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#39238 - 07/25/08 11:41 AM Ivangeli LeMali
Vodloza_baba Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 03/13/08
Posts: 34
Loc: South Africa
Yeyeni batayi nansi ingulube isinonela, wake wakubona kuphi lokhu okwenzakalayo these days, abafundisi bazifunela imali qha. The gospel has changed to prosperity and this act as a bait ngoba kuthiwa zithiywa ngezikudlayo, so they have seen ukuthi bif they preach about what people want they will fall prey to it. akunamuntu ongafuni umnotho ngakho abafundisindini labo have devised means of making money by claiming a calling and quickly open a church by getting a tent and few chairs and start preaching the prosperity gospel to hungry and needy people who will take all their savings to these con-pastors. They should find means of getting descent money by looking for a job they are so many security companies that need their craftness rather using the word Of God in Vain. God is watching all this and we will all be judged. Asilimukeni ukuba ngothathekile imota yamaswina. So many people have been dupped by these scandolous pastors who claim to posses powers. Read your bible well and let God Reveal himself to and you will know the truth and it will set you free. Bafethu ngifuna ukuvula eyami ichurch sidle imali ukhona ofuna u joyina.
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#39239 - 07/25/08 12:42 PM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: Vodloza_baba]
omnyama Offline
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Registered: 06/21/07
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Loc: banana republic
Vodloza,
Lokhu kuyadanisa impela! Abantu bakithi kanti bazoze bathole nini ukuhlakanipha lokuzwisisa ngempilo? Ungathi uvele uzihluphekele uphinde uthathelwe okuncane olakho uthenjiswa amanga wodwa!!
Mhlawumbe yikungazibaleli iBhayibhili! Kusobala ukuba iBhayibhili lithi kumele indoda idle izithukuthuku! Akula kunotha ngamasalamusi! Ngabe kulamasalamusi anothisa abantu ngabe sonke sinothile!
Okungabafundisi ndini lokhu kuthi unkulunkulu lisalamusi kumbe utikoloshe okumsebenzisa ukwenza intando yakho! Lokhu yikuzikhohlisa lombedo nje! Bazowuthola umvuzo wabo ngelanga lokwahlulelwa!

omnyama

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#39241 - 07/25/08 02:11 PM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: omnyama]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK
Udumo enkosini bafowethu olinika isibindi ukuqonda izigangi ezicabanga ukuthi unkulunkulu ngumthombo othengwa ngemali yena ayidalileyo engazathi kukhona thina esingakunika unkulunkulu adale zonke izidalo.

True the root of all evil is the Love of money. You seek God for money you reap worms.

Seek ye first The Kingdom and all that is needful will be given to you god is not a liar like men.

Grace to you my brothers soldier on our inheritance is eternal and incorruptible by money or evil devises.


Edited by welly (07/25/08 02:11 PM)

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#39244 - 07/25/08 02:26 PM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: Vodloza_baba]
mpumelelo101 Offline
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the root of all evil is lack of money!!these so called pastors do not hold isibhamu on any of their followers heads hence we can not say its robbery.the bible says GOD is the creator of everything including these pastors hence it would be futile to criticize a computer virus(the pastors) instead of the person who wrote it!!most likely GOD is teaching their followers (and non followers)a lesson hence their actions!!!remember what he did to the ISRAELIS and their descenants(400 years of slavery)lokho okwenzeka these days is nothing compared to that!!!
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#39245 - 07/25/08 02:49 PM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: mpumelelo101]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK
Oh my brother you are totally mistaken. You know not the forces of evil.

Its like saying a rapist was allowed by the victim to do what he does or saying the victim aroused this action upon themselves.

These pastors are guilty of a henious crime for preying on the vulnerable and weak. Yes the weak are not absolved for their greed and seeking creatures help than creators help.

There is no evil in lack of money and it Glorifies the maker to peservere in lack of anything than turn to evil to satisfy ones need. It is a blessing rather to withstand evil even in lack. Yes classic argument used by satan when he told God that Job only worships God because he suffers no lack. However Job worshiped his creator and declared blessed be the Lord he giveth and taketh away.

My brother your knowledge of righteousness is lacking. Ask God for wisdom and he will enlighten you. The giving is for free with God. You dont bribe God he freely gives.

Actually you have sinned calling God a liar when he says Job was righteous and had no evil even in his lack of wealth. Be very careful what you call evil least you arous the disaprovement of he who is eternally righteous and good and sure and dwelleth in heaven.


Edited by welly (07/25/08 02:52 PM)

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#39246 - 07/25/08 03:41 PM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: welly]
mpumelelo101 Offline
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THANKS FOR JUDGING ME(on my lack of rightiousness and SINNING)as the bible says you must judge(or does it say judge not?).i think your example of a rape is incorrect it would have been more accurate if you had said he was allowed to rape not by the victim but by ...GOD(at least by tacit approval) hence my point is if God would'nt have wanted that person to be raped He would have killed the rapist-to-be or made his sexual organs to malfunction!!so lets not judge these criminal pastors their action will only strengten the church in the long run.
about lack of money being evil, i suggest you visit a couple of prisons (and hospitals)and see what some people do when they lack it!!
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#39251 - 07/25/08 07:36 PM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: mpumelelo101]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
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Loc: UK
 Originally Posted By: mpumelelo101
THANKS FOR JUDGING ME(on my lack of rightiousness and SINNING)as the bible says you must judge(or does it say judge not?).


2Sa 14:17 Then thine handmaid said, The word of my lord the king shall now be comfortable: for as an angel of God, so [is] my lord the king to discern good and bad: therefore the LORD thy God will be with thee.

1Ki 3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?

Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

My brother it is futile for you to argue with scripture. You will eat your own vomit. Indeed if I have judged you I would not point you tirelessly to Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins. If Judgement was passed upon you I would be telling you that there is no forgiveness for you. This is what scripture talks about when it says do not Judge. Quite clearly the bible calls us to clearly and Justly discern what is righteous and evil, that which is good and bad, that which leads to eternal life and that which leads to the lake of fire.

If you yourself dont discern everyday you would be dead. Why dont you Judge yourself who is telling truth and he who is lying. Honestly would the creator find fault in truth? I dare say never. You are clearly speaking words without knowledge and in sinful error.
 Originally Posted By: mpumelelo101

i think your example of a rape is incorrect it would have been more accurate if you had said he was allowed to rape not by the victim but by ...GOD(at least by tacit approval) hence my point is if God would'nt have wanted that person to be raped He would have killed the rapist-to-be or made his sexual organs to malfunction!!


I agree Yes its all Gods Will I argue not he remains eternally righteous in all his ways.
 Originally Posted By: mpumelelo101

so lets not judge these criminal pastors their action will only strengten the church in the long run.


Yes we are called to expose all evil everywhere that the ignorant may learn repent and be saved.

Yes all things that ever come to pass work for good to them who are called according to Gods purpose to him alone be praise and Glory forever Amen.
 Originally Posted By: mpumelelo101

about lack of money being evil, i suggest you visit a couple of prisons (and hospitals)and see what some people do when they lack it!!


No need for me to go anywhere else evil exists everywhere for Gods purposes and Glory and its not that it has overpowered him at the least. Lack of money is not an evil. The Bible Gods word says that

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

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#39252 - 07/25/08 10:37 PM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: welly]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK
Eh bobaba kasiyicazuleni leyindaba yemali.

Today I aproached the baptist Church in Leeds for help concerning £15.00 for iUCAS application form fee. For various reasons I was in need and having scouted around for help found none. Bear in mind I have already asked in prayer.

Actually having scouted around I thought in reality my first stop for help is realy supposed to be the church. So there I was thinking Ah ebalungwini kambe bengayiswela imali encane kangaka. So I dragged myself to one of the elders and in confidence asked him specifically for the money. Well his answer was to find out if I was looking for money to apply then where will I find the money to pay University fees. Well I told him I will seek funding so he said that I should seek help from the same funding agency. My answer to this was i told him that I have asked in faith from church believing in the providence of God. So if he was unwilling he should just say so then my need to explain how and why or him telling me otherwise. Of which he told me they have a number of funding activities so he rejected my request.

Well as people will begin to know me, now I will turn to the Bible for answers. First was I wrong to ask the church for money and why? next what does the Bible say must happen and ultimately who has sinned and why?

Make no bones about it using scriptural backing I will approach the church with the full might of the word. Yes if I dont meet the criterio for getting help from church why do they accept me to join church and listen to sermons. That is of no use to me, I need a church to be involved fully in all my problems no matter what. Or else we have nothing but hypocritical churches on earth. Then everyone is a liar, they dont want to do what the bible says.

Irregardless of my genuine need or not Jesus Christ was specific that if anyone asks for what you have give what you can. more so churches, what about all the donations we give surely if we have trouble are not churches supposed to help followers of Christ no matter where they come from.

Honestly is it just me, is what is written in the bible a mystery to the very same churches open as a result of the bible.

Dont take me wrong I am not realy dying for lack of £15. Surely if I cannot make it to Uni this year there is always next year. But the principle of correct honest belief is lacking or non existant in church. They receive gladly and give grudgingly now thats evil. I will definately take it up. What are your thoughts.

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#39256 - 07/26/08 11:23 AM Re: Ivangeli LeMali [Re: welly]
Vodloza_baba Offline
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Registered: 03/13/08
Posts: 34
Loc: South Africa
Welly Mfowethu indaba leyi yinsindabadala kodwa ke into ekhona yikuthi izihuluhuqu zabafundisindini bazothola umuzo wesihogo. Just image how people are striving hard to get money and others out of ignorance aond lack of knowledge of the bible becoz they are still new convents they are told ukuthi they should give what it pains them most so that they reap bountifully, they give out their best only 4 this pastor to go and buy an expensive car, house and designer clothings wena uhlala emkhukwini noma u are sharing a room divided by curtains and u walk to work everyday yena is busy divising other means of getting more from again and at the same time they abuse women. I tell you ukuthi God wrath will descend on them one day. Tell me Mfethu kunjani kodwa kuGodoni Brawuni
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