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#40140 - 09/17/08 02:17 PM UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe
Kirth_Dube Offline
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Mthwakazi,

Tswankirayi interview with LA Times

The former Zanu-pf political commisar and now Mugabe's first prime minister Tswankirayi says Mgabe cannot be prosecuted for killing the Ndebeles.
Kunini sitshela izilima zakithi ukuthi zigada imota yamashona engelamaviri bazaphaphama bodwa sebevelelwe yingozi. Lamhlanje nanti itshabi liyala lithi uMgabe never abotshwe.

Kambe lithini ngantwenje Mthwakazi?


Edited by Udabakaluthethwa (09/17/08 02:48 PM)
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#40141 - 09/17/08 02:59 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Kirth_Dube]
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What? "The former Zanu-pf political commisar"?
I don't understand mfowethu!
I read the article, and it's punchline was:
"The Zimbabwe president can't be held accountable for political violence during his 28-year rule, but others may be, the new prime minister tells The Times."
Well, if the slightly younger ZANU DOGS are prosecuted, I'll be satisfied! As for 90yr old mgabe, what justice can be squeezed out of such an old man? By the time justice is served, he'll have fossilised already!
Location of the whole article is on:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-zimbabwe17-2008sep17,0,1425862.story

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#40142 - 09/17/08 02:59 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Kirth_Dube]
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 Originally Posted By: Udabakaluthethwa
Mthwakazi,

Tswankirayi interview with LA Times

The former Zanu-pf political commisar and now Mugabe's first prime minister Tswankirayi says Mgabe cannot be prosecuted for killing the Ndebeles.
Kunini sitshela izilima zakithi ukuthi zigada imota yamashona engelamaviri bazaphaphama bodwa sebevelelwe yingozi. Lamhlanje nanti itshabi liyala lithi uMgabe never abotshwe


One forumite the great Muntongenakudla is fond of saying Masixukuziseni ugebhezi!! Never was that saying more apt.

Lets see Tsvangirayi has just signed an agreement to share power with Robert Mugabe - the ink is not even dry on that document!An agreement in my humble view that is deeply flawed (but that is an issue for another day). So Tsvangirayi is newly elevated to the post of Prime Minister in a powersharing government with Fist of Fury. It cannot be over emphasized that Tsvangirayi does not have total control certainly, and debatably the level of control he has is a matter of conjecture.Whether this marriage of convinience will last or is legitimate remains to be seen. Against this background did anyone sane and in charge of all their faculties seriously expect Tsvangirayi to say anything other than what he has said in that interview with respect to the prosecution of Fist of Fury? If the headline had said "Mugabe to be prosecuted" where would that have left the newly signed agreement?
Why am I not surprised that this obvious statement by Tsvangirai has been ceased upon by what can only be described as desperate political opportunists to fuel the flames of their agenda!
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#40143 - 09/17/08 03:13 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Jazelindizayo]
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"Let the rule of law apply. Isn't that what we all cry for?" - Tsvangirai


Uyahlanya loTsvankilayi, he has not impressed so far in his new role as PM. He moves from gaffe to gaffe.

How can the rule of law apply yet Mugabe is not to be prosecuted. He has better shut-up because if he were to change his position in the future he would be a hypocrite.

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#40145 - 09/17/08 03:18 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Jazelindizayo]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazelindizayo
[quote=Udabakaluthethwa]Mthwakazi,

Why am I not surprised that this obvious statement by Tsvangirai has been ceased upon by what can only be described as desperate political opportunists to fuel the flames of their agenda!


WELL SAID, JAZE!!!

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#40146 - 09/17/08 03:45 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Nqobile_Mbali]
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 Originally Posted By: Nqobile_Mbali

Well, if the slightly younger ZANU DOGS are prosecuted, I'll be satisfied! As for 90yr old mgabe, what justice can be squeezed out of such an old man? By the time justice is served, he'll have fossilised already!


The same measure of justice as the pain he continues to inflict on you and I at that age of 90. Unless of course if you are not feeling the strife he continues to cause!

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#40148 - 09/17/08 04:00 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Potshoza]
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Guys,Guys,Guys,
The rule of law will be applied komgodoyi lingethuki, the only problem is that new laws will be introduced to protect the perpertrators of evil. Infact history will repeat itself
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From the 1960s onwards, the people of Zimbabwe were involved in a civil war to get rid of the
colonial Government of Ian Smith. This civil war became more and more violent during the 1970s.
There was the Rhodesian army on one side, and the two armies of ZANLA and ZIPRA on the other
side. ZANLA was the armed wing of ZANU, the Zimbabwe African National Union, and ZIPRA was
the armed wing of ZAPU, the Zimbabwe African People's Union. Ordinary people living in rural areas
of Zimbabwe were the worst off during this war. They were caught in the middle of the conflict and
suffered in many ways. They were punished by the Rhodesians if they helped the freedom fighters,
and punished by the freedom fighters if they would not help them. Many of those who went to
training camps or refugee camps in Mozambique and Zambia were bombed by the Rhodesians.
Some things that happened in the 1970s made what happened after Independence much more
likely. In particular, certain laws were passed by the Rhodesian Front, which made it impossible for
Government officials to be punished for what they did, even if they murdered innocent people
. The
Rhodesian Front and the Governments before them, passed many laws which severely limited most
people's rights to live where they chose, go to school, work, or express any freedom of thought or
movement. People in Rhodesia became used to a situation where the Government showed no
respect for their civil rights.


After Independence, these emergency powers remained in force right up until July 1990. The
Zimbabwean Government used them in the same way the Rhodesian Government did, to silence
political opponents. So the bad laws put in place by the Rhodesian Front made it easy for
Zimbabwe's ruling party, ZANU-PF, to deny ordinary people their basic rights whenever they so
chose.qouted from "Breaking the Silence,Building True Peace 1980-1988.

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In 1988, after the Unity Accord had brought an end to violence, a second amnesty was announced in
Zimbabwe. This time those who were being saved from prosecution for crimes committed against
civilians were 5 Brigade, CIO, other army units and dissidents.
The very men who tortured people in the 1970s used the same methods to torture people again in
the 1980s. Both times they got away with it and were never punished. Some of these men still hold
senior positions in the Zimbabwean Government and armed forces.


So lets not expect much from imgodoyi leyi, history simply repeating itself.


Edited by Bullet_Success (09/17/08 04:07 PM)
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#40151 - 09/17/08 04:53 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Bullet_Success]
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isn't it clear ukuthi ngobani abafuna uMgabe ajeziswe? i thought it was the victimised Ndebeles excluding those who are wining and dining noMgodoyi!! uTswangson doesn't fit that profile hence only the naive can expect him to be gunning for mugabes arrest!!
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#40156 - 09/17/08 06:51 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: mpumelelo101]
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Nanka amatshabi eqhubeka nge Shona Grand Plan Mugabe and Tswankirayi are very dangerous people. Ukuthi uTswankirayi amvikele uyise sikhangele siyabesiyizithutha zangempela. "UMgabe kavalelwe" must be our new slogan.
Mgabe must be arrested for his crimes on Mthwakazi. Nxa becabanga ukuthi sesakhohlwa manje abakaqalisi yikho bezabona izibunu zenyoka.
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#40167 - 09/18/08 02:11 AM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Kirth_Dube]
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leyinto ebivele isegcekeni ukuthi yena tshwankilayi lo ubezamvikela ekugcineni lomgabe ngoba sekuyi boss yakhe so akusela eyinye into azoyenza,abantu bakiyh basetshe nzisiwe ukuthi baphakamise utshwankilayi usephezulu sehle khuluma ubumbulu bakhe thats why kungafanele sibathembe abetshabi laba ngoba they the biggest backstabbers manje abantu bakithi basele egcekeni yena already impilo yakhe isiqale ukutshintsha.anywhere laye mgabe lo angake aqede ifive years ephila.thina kumele siqubeke ngoku gqugquzela ukuthi sithole nje inkululeko le esikhala ngayo siphume ngaphansi kwalezi zinja kuphela.
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#40175 - 09/18/08 12:25 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: mg_d]
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In the devil's own words today speaking through the Bulawayo Chronicle umgaxa Mgabe uthi;
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“We are glad some countries are more awake to the new imperialism, the new neo-colonialism, tochenjera ipapo. There is much, much more now that we are in this situation.”
He said the Politburo continues to review lessons learnt from both the 2008 harmonised and presidential run-off elections.
“One of those hard lessons we have learnt is that ‘United we stand and divided we fall’. One keeps on saying, ‘If only we had not blundered in the harmonised election we would not be facing all this humiliation. If only we had not chosen to be divided, … If only … If only…’ Yes we learnt the hard way but the Shonas say ‘Kukurukura hunge wapotswa’ uye ‘Kufa kwemurume hubuda ura.’
“Anyhow here we are, still in a dominant position which will enable us to gather more strength as we move into the future. We remain in the driving seat.”
President Mugabe said now that Zanu-PF was part of the new all-inclusive Government, “the party must of necessity work to be more united and focused, and firmly knit together.”
“If we are to save ourselves from this predicament, we need to re-organise, revive and truly restructure the party from the grassroots.
“The party thus needs re-invigorating, from cell, ward, district and provincial levels up to the Politburo. This calls for a full-time programme. It is no longer going to be part-time but full time with full time workers,” he said.


By the time he finishes with Tswankirayi kumele thina sibesesivuse amakhanda sime sithi mpo! Sizikhulule. Laba abalandela ukhanda round weshona ngokwabo kabahlale benjalo angithi bebevele bekhona oCallistus labo Nkala lamhlanje silabo bangamanye amagama.

Vuka Mthwakazi uzaze uhlakaniphe nini? Wahlala wenziwe ibhare njalo nje, namhlanje uTswankirayi ubabiza oTshimbwido be Mpoez bona baveza insini bathi veti! enjeni....hatshi mani lingazongicasula mna!

Full story at http://www.chronicle.co.zw/inside.aspx?sectid=2858&cat=1
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#40176 - 09/18/08 12:59 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: mpumelelo101]
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uyihlabe esikhonkosini Mpumelelo. we should't expect thswankilayi to cry for mgatsotso's prosecution for the atrocities he performed kwaMthwakazi ngoba he is not one of us.he didn't feel the pain that we felt , and still continue to feel namanje. since he is a self-confessed admirer kamgabe, kusho khona ukuthi during the dark days in Mthwakazi he was hoisting his flag high and evuthela nevuvuzela xhasa amanyala la enzeka.

amageja maningi abalimi bambijana...
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#40196 - 09/18/08 08:56 PM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: mashwabada]
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An opposition source close to the negotiations said on condition of anonymity: "Zanu-PF wants all the powerful ministries like finance, defence, local government and information and leave us less important ministries. We are saying, 'Let's have an equal share.'"

Mugabe told his Zanu-PF central committee on Wednesday that party divisions during elections in March had cost him a winning majority in the first round of presidential voting.

"One keeps asking if only we had not blundered in the harmonised election we would not be facing this humiliation," he said.

But the veteran leader, in an address broadcast live on television, went on to assure Zanu-PF that it remained in "the driving seat" and "will not tolerate any nonsense from our new partners".

The 84-year-old leader appealed to Zanu-PF leaders to explain to Zimbabweans that the new deal meant former opponents were now political partners.

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#40198 - 09/19/08 04:28 AM Re: UTswankirayi uyala uthi uMgabe ngeke abotshwe [Re: Gumede]
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Asila kusasa ku MDC bantu asenzeni okwethu asiphumeni manje and never take part in zimbabwean politics.

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