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#41016 - 11/14/08 04:00 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
   
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PF ZAPU pulls out of ZANU PF http://www.zimonline.co.zaby Nqobizitha Khumalo Friday 14 November 2008 BULAWAYO - Former leaders of the opposition PF ZAPU party say they have pulled out of President Robert Mugabe's ruling ZANU PF party, dealing a body blow to the once formidable party that is in decline after losing elections last March. The former leaders said on Thursday they would be holding a convention next month to choose an interim leadership to steer the revival of PF ZAPU and convene a congress by March next year. In a statement they said all political structures of PF ZAPU incorporated into ZANU PF at the signing of a unity accord with Mugabe's party in 1987 will in the meantime "cease to operate under the title ZANU PF and resume the title of ZAPU and that all structures operate under the authority of the Constitution of ZAPU". The statement added: "The district councils should meet to prepare for and convene a consultative conference consisting of the 10 provinces by December 2008, for the purpose of electing an interim executive charged with the responsibility to mobilise and restructure the party and convene the party's congress by March 2009." According to sources, Dumiso Dabengwa, a former senior member of ZANU PF and Mugabe's Cabinet is leading the revival of PF ZAPU and is strongly tipped to be chosen leader by the party congress. Other former senior PF ZAPU members pushing for the revival of the party include Welshman Mabhena (former ZAPU secretary general), former war veterans' leader Andrew Ndlovu, former government minister Thenjiwe Lesabe, Effort Nkomo and Tryphine Nhliziyo. Nkomo and Nhliziyo are presently spokesman and secretary for administration for ZANU PF for Bulawayo province respectively. The breaking away of PF ZAPU or even that of a significant number of its former leaders - coming about 10 months after former finance minister Simba Makoni also pulled out of ZANU PF - appears to suggest things could be slowly falling apart for Mugabe's party after years of internal fighting over the veteran leader's succession. Makoni, a respected businessman and former diplomat, rebelled against Mugabe to challenge the 84-year-old leader in last March's presidential election. ZANU PF later said it had expelled Makoni, who contested the March 29 presidential election as an independent but lost. He is working to form his own political party. But it would be the pulling out of PF ZAPU or some of its former leaders that could shake ZANU PF to the foundations. Mugabe's party has always used its 1987 Unity Accord with PF ZAPU to justify its claim that it enjoys the support of Zimbabweans across the country. PF ZAPU and its late leader Joshua Nkomo drew most of their support from the southern Matabeleland and Midlands provinces while Mugabe and ZANU PF are strong in the northern parts of the country. Top ZANU PF official and government Information Minister Sikhanyiso Ndlovu, who is also a former ZAPU member, was quick to deny the party had withdrawn from ZANU PF and insisted the Unity Accord was still holding firmly. He said: "Some claim they have pulled out of the Unity Accord but Vice President Joseph Msika, John Nkomo (all former ZAPU) and myself are still part of the agreement so where is the pull-out when all the senior PF ZAPU leaders are still in ZANU PF." But a former army colonel Ray Ncube, who is coordinating the revival of PF ZAPU, told ZimOnline: "The party has been revived and I can confirm that there is a management committee that is organising a convention that will lead to the holding of a congress where a leadership will be elected before the end of the year." PF ZAPU and ZANU PF fought a bitter 1970s guerrilla war to free Zimbabwe from colonial rule. The two allies formed a government of national unity at independence in 1980 but soon fell out when then Prime Minister Mugabe accused PF ZAPU leader Joshua Nkomo and his party of plotting an armed insurrection against him. More than 20 000 innocent civilians from the Ndebele ethnic minority that mostly supported PF ZAPU are believed to have been killed in the early 1980s during a bloody counter-insurgency drive by the army ordered by Mugabe in Matabeleland and Midlands provinces. The killings by the army's North Korean trained 5th Brigade only stopped with the signing of the Unity Accord when Nkomo agreed to merge his party into ZANU PF while he took up the post of vice-president in government. ZANU PF has ruled Zimbabwe since taking power at the country's independence from Britain 28 years ago.
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#41021 - 11/14/08 11:38 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Registered: 08/02/08
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Loc: Washington DC, USA
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#41042 - 11/19/08 01:58 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Mafikizolo
Registered: 08/02/08
Posts: 14
Loc: Toronto, Canada
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So what you're saying is, we should challenge this flawd system as Zimbabweans, not as Mthwakazians? I think I'm grasping your point Nqobile, it is logical and certainly deep! Maybe you should be our Obama!
UMnu uObama never advocated for the independence of Chicago from the rest of the USA, but targeted the horses mouth and today, he has overcome and is above all 51 STATES, including Kenya of course! I suppose we can draw inspiration from it as ambitious people of wider inclusion!
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#41044 - 11/20/08 10:33 AM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
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For me, ZAPU is the answer hands down. It will really strike a nerve with these amatshona creeps who keep throwing cheap jabs about the decline and failure of Zapu. Well, in the end, they are all going to eat their words in mouthfulls. I would prefer to challenge them head-on as a minority individual, just as Obama challenged the White dominated American Political scene, and showed them whose boss in their own backyard. It's not a question of a revived Zapu versus Mthwakazi Peoples Convention (MPC)but rather one of Zapu AND MPC. Both parties/movements should exist as seperate entities ngoba they have different philosophies from each other. Don't ever believe ukuthi the drivers of a revived Zapu believe or have bought into the Mthwakazi, as opposed to Zimbabwe agenda. Zapu ilabanikazi, in the literal sense so owning it as a "povo" is impossible, you just follow what the "owners" dictate. Now, is that the way forward? There's an opportunity to freshen and modernise(bring omama, abancane, abadala etc together) our struggle with a proper Mthwakazi agenda, one which will be owned and driven by you, me and all of us. Kunjalo-nje, ibambeni lingay'yeki. Zabalaza!
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#41045 - 11/20/08 12:35 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
Registered: 04/11/03
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For me, ZAPU is the answer hands down. It will really strike a nerve with these amatshona creeps who keep throwing cheap jabs about the decline and failure of Zapu. Well, in the end, they are all going to eat their words in mouthfulls. I would prefer to challenge them head-on as a minority individual, just as Obama challenged the White dominated American Political scene, and showed them whose boss in their own backyard. It's not a question of a revived Zapu versus Mthwakazi Peoples Convention (MPC)but rather one of Zapu AND MPC. Both parties/movements should exist as seperate entities ngoba they have different philosophies from each other. Don't ever believe ukuthi the drivers of a revived Zapu believe or have bought into the Mthwakazi, as opposed to Zimbabwe agenda. Zapu ilabanikazi, in the literal sense so owning it as a "povo" is impossible, you just follow what the "owners" dictate. Now, is that the way forward? There's an opportunity to freshen and modernise(bring omama, abancane, abadala etc together) our struggle with a proper Mthwakazi agenda, one which will be owned and driven by you, me and all of us. Kunjalo-nje, ibambeni lingay'yeki. Zabalaza! Reason and logic dictate that if iZapu ilabanikazi then so too for iMpisi. IMpisi has its owners.Let us be very clear the owners of iMpisi are not the "povo" We have been told here in no uncertain terms that iMpisi does the bidding of its members and only its members. The suffering and silent majority in Matebeleland has, in all probability never heard of this Mpisi. Therefore they are not members of iMpisi and for that reason they cannot dictate what iMpisi does. Mpisi just like Zapu or any other organisation with a top-down philosophy has a cabal (for the lack of a better word) that drives its agenda. More often than not that agenda is self-serving i.e the interests of the cabal overide any other matters more often than not. Of course the rhetoric that they will spout and postures adopted will all be to give the impression that they have the interests of the ordinary sons and daughters of the soil at heart. That they too feel your pain. The reality is that you could not be further from the truth!! Thus the re-emergence of Zapu and the, what can best be described as the still-birth of the iMpisi have absolutely nothing to do with the sons and daughters of Mthwakazi. At least Zapu has gone through what is at best a charade of having something resembling a consultation of the long suffering masses. It, I am made to understand, has intentions of some convention in December and a conference or congress in the month of March of next year. And all these things they have done in Mthwakazi with, as far as I can tell, little or no fan fare. In so far as I know Zapu did not make an announcement to announce that an announcement to announce the "launch" of Zapu will be made. They were no threats or promises (take your pick) of events straddling the globe (sic)to accompany this "launch". There was no website upon which nameless and faceless persons clambered on moral high horses and proceeded to mete out judgements and edicts and pronouncements on the events on Mgodoyiland. Zapu has simply launched itself where it matters most - on the ground and right in the lions's den. Whatever the reservations about Zapu (and there are plenty), for these simples acts of acting and being amadoda Zapu must be patted on its back.In that respect Zapu stands heads, shoulders, arms, legs, hands and feet way above iMpisi. Which of course is a lot more than we can say about iMpisi who in September delayed the "launch" in South Africa because of "the difficult transition" there. Unless I am mistaken, to date there has been no "launch" in South Africa despite the calming of the seas. Needless to say, there has been no launch in Mthwakazi for it would appear that the "leaders" of Mpisi have no stomach or cojones to raise their ugly heads above the parapet where it matters most. They are quite content to make the ridiculous claims of changing the face of Zimbabwean politics nd challenging the evil system in Harare from the relative safety, comfort and protection of the might mountains of New York or wherever it is that they are holed up. The truth of the matter is that Mpisi is simply taking people for fools and for a ride on a freedom train stuck in neutral - going no where fast. The reality and the truth of the matter is that after the so called launch and the flurry of activities thereafter iMpisi has gone to ground. After announcing a couple of banal and meaningless platitudes it quickly emerged that their strategy (and i use the word very loosely here!)for bringing about independence is as useful as a chocolate teapot. Velvet divorce? Negotiations? coupled with no real presence on the ground all point the lack of joined up thinking and the favouring of half-baked ideas over sound and well thought out strategies. Accusations of this being a fly by night organisation for whom this so called struggle is no more than a hobby to be fitted in between things that really matter begin to ring true.
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#41156 - 12/07/08 09:37 AM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
[Re: MTHWENTWEHLABA1]
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Nduna
Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
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The ZAPU PF machinery is grinding everything on its way, including the minor and unknown parties like MFP and MPC. The Leaders of the minor parties are known to have already jumped their respective ships and joined ZAPU PF. Is this a positive or negative in Mthwakazi politics? I posit that at this point in time this is an excellent move, the leaders of MPC and MFP have to be commended for theirselflessness, for their interests and priorities, they got them absolutely spot on this time around. This means from this very day on, Mthwakazi will have one vision, one voice, common struggle, common enemy and shared destiny.
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No Going Back On PF Zapu: Revivalists PDF Print E-mail Saturday, 06 December 2008 19:11
PF Zapu revivalists have rejected offers for an amnesty, dealing a huge blow to Zanu PF’s last minute attempts to heal a widening rift ahead of this week’s annual conference.
Last week, Vice-President Joseph Msika ordered Zanu PF chairman John Nkomo to stop any moves to expel the rebels led by former Home Affairs Minister Dumiso Dabengwa to give dialogue a chance.
But Effort Nkomo, spokesman for the dissidents, said they had resolved that there was no going back on the decision to abandon the 1987 Unity Accord.
“There is no way anyone can stop this process because it is people-driven,” he said. “We are aware that there are some of us who still feel comfortable in Zanu PF and we will not try to convince them to join us.” He said the group would go ahead with the “historic” convention to chart its future.
The convention, to be held on December 13 and 14, will coincide with the Zanu PF conference in Bindura. “The dates were deliberately set to coincide with the Zanu PF conference so that we can show them where the people are,” he said.
In an appeal to the Zanu PF rebels to return, Msika said factionalism, tribalism and corruption was driving away people from the ruling party.
He made the remarks after he was presented with findings of a commission of inquiry set up to investigate the Zanu PF officials behind plans to revive PF Zapu.
In a thinly veiled attack on the Zanu PF commissariat led by Elliot Manyika, Msika reportedly said the disgruntlement among ruling party supporters in Matabeleland was justified because of the way they were treated.
He said members of the party from the region were treated as outsiders, yet they were in the forefront of the liberation struggle.
“We are not apologetic about the revolution,” a senior official who attended the meeting quoted him as having said.
“It does not belong to the people in Harare because the revolution started here at Stanley Square.” He reportedly maintained his stance that PF Zapu was still alive in Zanu PF.
BY KHOLWANI NYATHI
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#41161 - 12/07/08 05:23 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 07/22/07
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Loc: Dallas
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#41165 - 12/07/08 06:58 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
[Re: Mthakathi27]
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Ngqwele
Registered: 07/30/08
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Loc: south africa
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This is one big step forward because okwamanje asiwadingi amaqembu angu 20 athi amele uMthwakazi we only need one party for uMthwakazi so that we can all talk with one voice and fight our enemy, if the MPC and MFP agreed to join ZAPU that is wonderful news to our ears because wedon`t want another liberty part who robbed people of their money and as for the frozen minded of john nkomo and msika and the others who happen tobe also zanu infected we don`t need them they can`t help us with anything and the former once most trusted minister of information who one day refused that the people of Matebeleand were suffering (JONATHAN MOYO) must never comr close to the ZAPU because its never associated with abathengisi abafana laye.The revived ZAPU will only need the new blood with frseh minds of young people Dabengwa can help and the young a way forward and then aphumule.
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#41171 - 12/09/08 01:12 AM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 77
Loc: UK
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The very first thing that every Mthwakazi citizen should understand is that we are not, and shall never be at competition with ZAPU. We simply complement each other. It is delighting to MPC that the song we have been singing all along is now shared by all the citizens of Mthwakazi. MPC wants out of Zimbabwe. ZAPU wants out of ZANU. ZPRA wants out of the Zimbabwe War Veterans Association. We are all saying the same thing in different levels. Having said that, the citizens of Mthwakazi must understand that MPC is already a constituted body. Our prime objective is for the Nation of Mthwakazi to be divorced from that of Zimbabwe. MPC is not in anyway advocating for good governance in Zimbabwe, for that is not our problem. We do not even foresee any good governance out of that society. Therefore, we take a few steps from what other Mthwakazi organisations advocate for. We refuse to be drawn into marriages that INCONVENIANCE our citizens. It is not true that MPC leaders have joined ZAPU. We remain as MPC. If we are going to make any coalitions, it has to be coalitions created by the meetings of our members. At the same time let all the Mthwakazi citizens know that we are in constant communication and dialogue with ZAPU as we regard them as coleagues in the struggle. This dialogue started well before they even announced their desire to leave ZANU. As far as the ZPRA War Veterans Association is concerned, any ZPRA war veteran, regardles of their party affiliation, should belong to that association. Our common factor is that we were once soldiers under the banner of ZPRA. ZPRA war veterans should stand apolitical as there are citizens who have a right to affilliation. Should ZPRA say it is accepting ONLY ZAPU members, then we kill the spirit of democracy, the very same thing we are accusing ZANU of. As far as Mthakathi is concerned, He is not a member of MPC. We do not know him, and he does not speak for us. Mthwakazi citizens should know that our Comms Department is headed by Mr. K. Dube. If need be ask people to visit our website to see the leaders of MPC. We shall soon be putting up pictures.
From MPC’s Department of Communications
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#41172 - 12/09/08 09:21 AM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
[Re: Kirth_Dube]
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Ngqwele
Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 156
Loc: south africa
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Mthembo i hope you are fine where you mfowethu lami ngisa ncenga ngase goli,yebo iyazwakala indaba oyitshoyo baba thina singuMthwakazi sifuna ukwazi kabanzi nge MPC yikho nje lokhu sihlala sicabengela into ezinengi ngoba akekho oke waziveza egcekeni ukuthi mina yimi usibanibani omele isikhundla esithile kuMPC njalo kuyabongeka ukuthi uziveze kumahlabezulu into nje bhudi awusafakanga leyo website yeqembu ukhuthi sithole ulwazi lemibuzo miningi nje kunjalo. i hope you know ukuthi isizwe sakithi is not a combined nation we have a few people who are not ndebele but asibabandlululi bangu Mthwakazi labo so mina ngithi there is no reason to have more than one parties that will devide the one small nation and we will never have a chance to win an war against amatshona we have to stand up and talk with one voice from one party and don`t you think we can be very strong if kwenzeka something like that.thina njenge sizwe we dont to be in a situation where by we will have to choose who to follow and that will make you guys to start promising lies to the people which we don`t need at this time.Nani lingu MPC taken too much time ukuthi liziveze ebantwini ihope this time we will see you guys starting to appear to the people and tell us all about you and your intentions sesisokole kwenele lathi imoya yeyhu isikhatshana kakhulu sifuna ukuwabona lama campaign wenu gents liziveze bakwethu sizolamukela ngezifudumalayo izandla ngiyabonga.
Edited by mg_d (12/09/08 09:29 AM)
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#41173 - 12/09/08 10:10 AM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
Registered: 12/30/07
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Kirth Dube Mfoka Mthembo siyabonga ngempendulo yakho enhle kangaka. Qhubekela phambili ngomsebenzi wakho omuhle, ngakuzwa kuSWRADIO uyindoda ngempela. Kukuwe lakuMPC ukuthi lingithatha njani, loma lingithatha njesitha loma njengomngane isizwalane sakoMthwakazi loma cha. Useselapho bengicela uthathe njalo ithuba lakho uphendule lombuzo: http://www.inkundla.net/ubbthreads7olde/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=41167#Post41167
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#41177 - 12/09/08 04:51 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Sakhamuzi
Registered: 05/21/08
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Kulabo abafuna ukwazi ngeMPC kumbe ukubala izindaba ezikhutshwa yiMPC department of communications ngicela lethekele iweb address ethi http://www.mthwakazitoday.com.Ngezinyanga ezilandelayo sizaqhubeka ngokwengezelela amawebsites enhlanganiso yethu okuzenelisa uwonke wonke kaMthwakazi ukuze ahlale ewell-informed ngenhlanganiso yethu. Ngimema wonke uMthwakazi ukuthi aze azokwakha lenhlanganiso.iMPC kasonto yomuntu njalo akekho ongathi uyinkunzimalanga yayo, iMPC ngeyesizwe sakithi, ngeyakho Mthwakazi njalo uvumelekile ukuza sizokwakha sonke. Yikho ngithi; SONKE KANYE KANYE VUUUU! UMLILO WENKULULEKO....LETS KEEP THE FREEDOM FIRE BURNING!
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#41178 - 12/09/08 05:50 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
Registered: 12/30/07
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Mthakathi27 will not defend himself or against these accussations from the MPC, but would like to wish the MPC a ll the success in its endeavours. .................................................................... Statement from MPC on alleged involvement of MPC with ZAPU PDF Print E-mail Written by Kirth Dube Tuesday, 09 December 2008 10:37 STATEMENT FROM MPC ON ALLEGED INVOLVEMENT OF MPC WITH ZAPU MPC wishes to categorically refute attempts to link MPC with ZAPU or ZAPU revivalists by a contributor to Inkundla forum called “Mthakathi27”. MPC also rejects as mischievous lies the allegation that MPC or any of its members or supporters have joined or are in any way affiliated to the revival of ZAPU. MPC is an independence movement dedicated to the full and total independence of Mthwakazi, its land and its peoples. To that extent its vision is completely different from that of ZAPU, which, if what we know of it is correct, wants to remain part of present-day Zimbabwe. However, as MPC we welcome the news that the former ZAPU wants to leave Zanu-PF, and we commend those members involved for seeking to do so, if what we hear is true. Nothing is good for that country at the moment than the total isolation of the present leadership of Zimbabwe. As MPC, we wish to reiterate that anyone who shares the vision and values of MPC and its independence agenda, whether they belong to Zanu-PF, ZAPU, MDC or any other political formation, or whether they are Ndebele, Shona, Khalanga, Venda, Sotho, Xhosa, Tonga, White or any ethnic group, they are welcome in MPC. MPC is not just about deconstructing the political architecture and political legacy of Zanu-PF. MPC is about a vision. That vision is about a reinvented UMR and a re-constituted Zimbabwe. Therefore, MPC is about UMR as much as it is about Zimbabwe. The partition of present-day Zimbabwe, which MPC seeks, presupposes functional separating parts. That is the future. That vision is about a re-ordered political arrangement suitable and acceptable to the people of Mthwakazi and Zimbabwe, not a force-fed farcical unity that has never existed. That is no mean task. That vision calls upon all of our people to vacate fossilized comfort zones. It calls upon our peoples to embrace innovation, innovation which will sometimes be painful and wrought with uncertainties, risks and opportunities. It requires true leadership to bring people along. As MPC we have set ourselves to building and providing leadership founded on trust. We can be trusted to lead, and to lead to the future. MPC is a movement of the future. Our solutions are futuristic and innovative. They confront and dismantle the skewed but near entrenched political foundations and assumptions of our time. MPC has never been afraid to break new ground and walk uncharted territory. For now, we have no peers in that defining zone. For MPC nothing is cast in stone. A state is a theoretical construct expressed as a geographical existence. The post-Cold War political map of Europe is a far cry from the pre-1989 Europe. The peoples of our continent have long cried for emancipating leadership. Our people, uMthwakazi, are just one people in a swathe of political misery blighting the peoples of our continent. Ours is therefore not a unique political circumstance. Therefore it is not lost to us that we stand on the edge of a historical and defining moment. As far as we know now ZAPU has not arrived here where we are and continue to be on our own. We leave it to time for ZAPU or any other political party to demonstrate that they share this defining vision for our country with us. We can only express hope that ZAPU is not hankering to a long-gone past to which no one will ever return and wants to return. The world has moved on. So must we as a people. A ZAPU, or any other party which is genuinely extricating itself from the policies and actions of Zanu-PF, represents a small step in the right direction. MPC will work with any party or group, including a democratized Zanu-PF, which seeks nothing but the total liberation and freedom of all our peoples. But we will not be cajoled or wished into political positions we don’t know. However, we remain open to anyone wishing to talk to us. MPC is not about stunts or political grandstanding. We are serious. We are not about change but innovation. On this minimum, there is basis for political engagement with anyone. Finally, MPC is a political movement which operates in the public domain. To that extent it cannot but have a very public leadership. In addition, MPC is an organization to which all individuals in it are subordinate. When the time has come for the MPC President to talk in public s/he will do so. For now, we think this obsession with individuals in MPC is misplaced when there is a job of work to be done to liberate uMthwakazi. From MPC’s Department of Communications
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#41189 - 12/10/08 11:25 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
[Re: Mthakathi27]
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Ngqwele
Registered: 10/07/08
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The ZAPU PF machinery is grinding everything on its way, including the minor and unknown parties like MFP and MPC. The Leaders of the minor parties are known to have already jumped their respective ships and joined ZAPU PF. Ah ! Mthakathi mngane wami, kanti wena ubuyithethephi lindaba engaka iDube selizelikhahlela kanje? Sengiyaphumputhe le citation yakho angiyifumani. Mina besengithabile ngisithi njengoba uZapu ekugrassroots ,uMPC usezohlomulela lapho akhona ngama resourses lokunye okuthile ukuze sisindise izizalwane zikaMthwakazi eziswela uncedo lwesiphangephange. I knee-jerk reaction kaMPC iletha ukufiphala kukanti besengibone isibane sabantu bakithi abantulayo.
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#41190 - 12/10/08 11:35 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Ngqwele
Registered: 10/07/08
Posts: 127
Loc: LONDON
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MPC is a political movement which operates in the public domain. To that extent it cannot but have a very public leadership. In addition, MPC is an organization to which all individuals in it are subordinate. When the time has come for the MPC President to talk in public s/he will do so. For now, we think this obsession with individuals in MPC is misplaced when there is a job of work to be done to liberate uMthwakazi. Kuzwakele Baba Dube; sesizolinda.Kunini sijikelana ngenyoka ephilayo emnyameni la eNkundleni nge leadership yeMPC. Sibonga u Mthakathi osilethele amahu la owomtshado le Zapu ukuze ukhiphe i statement sakho esiqukethe inkulumo ebanzi.
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#41192 - 12/11/08 04:11 AM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nkosi
 
Registered: 04/27/03
Posts: 1391
Loc: New York, New York, USA
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Bafowethu. Silibonge njalo ngokusikhuthaza. Besengiphana ngiqhubeka ngithi, asihlanganiseni amakhanda zihlobo. Ku MPC silandela yonaleyo Constitution eyatatshwa kudatshulwa yona i MPC. Our charachter is that MPC is open to individuals and organisations. At the same time we have a laid down program. Asifuni kudanisa abantu ngokubalinga sibathembise izulu lomhlaba thina sisitsha sonkeni lapha emhlabeni. Siyananzelela ukuthi bakhona abantu bakithi abalemibono emihle kakhulu. Okusidanisayo yikuthi LIYABUZA KUPHELA nge MPC. Mthakathi, without any prejudice, WOZA ku MPC. You will be surprised how much work awaits you in MPC. IBELE LIHLAKULELWA LISESE LINCANE. Yikho esisakwenza okwamanje. The path taken by MPC is not an easy one. To many people it is too new and unothodox. Many people look at it as an impossible one. To us it is the lasting solution. I say to us ngoba abanye may not share the same views with MPC. But MPC has studied history. MPC has made good analysis of the trends. MPC has taken a position. Rightfully and RIGHTFULY SO, we have no business in Zimbabwe. That is where most people miss our point. We will discuss with Zimbabwe, ONLY IN AS FAR AS HOW WE SHOULD SEPERATE. We are not able to participate in Zimbabwean politics. Zimbabwe rejected us in 1979 before Rhodesia died. How can you continue wanting to be what you are being continuously told you are not? Njalo utshelwa yibo abanikazi? Visit us at http://www.mthwakazitoday.comOKUBUHLUNGU nje yikuthukwa ungelacala. ___________________________________________________________________________________ QUOTE from Mpume:>>>we can never compare the MPC(Mthwakazi Pathetic Cowards) and the about-to-be-revived ZAPU!!we cannot even compare it to zapu2000, liberty party or super ZAPU!! it has proved beyond doubt that it operates in a univese which has been engulfed by a massive blackhole of ultra secrecy and daydreaming, though they do not know it. those of us still on earth, can easily tell that the mpc is spiraling into oblivion at the speed of darkness _________________________ those who don't use their freedom to fight for their freedom will lose their freedom!! <<< END QUOTE __________________________________________________________________________________________ IS THIS NOT THE SAME PERSON OSUKELA U CONT MHLANGA????? Li Zwangendaba.
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#41201 - 12/11/08 06:27 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
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#41202 - 12/11/08 07:43 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 20
Loc: RSA
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Mfo kaDube nami ngithi angizibongele ngombono wakho , benginokungabaza mangibheka amaqembu eseqambuka all over ethi amela ezikalobengula . Bekungabajabulisa kwelase mashoneni ukubona ezengabadi zehluleka ukuziqoqa . Yikho ngoba sekungani kukhona ukuzwana phakathi kwamaqembhu yila esifuna khona , Guys get all structures in place we will support you . Akahambe ayofa ubob yisilahlangoboya into eyabulala abantu kusukela ngo 1980 thru accidents drownings assasination gukurahundi we will prevail as for the soldiers the poverty will get into the barracks soon and you will realising you will that you have been the power behind the devil. Yemfo ngithola sengazathi uphuma ekezi well if that is the case nami ngokunjalo ngiphuma khona eduza nezitholo sikamangabu elinini yase yengweni kwesikamaphike , Ugogo wami beku Madube ozalwa Kadube emamyani .
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#41203 - 12/11/08 10:55 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
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Basing my conclusions on what i saw from ZAPU's website it is clear to me that ZAPU is a dead donkey, it has not learned a thing, it still regards itself as a 'national' party. I have no time to waste on parties like ZAPU, no in a thousand of years. I am deeply dissappointed, i thought that they would come out with a more radical philosophy or ideology.
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#41208 - 12/13/08 12:27 AM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Ngqwele
Registered: 07/30/08
Posts: 156
Loc: south africa
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mfowethu uqinisile after the collapse of the original ZAPU they will never be another original kuzolandela amafong kong kuphela abazabe befuna ukudla ngegama leZAPU, these people they can`t stand up against mgabe bazwakale the way engibona ngakhona bazo bhuqa abantu mhlawumbe bezifunela ipopularity nemali ebantwini bezihluphekela if they really want to make this happen they shouldn`t associate themselves with amatshona islogan sakhona sibhalwe langesitshona bafuna nje ukubuyisela abantu emva nami nje angiziboni ngizibiza ngayo leZAPU thina sifuna ukuyaphambili sihlukane nalezi zinja zamatshona.
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#41235 - 12/15/08 12:41 PM
Re: MPC vs REVIVED ZAPU???
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Nduna
Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 406
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
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December 14, 2008
BULAWAYO - Former Zanu-PF politburo member Dumiso Dabengwa, elected leader of revived PF Zapu on Sunday, has described President Robert Mugabe as an unrepentant leader who believes in violence to maintain his hold on power.
Dabengwa, who left Zanu-PF before the March elections, was elected as president of PF Zapu after leading a breakaway from Zanu-PF. Dr Canswell Nziramasanga of Mashonaland West was elected vice-president.
Dabengwa said Mugabe ignored advice from other Zanu-PF members to cease violence. Mugabe argued that Zanu-PF's continued hold on power could only be fully secured through coercion, he said
"When I was in government and in Zanu-PF, I used to tell Mugabe not to victimize and use violence against the MDC but he did not listen," said Dabengwa at a press conference soon after his election.
"He refused to stop using violence against the MDC saying that the power base of Zanu-PF was threatened. He was unrepentant and believes violence is the solution."
Disgruntled Zanu-PF senior officials, mainly from the southern region - led by Dabengwa - officially broke away from the ruling party and revived PF Zapu at a two-day convention held at MacDonald Hall in Mzilikazi suburb.
The move effectively ended a political marriage between Mugabe's Zanu-PF and PF Zapu sealed through a unity accord in 1987.
PF Zapu was forced to sign the accord following a crackdown on its main support base in Matabeleland. The operation, codenamed Gukurahundi, resulted in the death of about 20 000 civilians, according to the Catholic Commission of Peace and Justice (CCJP).
Dabengwa also urged the MDC to pull out of the power-sharing talks and push for a new constitution before fresh polls to solve the political impasse are held.
"The MDC should pull of the power-sharing talks as they have failed to produce the desire result and failed to solve the political crisis," said Dabengwa, a former minister of home affairs.
"It is clear that Mugabe does not want to share power with Tsvangirai. The MDC should announce the talks are dead and pull out.
"Fresh elections are the only way out of the political crisis. However, the MDC should refuse to participate in such polls if there is no new constitution. An election under the current constitution will produce a defective result as it allows Mugabe to bend the rules.
"The MDC should start pushing for a new constitution now to avoid a repeat of the current crisis, where a defective constitution in June produced a sham result."
On Thursday, Mugabe's government threatened fresh polls if the MDC did not join his government following the signing of a power-sharing deal between Zanu-PF and the MDC in September.
The implementation of deal has stalled after Mugabe refused to cede some key ministries and posts to the MDC.
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