile, thats the reason why Xhosas are presidents

I turn to differ with you I grew up in Evaton in the Vaal Triangle and i grew up with Sothos, Shangaans/Tsongas, Zulu and Xhosas at Home we spoke Zulu but my friend I can speak, Sotho, Pedi Tswana, Xhosa Fluently and I'm trying to be fluent in Venda and Shangaan, but where I currently live in Sasolburg the are was mostly dominated by Sothos, they don't even try to utter one word in Zulu when i first came here i was classified as leqhotsa because they could tell a difference between Xhosa and Zulu I always asked how can i differentiate between Sotho, Tswana and Pedi,it's upon an individual.