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#40097 - 09/16/08 10:15 AM WHEN DO WE GO BACK?
mbaleki Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 87
Loc: Mawaba
Sesezwile ngokuhlala emazweni abanikazi,sibizwa ngamagama amabi,but we cant just leave at the drop of a hat.There is no place like home,ultimamtely we would all love to settle at home,raise our children elizweni lakithi,kodwa futhi akumelanga senze amawala sitshiye imisebenzi yethu leyi ekade isphilisa for the past couple of years.Kodwa libona engathi amashona lawa will let us be,or will we have our children being taught grade 1 ndebele by shona speakers,will the people ko Msitheli lase Tredgold be so shona that they cant properly spell our names,oTshuma bonke bazoba ngo chuma,oNdlovu babe ngo Ndhlovu?.Dont get me wrong,i intend to go back home,but if it means that im running the risk of shonalising my family,maybe im better off ngihlala next door.Could those that are well versed ngalezi eze economics please make a rough projection ukuthi kuza thatha how long ukuthi kulunge,so that we start saving imali yokuya settler ekhaya.
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#40098 - 09/16/08 11:09 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: mbaleki]
Mbezothuli Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 40
Loc: Esantini
Mina angisabuyeli. Siyabuyela sithini kunje? The Republic of Mashonaland!!!!

MINISTRIES


1. Defence –Hon. Sidney Sekeramayi ZANU PF

2. Home Affairs- Hon.Tendai Biti MDC T

3. Finance – Hon. Tapiwa Mashakada MDC T

4. Foreign Affairs- Hon. Sen. Ryan Chiwase Mutsvene ex-officio MDC T

5. Education, Sports, Arts and Culture- Hon. Fidelis Mhashu MDC T

6. Health and Child Welfare- David Parirenyatwa Zanu pf

7. Higher and Tertiary Education- Hon Sam Sippea Nkomo MDC T

8. Local Government, Urban and Rural Development- Hon Ignatius Chombo Zanu pf

9. Mines and Mining Development- Hon Emmerson Mnangagwa Zanu pf

10. Industry and Commerce- Hon Chindori Chininga MP Zanu pf

11. **Lands, Agriculture and Resettlement- Sen Roy Bennette ex officio MDC T

12. Energy and Power Development- Hon Joseph Made MP Zanu pf

13. **Public Service- Hon. Nicholas Goche ex officio (Sen.) Zanu pf

14. Science and Technology Development- Simbarashe Mumbengegwi MP Zanu pf

15. Water Resources and Management- Hon. Munacho Mutezo MP Zanu pf

16. **Regional Integration and International Trade- Hon. Eddie Cross MP MDC T

17. **Labour and Social Services- Hon. Pauline Gwanyanya MP MDC T

18. **Constitutional and Parliamentary Affairs- Hon. Adv. Eric Matinenga MP MDC T

19. Environment, Natural Resources and Tourism- Hon Francis Nhema MP Zanu pf

20. Justice and Legal Affairs- Hon Prof. Elphas Mukonoweshuro MP MDC T

21. **Prisons and Correctional Services- Hon Adv. Welshman Ncube MDC M

22. Women’s Affairs, Gender and Community Development- Hon Olivia Nyembesi Muchena MP Zanu pf

23. **Economic Planning and Investment Promotion- Hon Jameson Timba MP MDC T

24. **Information Communication Technology- Sen. Priscilla Misihairambwi ex-officio MDC M

25. **Media, Information and Publicity- Hon. Nelson Chamisa MP MDC T

26. **State Enterprises and Parastatals- Sen. Tichaona Mudzingwa ex-officio MDC T

27. **National Housing and Social Amenities- Hon. Sam Chidhakwa MP Zanu pf

28. **Public Works- Abedinico Ncube MP MDC M

29. Transport- Hon. Reuben Marumahoko MP Zanu pf

30. Small, Medium Enterprises and Cooperative Development- Sen. Patrick chinamasa ex officio Zanu pf

31. **Youth Development, Indigenisation and Empowerment- Hon. Saviour Kasukuwere MP Zanu pf

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#40099 - 09/16/08 11:25 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Mbezothuli]
Sibakhulule Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 08/07/08
Posts: 13
Loc: South Africa
Ake uthi uyadlala ntakababa! If what you wrote(ministerial posts) is anything to go by, then sifile and futhi kuphelile okwethu.Aphi amanga ethu thina esasisithi asilandawo njengoMthwakazi kwelamatshona? Aphi? Do you mean Welsman was working so hard for him to be rewarded with a post of Minister of correctional services? Akulungi! Not that i was hoping for much but somehow im so disappointed with lombhedo.
Asisukumeni madoda silwe limpi. Once again our people are going to be relagated to deputy posts. Do you mean even kuleMDC-T ebengekho amaNdebele abengaphiwa lezizihlalo? Lakuyoleyo Zanu ndini awekho?
This is nothing more than shonalising our land. Laf' elihle kakhulu.

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#40100 - 09/16/08 11:43 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Sibakhulule]
Mbezothuli Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 40
Loc: Esantini
Angilashuwa le authenticity. Just a document someone sent me.

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#40101 - 09/16/08 11:44 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Sibakhulule]
lvovo Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 166
Loc: KZN
Bantu, MDC T ngeyamatshona MDC M ngeyamaNdebele thats a fact, so for some of us we were not expecting anything from this formation. Uyabona if it was MDC M then ngabe siyathaba. Tswangirayi is a well known tribalist kodwa kungasenani lets partake in the creation of a new constitution and silwise ukuze kube le Federal system of Governance.
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#40102 - 09/16/08 11:45 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: mbaleki]
mashwabada Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 08/07/08
Posts: 28
Loc: tembisa
angikaze ngibone umhlolo onje nina beSilo, not that i expected much anyway. umfokaNcube is playing second fiddle once again and ayikho ingqubelaphambili angayenza esebenza ezinkantolo. the only "development " angayenza in that post yikusakhela amajele nje kwaphela. ezomnotho zona azithunyelwa gundwane mfokababa. kuzoba nzima to make headway ngazo zonke lezizidanyampuphu ezikade zisehluleka sonke lesisikhathi. zozoyicela isivuthiwe. mina ekhaya kulangingayi khona...
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#40104 - 09/16/08 11:59 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Sibakhulule]
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 653
Loc: Mtubatuba
Uyazi bantu boMthwakazi niyi ndida, impicabadala uqobo lwayo. Day in & out laph' esigungwini we're subjected to incessant vehement harangue to the effect that Mthwakazi must have nothing to do with issues zezwe leNja, o-Welshman are sellouts by associating with MDC blah, blah. Gwiqiqi, namhlanje i-cabinet kaMgots is unveiled - you cry foul. It's time you just came out of the closet, nicace ukuthi ninga bantu bakaMgots okanye uNdodakuqina!
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#40105 - 09/16/08 12:00 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Sibakhulule]
okaMabhedla Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 59
Loc: Nkandla, RSA
mina frankly speaking guys lets not blame these guys but look for a solution and at the same time blame ourselves.

bonke abakhethiweyo deserve those zikhundla ngoba they were there belwela lezo zikhundla and bonke who fought to the end made it and uma sebephakathi we will complain again.
if we had abantu abanengi abesintwini during all this chaos kusiya ku-campaign, elections, divisions, etc aluba namhla lathi siyajabula sibabona benikezwa izikhundla. lets be ethical about it and stop complaining always.

but on a worser note the mdc by having no-mthwakazi in it shows ukuthi sebesilahla njenge-zanu kuyithi esaba-votelayo. at the same time considering ukuthi there are many of learned mthwakazi abroad and not at home did you guys think ukuthi they will call them ukuthi bezo-thatha izikhundla nje, no ways. you needed to be at home and having been part of it so as to be chosen.

at the same time we should ask ourselves as to why this happened and map a way forward ukuze silungiselele ikusasa yethu lomdeni enhle. i think kunama-opportunity amanengi azovuleka and mina am prepared to go back home lami ngiyezama eyami inhlanhla for abantu bakithi ngoba ukube ngikhonona ngisemazweni angeke kungisize njalo angeke kusize uMthwakazi osaphilayo lalowo olandelayo.

ngoba singaqhubeka sisilwa singale kwemfula ongeke sinqgobe loba sekutheni.
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#40108 - 09/16/08 01:31 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: okaMabhedla]
mpumelelo101 Offline
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Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 173
Loc: durban, south africa.
i don't see any reason why a bona fide Mthwakazian should be going home when its crystal clear that the various tshabian clans have become united again!
things are going to get worse for the mthwakazians,the invasion will now intensify to a new high.
the new constitution is highly unlikely to bring tangible results to our beloved country. the institunalized corruption, oppression and domination will be cemented. personally i think we should regionalize our plight and make it a cornerstone of SADC politics!
because nationally, we will never be taken seriously!!
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#40109 - 09/16/08 02:29 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Muntongenakudla]
Sibakhulule Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 08/07/08
Posts: 13
Loc: South Africa
 Originally Posted By: Muntongenakudla
Uyazi bantu boMthwakazi niyi ndida, impicabadala uqobo lwayo. Day in & out laph' esigungwini we're subjected to incessant vehement harangue to the effect that Mthwakazi must have nothing to do with issues zezwe leNja, o-Welshman are sellouts by associating with MDC blah, blah. Gwiqiqi, namhlanje i-cabinet kaMgots is unveiled - you cry foul. It's time you just came out of the closet, nicace ukuthi ninga bantu bakaMgots okanye uNdodakuqina!


Muntu wabantu ndini awungizwa! Never in my post did i say o-Welshman are sellouts by associating with MDC, never. I ment that i feel for the man who after having worked so hard to broker a deal is now rewarded with an insignificant cabinet post. He desreves better! Wena silimandini you do not read to understand. You call us abantu boMthwakazi, kanti wena vele uyini coz i've seen some of your posts angacaciyo ukuthi are you one of us or uyagxamukela nje?

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#40110 - 09/16/08 03:00 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Mbezothuli]
Majays Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 04/07/08
Posts: 8
Loc: Gaborone, Botswana
Mbezothuli aku khomfeme umbhedo lo mani !! Thina sesisehluleka lokusebenza.
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#40112 - 09/16/08 03:26 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: mpumelelo101]
okaMabhedla Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 59
Loc: Nkandla, RSA
 Originally Posted By: mpumelelo101
i don't see any reason why a bona fide Mthwakazian should be going home when its crystal clear that the various tshabian clans have become united again!
things are going to get worse for the mthwakazians,the invasion will now intensify to a new high
.personally i think we should regionalize our plight and make it a cornerstone of SADC politics!
because nationally, we will never be taken seriously!!


mpume, its good ukuthi nawe you are seeing this but wasnt it for the few that sacrificed their lives aluba kakula ngitsho loyedwa othe qga ku-cabinet hence why am saying we have to go is to at least bring some representation of our people.

if am a true mthwakazi, i would not just sit abroad and fight a cold war, i would go back home and do something otherwise after some years when you decide to go you will be amazed ukuthi akusela limi lwakithi olukhulunywayo. angazi ukuba uzothini umasekunjalo!!!

okwe-constitution singakhulumi ngakho ngoba they will only plan on how to bring us down even more just like what Gono said with oku-joice mjuruu.

about regionalising this, its not a one day thing hence its going to take time and degrading and devalueing our society at the same time such that umakuzophumelela by the time its settled, i-BCC will be headed by a shona.
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#40119 - 09/16/08 04:46 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: okaMabhedla]
mpumelelo101 Offline
Ngqwele
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Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 173
Loc: durban, south africa.
of course we shouldn't "sit abroad and fight a cold war" but that doesn't mean we should physically go back. look at jews(original jews not mahlaba's lembas). some are in israel but a great number of them is in the US, UK, even russia!! these jews who are abroad inflence forein policy of their host countries. this is what we; Mthwakazian diasporans should do. we should influence SA immigration policy, economic policy and the general politics in a positive manner, more like the jews in the US and not the Mexicans!!
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#40121 - 09/16/08 04:56 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: mpumelelo101]
okaMabhedla Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 59
Loc: Nkandla, RSA
its a good idea but my main point is that of trying to make it clear, it does not help hearing us always complaining about ukuthi why kugcwele amashona. who did we want in place of them (names) because those who are/were there, we are busy complaining about them?
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#40124 - 09/16/08 07:12 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: okaMabhedla]
mpumelelo101 Offline
Ngqwele
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Registered: 06/14/08
Posts: 173
Loc: durban, south africa.

i think you should understand that most mthwakazians are pushed out of mthwakazi eg, if we have abantu from emarondera bezofunda empopoma, its pushing abantwana bethu to ama study groups and colleges which are intrested in money. most good boarding schools kwa mthwakazi are filling up with shonas.
if omanager abaningi bengamashona, they will give attachment places to amashona, etc etc. for now there is nothing we can do thats why we are complaining maar i think sooner we will reach i boiling point and...."God" knows!!!


Edited by mpumelelo101 (09/16/08 07:14 PM)
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#40126 - 09/17/08 12:18 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: mbaleki]
Nqobile_Mbali Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 06/17/08
Posts: 38
Loc: Nottingham,UK
I THINK I'LL STAY HERE IN NOTTONGHAM FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER 10 YRS.
I'M MUCH TOO SETTLED HERE TO SUDDENLY JET BACK INTO UNCERTAINTY. AT LEAST I WILL BE MILES AWAY FROM AMASHONA GRASP AND VILE, WHITE, MATABELELAND RHODESIANS!

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#40129 - 09/17/08 12:59 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Nqobile_Mbali]
Mthandazo_Sihle Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 08/02/08
Posts: 24
Loc: Washington DC, USA
mina? Leaving the USA for Zim? eeeehrr!! No!!
That reagion's future looks really bleak! With Shona vs Ndebele and also Shona vs Manyika tensions still existant! It's enough to make u hang your gloves up and say: Who really cares?
What's the purpose of life anyway? If I were to fight for Mthwakazi, and win, in a Universe which simply won't last forever anyway, will it really be relevant? No!
There already is a Ndebele community here in America, or u can call it a village, with everything Ndebele, and none of them have any plans to return. We've settled too deeply to change plans!

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#40132 - 09/17/08 01:18 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Mthandazo_Sihle]
mg_d Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 156
Loc: south africa
going back for now it will be like taking twenty steps backwards in life,i wouldn`t advise any of the Mthwakazian people to go back home unless if you are visiting yes but okokuthi umuntu athiusesiyahlala ekhaya ngoba amatshona la athembisana amanga aluhlaza, asiphileni endaweni zabanikazi nxa kusahlaleka kwaphela nje.amanga la abathembisana ngawo ngawabo bodwa khonale kubo, singazichitheli isiskhathi sethu sithi siya ekhaya it doesn`t worth it.
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#40133 - 09/17/08 03:58 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: Mthandazo_Sihle]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
Nduna
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Registered: 02/13/08
Posts: 373
Loc: UG
 Originally Posted By: Mthandazo_Sihle
mina? Leaving the USA for Zim? eeeehrr!! No!!
That reagion's future looks really bleak! With Shona vs Ndebele and also Shona vs Manyika tensions still existant! It's enough to make u hang your gloves up and say: Who really cares?
What's the purpose of life anyway? If I were to fight for Mthwakazi, and win, in a Universe which simply won't last forever anyway, will it really be relevant? No! .......We've settled too deeply to change plans!


Sakubona Wakwethu
Ngiyakubongela inhliziyo owayiphiwayo, iyenelisa okwehlula inhliziyo ezinengi. Ngokwami ma ngikhumbula umfanekiso wendiza ingena itwin tower lakuqala, kuthi elesibili thats just more than enough for me to hang up my gloves. Uzozwa uMcain ethi 'get up lets fight' Kuthi intensity elababantu abathi kill all the infidels. For me yiyo ke ifight which is not worhy anything. This does not look a 'bright future' at all, at least to me.
Amarelatives ami aseNkayi Kezi Lupane Gwanda Canada UK USA, agcwele nje umhlaba wonke, ma ngicabanga ngawo ngizwa ngifuthelana, angeke ngafa ngenelisa ukuyitshayi indiva lindaba. Kumele ilungiswe, noma ingalunganga empilweni yami I m ready to lay my life down for the sake of future generations. Noma umhlaba ungatshabalala kusasa mani kuhle ukuthi lamatshona efe etsheliwe ukuthi by the way we are of root of King Mzilikazi, we aint finished yet.
I read about the Jewry, who were in bondage for 400 years yet none of them said "we have settled too deeply..."
I have considered a life emazweni and found it unbearable. I m being honest with you I begin to miss even inanimate things, my surroundings, where I grew up, where I was bred, la okulenkaba yami khona.
Emazweni dont you feel that you dont belong there. It may be a bit more comfortable for now but does not the system and the people there not make you feel you dont belong there, and that more by each day? I envy you. ULENHLIZIYO EQINILEYO.
I see our brothers the world over, they end up rebelling and fighting the system, involved in crime and some end up fighting one another, shootings and stabbings, gang culture etc. When you see the system labelling you black american, black british, dont you find those terms loaded with negativism and denial as well as sidelining, that you dont belong here?.
Are you going to be changing your surname, think about the kids, are you telling them of imvelaphi yabo? I hear of this thing , I dont know if you have heard of it. "What did you say your second name is, how am I spelling that?" YOUR CHILD HEARING THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN FROM NURSERY TO UNI IS NOT AT ALL HEALTHY. I dont know how to approach such a problem but the zim thing is easy, just restore the pre-colonioal era national boundaries , simple. I think the purpose of life is to serve one another. That comfort you are holding onto there did not drop from the heavens but some may have even shed their blood for it, serious sacrifices were made for the comfort of the future generations, including you. I however, respect your opinion.
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#40134 - 09/17/08 07:49 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: mpumelelo101]
okaMabhedla Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 59
Loc: Nkandla, RSA
i was in such a situation but having applied some thinking and used some ethics, i realised why this happened and too bad i have to write on the wall.

bantu bakithi, why kusibalabo-manager abangama-shona its because thina the majority of us do not have the proper education for the said jobs etc. from experiance, life is hard in the mpumalanga land coz they are too crowded there hence competition to get jobs is tough. that why at the same time you find ukuthi they are said to be educated, they know ukuthi if they dont do that bazolamba. thina we dont bother to educate ourselves but are to quick to complain. those abasezikhundleni eziphezulu or was e.g. welshman mabhena, november 23 1997 used to cry foul ukuthi abantu bakithi bakuphi when an opportunity opened up, they could not get one hence no optipn but to get a shona who would have applied for it. and unfortunately the shonas and zanu and mdc have seen this and are now using it as their arsenal against us. and very soon they are slowly occupying our land see housing list 2007 BCC. thina siyadela easy coz sithi "izinto zama-shona" that does not help but simple prematures our lovely society.

about izinto zama-attachments, its a win-lose situation, its all about what you have as your skill and not who you are. companies look for quality (education) in you and not who you are.

so what they do is move down south to us, they get jobs even handy jobs why? mainly because thina we would have moved down south to jozi hence leaving empty positions which the shonas fill up quickly because thina siyabe siwatshiye evulekile.

its the same with our people who simple move to jozi and other foreign countries, they fill up jobs no matter how dirty the jobs are, meant for the respective locals.

if we educated our kids and made them to be aware that this is where inkaba zethu belong, no-one will forsake their land like that. abanye bathi they will never move back to zim, i wonder ukuthi uma-sekubheda bayoqonda kuphi. there is no place like home, we miss home but if we dont go back and do something about it, no-one will do something for us but amashona will simple do something for themselves.

uzothina uma usizwa ukuba akusela sindebele esikhulunywa kontuthu and e-soweto sokuhlala okungama-shona?
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#40137 - 09/17/08 10:28 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: okaMabhedla]
mbaleki Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 87
Loc: Mawaba
Mfowethu,please enlighten me,bathini oGono loMjuru ngendaba zokusincindezela,mina ngise muva ngalezi ezasekhaya.I see in one of your posts you say that the reason why kulabo manager abangamashona is because imajority yabantu besintwini do not have proper education,i beg to differ.I simply refuse to subscribe to that school of thought.Statistically the ratio ye population eyama tshabi labantu is probably 1:14 or something like that,so taking that into consideration,would you expect the ratio of tshabi and ndebele graduates to be 1:1?,that figure manifests itself kumastreetkids leziphofu ezicela imali kumastreet corners,for every 1 siphofu esikhuluma isintu there are about 14 akhuluma isitshona,you see where im coming from?.That very same misconseption yokuthi amashona afundile is the one thats driving our misinformed sisters into matrimonial committment lama shona,mina ngokwami i got a decent education,so did all my brothers and sisters,yet kulamaswina esakhula sidlala lawo angafundanga,does that count for anything?.On the issue yokubuyela ekhaya,that is a double edged sword,we belong ekhaya,kukithi come rain or shine,but as someone put it,we cant just jet into uncertainty,kodwa futhi of we stay away for too long amashona will move into our neighbourhoods and shonalise everything,then we cry foul again,but bona abalolwazi ngeze economics bathini,how long will it take to see some progress? asifuni kuyabulawa yindlala sesijwayele ukuvuka ngama breakfast amqanda lama bacon


Edited by mbaleki (09/17/08 10:31 AM)
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#40138 - 09/17/08 10:41 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: okaMabhedla]
Bullet_Success Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 07/14/08
Posts: 44
Loc: Manxeleni
okaMabhedla,
Ngiyakubonga nge post yakho leyi,sengazama to put this kuMthwakazi but unfortunately ukuloba has never been my thing ngidelela inombolo.We are quick to point fingers bantu bakaMthwakazi, kodwa sikhohlwe ngokuzikhangela lapho esilama short falls khona.

Njalo inengi lethu asifuni ukufunda,ngibala lalabo abase mazweni,we are content with the little that we have but quick to complain when opportunities are given to other people.I remember in the last few days kulomunye owaloba ipost esithi ukufunda akuncedi emazweni ngoba baqakathekisa i experience, that is just half the truth ngoba you will try to get experience on menila jobs and thus get promoted to another menila job.Kodwa ungazitholela okuyi degree or okuyi diploma kwakho gain a bit of experience then uzothola ama promotions ku profession yakho and thus good pay uzisebenzela kuhle.

I also remember on another post I asked uMthwakazi osanda kuqeda idegree kumbe okhangelele ukuqeda i degree yakhe ukuthi angithinte ngasese sizame ukuncedisana kodwa not even one person owangithintayo, so lokhu kutsho ukuthi uMthwakazi kafuni ukufunda???? Ofuna leyo opportunity ngiyaphinda njalo,ole degree kumbe okhangelele ukuqeda ngomnyaka ozayo ku technical field ikakhulu imetallurgy, electrical, mechanical,finance,logistics and u based eUK kangithinte sincedisane.

Singakakhompleni ngokuphanana kwabo imsebenzi asizibuzeni ukuthi thina senzani ukuthi siyithole leyo msebenzi, we are just killing ourselves from within.

Mina ngiyafisa kakhulu ukubuyela ekhaya,ngiza monita isituation in the next five years and make a decision, kodwa okwamanje ngisazinikeza istrength ngemfundo le experience
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#40163 - 09/17/08 10:36 PM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: okaMabhedla]
duze Offline
Sikhulu

Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 299
Loc: uk
okaMabhedla mfo kunjani. ngiyezwa lokho okushoyo mfowethu nawe uyabeka. kodwa ungathi kukhona ongakutholi kahle. first, singamaNdebele sinazo izikolo njalo siyazihambisa ingane zethu ukuyofunda. bayafunda baze bayefika kumanyuvesi. kodwa phela angeke siye sonke kumanyuvesi. minengi imisebenzi engadingi degree. into yikuthi amaTshona awasifuni. uma unguMndebele une degree angeke uphathe amatshona. azokuhlukumeza akuhlanganele akwakhele amaqinga uyoze uxoshwe emsebenzini. uzohlala kanjani ungahambi kube ufundile?

laba abangayanga kumanyuvesi bona ke. nabo bayafuna ukutrenwa as nurses, teachers. farmacist. yonke lemisebenzi iphiwa amatshona phakathi kwaBulawayo. sizohlalakanjani ngempela? sonke siyafisa ukuthi kube sisebenza kwaMthwakazi sakhe sikhulise isizwe sethu senze amasiko ethu sibuke iBhoso idlala emagumeni sihleli eSowetho. kodwa cha amatshona awasifuni mfo. asizenzi.

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#40166 - 09/18/08 01:40 AM Re: WHEN DO WE GO BACK? [Re: duze]
MTHWENTWEHLABA1 Offline
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Registered: 02/13/08
Posts: 373
Loc: UG
Ekuhle
These days angikwazi ukuthi kungeneni la ekhaya. Kungani kulama cio, kungani akuzwakali lokuthi kuqonda ngaphi, kungani kuphonguba ngamasese ayisidudu, isitshebo esingalatswayi and what what. Kodwa nje noma engabakhona ama-cio they are welcome, asifihlinto, sithi we are fed up, we have failed to live together with you shona people, may we peacably part ways.

Nxa kulabafowethu abangaqondisisi lesisitimela senkululeko, thats fine, you will catch it with time. Kunganceda njalo ukuthi umuntu abala ebuyela emuva, kulamatopic amaningi kakhulukazi angandisa ukuzwisisa legeneral direction kaMthwakazi. Not that there is a prescribed direction but there is a mapped way.

As we all know practicality usually differs slightly from theory even with the best of planning.
For some time now we have had a general understanding that we have nothing in zim. This is an opinion of many of us. We were also not going to have anything to do with the elections more than ousting this chap just for economics reasons, not that it was going to bring us our desired independence. Only just to ease pressure and heat, on all in zim. Some of these things really boiled down to individualistic decision making and not that we were going to do a,b.c as Mthwakazi. Even as we are one people as Mthwakazi we still have differing opinions and we accept that and respect it.
Mthwakazi is masterminding their own struggle, whether a or b was to going to win the elections it did not so much as affect our plans. To us there was no choice in the elections , there is really no difference between these guys, the grand plan is their common denominator.
Now as we wholly received the news of launching of MPC, we reposition, that none is left behind that is Mthwakazi. The struggle itself will place you. The function or role you play in the struggle will place you, either back home or wherever you are as we speak. To some it will be better to fight from home , while to others it will be best to fight from where you are. So isihloko lesi esiphezulu if its me, it would be in relation of the launching of the MPC AND NOT THIS GOVERNMENT OF FULFILLING THE GRANG PLAN 1979. Kodwa laye obhale ngaso ubemumethe okungasi lokhu engikhuluma ngakho mina kangako. Kanjalo angimsoli.

Even as they have appointed one another zanu & mdc, it was not because of education standards or whether one was in zim or not, but it was on the basis of what role you were going to play in the finalisation of the grand plan and of course "who u r". Trust me, there were more than enough people with qualificatins and in zim and had been fighting alongside the leader of either party and their name is not appearing anywhere.

The vision of Mthwakazi is soon being made public according to the announcement we received just the other day, get acquainted with it and run with it, it shall surely come to fulfilment, it will not lie. Remember a vision is for an appointed time! So let us not be up and down because of what is happening in harare. Salani kahle.
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