Bandla mina ngilenkinga lapha. Ngizwe kuthiwa umbuso we Zulu ususondele manje ngifuna ukuthi ngitholakale lami ngisembusweni we zulu hashi esihogweni manje angazi ukuthi ngiqondephi njengoba inkolelo zinengi kanje. Ngihambe kweyamakatolika, amaprotestani, amazayoni, amamozlemu, noma kwashembe, ngiphelelwe bafethu. Ngicela ongangitshela ngechurch estrayithi, hashi ethanda imali njalo ngifuna ezangingenisa embusweni wezulu. Sizani bantu.

Woz`eZioni lesambatho sakho sizokuphorofitha sitshay` idresi.

Ngiyakuzwa Makhokhoba,into engizayitsho yileyi.Angiyazi inkonzo ezakungenisa ezulwini kodwa Umdali wakho OnguNkulunkulu, ngegama lika Jesu owasifela esiphambanweni uzolingena izulu Amen.Vuma izono zakho ucele zithethelelwe,uzalwe kutsha ubusuzama sibili ukuthi uhambe ngendlela.Akulula lokho njalo ungeke ukwenze wedwa ungelawo amandla njalo avele kuye.Funda ibhayibhili nsuku zonke lizokutshela okunye ongakwaziyo.Uthandaze njalo futhi Makhokhoba ungayekeli uzabona kuzoqala ukuvuleka izindlela uze wethuke ukuthi kungani ubungathandazi sonke lesi sikhathi.Ngiyafisa ukuthi uma kungenzeka sixoxe ngoba kunengi angeke ngikubhale konke lapha.Kodwa ke isiqokoqela sendaba yikwazi ukuthi Unkulunkulu ukhona njalo indodana yakhe uJesu yasifela ukuze thina sisile.Ngomthandazo njalo uzakukhokhela kuleyo nkozo oyidingayo.Ngizoma lapha,inhlanhla kuwe.nb just a short verse
God is faithful.Serve him faithfully and he will provide for all your needs." [quote)[i]You will keep in perfect peace him whose mind is steadfast,because he trusts in you" Isaiah 26;3.

Mfowethu mina ngikuxwayisa ukuthi thandaza ucele ukuthi uNkulunkulu akwambulele isonto lapho ozenelisa khona ukumkhonza okomoya leqiniso ube likholwa eliqinileyo enkosini.

Have you tried the African Religion? UMvelingqangi uykudinga, njalo uyakunxusa, iza ekhaya, thethela amadlozi, phila unaphakade.

Yes i have tried that as well

tshiyana lezinto zamadlozi ndoda uzekweyamaKrestu, ngicela uthenge iBhayibhili ufunde iNew Testament , impilo yakho izontshintsha! Jesus loves you!!! It doesnt matter which church you go to as long as you believe that Jesus is the Christ and you use the Bible to guide you in all that you do. May the Lord be with you. Amen!!!

Bafowethu.

Isibhali esibuzayo lapha sithi, "LOOKING FOR A TRUE RELIGION".

Omunye amqondise ngombono wakhe njengabo bonke, engazange EYISA ezinye indlela zokukhonza.

Kodwa nangu omunye useqala umbango ngokuthuka abanye athi, Ngicindezele>>> "tshiyana lezinto zamadlozi"<<< ngime ukucindezela.

PHOKE THINA SIKUPHENDULE SITHINI NXA UZAKUTHI UKHOKHOLOGA BETHU NGO KUYIZINTO?????

Bamba izinja zakho mfowethu.

Li Zwangendaba.

Funa iqiniso ebhayibhilini ubusudinga ibandla elifundisa leloqiniso.

Hamba eNjelele, uzokuthola okwakho. ungalalela kahle eNjelele bazokutshele ngomoya, into enikeza amadlozi amandla, khonzumoya, bebeyesaba, uzozwisisa kanjani umoya, bathi ncela idlozi, umoya uphakathi kwakho, bizumoya, wabizumoya uMzilikazi, uzwile ukuthi uyenzeni, bathi Hlabezulu.

UMnewethu uqinisile, buya ezayoni siyotshaya idress.

Sorry my friend, its just that i am a devout Christian and I have been mandated by our Lord Jesus Christ to spread his message. I grew up with a mixture of ukuthethelela amadlozi/abaphansi nayo yonke imikhuba yokukhonza kwesintu, and Christianity. For me, Christianity is the true religion. Please read the New Testament and see how Paul convinces many people who were Gentiles and pagans that Jesus is the Christ. Maybe you can also still be converted, if not then good luck but know that Jesus loves you very much. Makhokhoba , come to Christ and you will find the truth you have long been searching for. Abamadlozi ngicela lingixolele ngoba nani ngiyanithanda, ngisuka khona phela ngingumuntu omnyama nami kodwa i am now satisfied where I am , in the house of our Lord Jesus Christ. May the Lord bless you all! AMEN!!!

Sanibonani nonke bafowethu kwezenkolo.
Bongani, mfowethu, uma ubheka ngesingawe ukhona yini umehluko phakathi kwenkolelo yomuntu nobuntu bakhe? Ikhona yini indlela yokuhlukanisa uthi "mina ngiphila ngalendlela kodwa ngikhonza emaRomeni noma eZion" Ngenye indlela ngibuza umehluko phakathi kwesiko nenkolo. Ukhona yini umuntu onganesiqiniseko sokuthi yena uyakwazi ukuhlukanisa lezi zinto zombili.
Mina angasiyena umuntu ozibiza ngekholwa futhi ngimanqikanqika ukuthi ngingumkrestu. Ngabajadiswa, ngaba yisikhonzi nowami umndeni ngawukhulisa kanjalo. Kodwa safika isikhathi lapho engazibuza ukuthi yini lento okuthiwa "yinkolo".
Lesisenzo sokumukela isidlo emasontweni siyini uma singelona usiko lwamaJuda. Kuningi okunye okungathi uma usukufakela izibuko nakho ubone ukuthi amasiko amajuda enziwa yisizwe samaJuda.
Ngabe yinhloso yoMdali ukuthi ezinye izizwe zilahle ubuntu bazo egameni lakhe? Wayengenzi ngani amaJuda wodwa angawadali amaNdebele namaZulu namaNdiya nkanjalo?

Mfowethu akula true religion. Your question is an oxymoron as it is impossible for a religion to be true as there is no GOD. GOD is a human construct to explain the inexplicable(for now) such as creation etc. It is only a matter of time before science explains these things based on evidence. Khumbula ukuthi uGalelio was villified by the Christians(Roman Catholics) for suggesting that the earth revolves around the sun! A fact which is now taught to primary school children - so it shall be with the origins of life etc.

As for ukuya esihogweni ungesabi. Nxa ungafa uzabuyela lapho owawukhona ungakazwala - you will simply be dead i.e. no longer there. The spectrer of hell is a lie a number of religions use to SCARE people into their organisations - and for those who are not scared the lure of immortality in heaven does the trick.

The reason you have tried a number of churches and not been satisfied that they are the 'true religion' is simple - there are none!

Ngizakuma lapha okwakhathesi.

So you mean to tell ukuthi ireligion is the opium for people Swagwagwa

My brother why bother yourself chasing amadlozi. They where never able to help themselves by attaining eternal life. They prey on people threatening them and need this and that from you in order to do this and that. amadlozi are dead spirits with no eternal life. They will all burn in the lake of fire at the last day.

Mate look up at the sun, pure logic should tell you that the sun is not eternal. therefore there is an end to that which we see. Observe again especially thina amaAfricans we have seen amadlozi and they are real. Logic should tell you that amadlozi dont have a clue about eternal life they depend on inhabiting human bodies. What happens when there will be no more humans being born then what will happen to amadlozi? Simple deduction tells us amadlozi are creatures spirits and are not God.

Now after you see amadlozi this should tell us that we humans also must continue to exist beyond the grave. Study humans and our quest for justice should tell you that Our creator must and will in the end bring all humans to judgement.

So ultimately if ever you can hope for a continual existence in peace this is only possible through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the only human being who came and demonstrated fully that he is God himself. He said that any human being who refuses that he is the True beggotten of God, thus he is equally God will spend eternity in the lake of fire to burn continually forever.

So my brother to have eternal life worship Jesus Christ and your sins are forgiven of you no matter what type or state of life you have. Its useless to struggle to live a life in riches yet spend eternity in hell. Yes Jesus Christ is the living God and yes amadlozi do exist but life is only in Christ forever Amen.

Actually you can curse amadlozi and actually Jesus Christ curses amadlozi anyway. However if anyone curses The Spirit of Jesus Christ you will never ever ever will be forgiven of all your sins ever. I know that abatwasayo they have amadlozi wabo beaten up and trained by other madlozi this shows the foolishness of worshipping vile crude spirits. Worship God who is all powerful.

Sawubona Welly egameni lenkosi (whichever!). Yehlisa umoya mntakababa sengathini usuvumela inhliziyo yakho ukuthi ikulawule kakhulu.
Ngokwazi kwami amadlozi axhumanisa abantu noMvelinqange abalingani. Omunye angathi kuhle kwabancwele (saints) "noNkulunkulu".
Insindiso, kwelamakrestu, ayinqatshwela muntu mntakababa. Uma uJesu lona wena othi unguNkulunkulu akwazi "ukuxolela" ofeleba wena ungubani ongatshena thina ukuthi asizoze sasindiswa? Nalo leliBhayibheli ungakhohla ukuthi libhalwe ephepheni elakhandwa ngezandla zabantu!

Welly wena ohlongitshwayo, sorry Baba, into ka Christo leyo hatshi people started believing in it when the white men won with his guns. If Muslims had guns you would be a Musslim right now talking of the true Allah, umuntu omnyama unjalo, uhamba lalo otshayile. Christ only to claim true God, hatshi mfowethu, uChristo yena ubelingisela uHorus, http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm Christs claims have never been unique, uShaka claimed to have been assisted by God, Ceasar claimed to be a descened of the God's, of Jupiter and Venus his ancestors, no Christs claims are not unique. The Egyptian pharoahs where Gods, funda, be a scholar ubone kucwele the Sons of God la emhlabeni. MIna for example and my ancestors are the sons and daughters of Gods. In your Bible, in your scriptures it is said the sons of heaven fell in love with the daughters of men, those sons of Zulu are my ancestors, yimi okutsheleyo, ngumfihlo wengekhaya, people die just like Christ, lathi we die, kodwa iqhiniso yithi thina la emhlabeni esiszama ukulungisa, sigwele umoya but isikhwili siyasibulala, abantu bacine bale envy thina siyenza isintu esinhle, nanso iZimbabwe, vele belifuna lokhu that is why people refused to listen to reason, sokuswela lesitshwwala, into ekade idliwa ngaboKhokkhu kungela tractor. Christ unique, sigcwele, thatha okwakho, ususola okwekaya usufuna that brought by ikhiwa. Amandla wekhiwe aphumi kukristo, aphuma ekufundeni, ulwazi. You can also get it. sorry into kakristo hatshi there are many sons of God labo bathi Xa ungabalandeli uzosffarisha. Funa umoya, umoya ungene phakathi kuwe, then lawe you have become with honour and a seeker of Justice.

Mina ngithi you need to pray to the living God and ask for guidance and read the bible a lot he will show you the truth. it actually scares me when someone says God does not exist.God is your only hope

S'gwagwagwa I agree with you.

I was told on this forum that questions like;
1. Does God really exist ?
2. Where is he/she ?
3. Who created him/her ?
are meaningless.

I was told that God exists even if this cannot be proven.

I have always believed that the superstitious nature of humans created God and gods, and because of this we have been believing in many un-evidenced propositions like God, spirits and gods.

It is now time to look at more sensible theories about how the universe was created. It is time to abandon religion a product of fear and ignorance.

If the Bible is God's word prove to me first that God exists before quoting from it because it already assumes that God exists.

I am yet to find a Christian/Muslim/Jew brave enough to explain to me where God came from and who created him.

I see you are both an agnostic and an etheist! So lets say you wanna believe in science and that the world was created from the Big Bang theory or something along those lines, where did those first particles or molecules or wotever that started this whole chemical reaction come from??? You see the problem is that us as human think in a very linear way. A must come first and then B until we ultimately get to Z. The point is that at the end of the day , religion is all about belief! The chap here is looking for the true religion, which in itself can be a misnomer, but we as Christians are offering him the best way, we are entitled to this, what is your way, wot solution are you offering??? Dont be like the Greeks who spent all their days engaging in unproductive complex and confusing arguments (sophism). Come to the Lord and he will simply your life.

New discoveries are made everyday in science and as knowledge is accumulated a better understanding of the universe is developed.
Progress has been made in quantum physics, and that is how we got to this point ->the Big Bang theory.
The "inflation" theory is currently being explored and this might answer your questions about "time" before the Big Bang.
Science does not claim to have the answer to all questions, religion does.
In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy and rhetoric, isn't this ironically what religions is ?
My suggestion is simple, lets stop dwelling in the past and move forward.
There is no true religion.


Now can you help me with my questions ?

The question of where the first particles ze big bang e.t.c. came from apply equally to religious belief - what are the origins of God? Personally I dont find it difficult to think that the universe has alway existed (with or without life on earth) and is continuously tranforming - but this is a discussion for another topic.

And of course its logical that you can't prove what is in the Bible by the Bible. After all we know that the Bible is a compilation of ancient religious texts put together by a committee of Bishops (mere men - old and white) in Rome in the 4th century. They chose some texts and left others out (such as the Gospels of Thomas etc recently discovered in the middle east) because they didnt support their world view especially regarding the role of women and also the diety of Jesus Christ.

Something else which is obvious if you READ the bible (most Christians rely on their pastor to both read and interpret it for them) but which people tend to ignore is that Jesus Christs message was strictly for the Jews - It is Paul who had a vision (most of us today would dismiss out of hand anyone who tries to convince us about something based on their 'vision' but this is exactly how Christianity started) which caused him to start preaching to and converting Gentiles.

I'm quite interested in Lulu's response that she is SCARED that someone doesnt believe in GOD. What are you scared of exactly? And as for saying GOD is our only HOPE - HOPE for what?

I have asked myself what there is that has happened in my life or anyone elses that I know that would lead me to think that it must be some supernatural force that is responsible. Even if you take the wider arc of African peoples history and current affairs( from Arab to western slavery and colonialism to the sorry state of Africa today) I find no evidence of the hand of a loving, just, intervening GOD in African or world affairs.

Rather than explaining these things away as 'God's will' and having hope that one day Jesus Christ will appear out the clouds with a trumpet call like Father Christmas to mette out justice I find it more honest to myself to look for answers and solutions in matters that my mind can grasp.

There are problems in Africa because balahle okwabo and looked for other peoples things saying theirs is dirty, backward and inferior, nanko, the woman want braids to look like white women because they think their hair is not good enough, nanko ke, the leaders want to behave like western billionaires but in order to do that they need to steal, when trying to keep up to Western Standardsthey must forget the people, blacks are the best dressed and the poorest, they are trying to shout to whites look I have dressed nicely am I still ugly, is my nose still too big, are my lips still too thick, I have dressed very nicely, in order to try to belong they have thrown theirs away and now on Inkundla they are shouting at each other how the religion brought by whites is so much superior.

Madoda it seems some of you are advising me ukuthi ngiqonde emadlozini njalo others are telling to go to christ i would appriciate if i could get one definate reply that would lead me to umbuso wezulu

I think it is better to lead your life hoping/knowing there is God and Heaven.ukwenzela ukuthi uma ufika likhona iZulu ujabule, kulo kuphila usithi alikho uthi umafika uthole ikhona.ngithemba ngichaze kuhle.Hope plus Faith is good for the soul and well beign.

this might help Funda#

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy speaks to his Class on the Problem Science has with GOD, the ALMIGHTY.
He asks one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .

Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.
But GOD didn't.
How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

( Student is silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ?
Let's start again, Young Fella.
Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right.
Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ?
And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student does not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?

( Student has no answer )

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
Tell me, son . .. . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist.
What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.

( The Lecture Theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat,
White Heat, a Little Heat or No Heat...
But we don't have anything called Cold..
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat,
but we can't go any further after that.
There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold.
Heat is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

( There is Pin - Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something¡K
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called
Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death,
a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite,
something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing. Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

( The Professor shakes his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument is going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On - Going Endeavor, Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir? Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

( The Class is in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

( The Class breaks out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . . No one appears to have done so. So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have No Brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room is Silent. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Moving & Alive.

Mina ngithi please go to Jesus, he is the best and he never will let you down, Forget indaba yamadlozi. Try Jesus, he will surprise you.

Ok Lulu i will take your point but which one specifical do i go to?

Faith is a belief in the trustworthiness of an idea that has not been proven and cannot be proved. In short, it is belief in the absence of evidence.

A sad joke for you Lulu

A Jehovah's witness guy told me last week that if I am not a Jehovah's witness member, I am going to burn in hell
I remember a catholic priest saying the same thing when I was 7, he also explicitly made it clear to us that if you are not Catholic you are going to burn in hell.
The Southern Baptists think that all Catholics are going to hell, some even think that the Pope is the anti-christ.
The SDA guys think that only the SDA members will make it to haven
... The Muslims think that you wont get the 76 virgins in heaven if you are not one of them

So we are all gong to hell.

Forget about the dead amadlozi besides they have never mentioned the existance of umbuso wezulu. They have no clue as to the goings on in heaven right now. I tell you if you went to a witch doctor oledlozi that dlozi will not want to be asked about what Our Father is doing in heaven. Amadlozi adla mahara esethusela njengamadlozi awesikhalangeni. I think I heard that phrase quite often ekhaya, kumbe lidlozi lesiTonkeni asazi kodwa mina ngithi wonke amadlozi ayimoya emibi lawo ayakwazi.

Actually wonke amadlozi ayamazi uJesu Christu aluba ukhona eduze lami okhuluma ngedlozi bengingam interrogator. Cela umuthi okufeba edlozini, liyathaba kakhulu, agange awazazi.

Sikhule lawo amadlozi ama game awo siyawazi, yonke iyaloya ithakatha. Umuntu engathi ugange njengedlozi uyabe etshaye the nail on the head. UBaba descided he will never ever forgive the wickedness of amadlozi kodwa ngaze amadlozi esebenzise okhethiweyo emenze eyenze ukuganga lowo muntu uzosindiswa ngegazi likaJesu Christu nomakanjani.

Asithabeni makristu okungamadlozi akulamandla phezulu kweGazi likaJesu Christu sizolibona iZulu nomakanjani.

Xola ngoba angizange ngibale imicijo ephezulu lapha.

Mina ngibona engathi kumele uqale uthethele amadlozi ngeSkali esikhulu eSdudla usuke lapho uzixubhele nje bese uyazihlabelela amakhorasi e Tshetshi.

Umdali ngowabatnu bonke.

Ngiyabonga

Bafowethu.

Ngicindezele>>>>> : My brother why bother yourself chasing amadlozi. They where never able to help themselves by attaining eternal life. They prey on people threatening them and need this and that from you in order to do this and that. amadlozi are dead spirits with no eternal life. They will all burn in the lake of fire at the last day.

Actually you can curse amadlozi and actually Jesus Christ curses amadlozi anyway. However if anyone curses The Spirit of Jesus Christ you will never ever ever will be forgiven of all your sins ever. I know that abatwasayo they have amadlozi wabo beaten up and trained by other madlozi this shows the foolishness of worshipping vile crude spirits. Worship God who is all powerful.<<<<< Ngime ukucindezela.

Zihlobo zami, abelumbi bathi, "LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS VERY DANGEROUS."

Ma KHIRISITHU, akelikhuze izinja. Lathi silazo ezibambayo.

This discussion should be simple: EXPLAIN WHY YOU WORSHIP ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UNGASUKELI AMADLOZI ABANYE NGOBA WENA SEWALAHLEKA WALANDELA AWOKUZA UWATHUKE.

SIZABUYISELA ZIHLOBO KUBEKUBI LAPHA ENKUNDLENI.

Everyone has a reason to worship the way they do. Izinja zami sezidonsa umchilo usuze ufuna ukuqamuka. Bambani izinja zenu ngingakakhukluli ezami ngoba lizabuye lisole.

Li Zwangendaba.