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#40940 - 11/09/08 07:08 PM OBAMA
abafokazi Offline
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Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 115
Loc: Luton, england
Look at what Obama stands for


Originally

Borne, In

Africa, to

Manage, the

Americans

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#40957 - 11/10/08 12:43 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: abafokazi]
welly Offline
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Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK

Sure Yes and does he not support abortion,homosexuality and the such. You would do better by waving the banner of Jesus Christ than sell us the image of sinful humanity.

Just to point you to the cross for salvation. Obama is not the Messiah. THE WAGES OF A SINFUL LIFE IS ETERNAL DAMNATION

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#40960 - 11/10/08 07:33 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: welly]
Skhotha Offline
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Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 121
Loc: Empangeni
Welly, unjani mtakababa? Thina sisaphila eMgungundlovu kwelomkhulu.
I'd like to remind you of the value and prescence of choice. You chose to follow your path in life because uMvelinqange gave you the gift of choice. Please remeber this important fact when next you think of hurtling at the speed of light at unfounded attacks on your brothers & sisters.
How does your God operate if not through people? If this is the case he will use people accross the board and not just uWelly, the sacred!
Before your next leap of faith please just try to gauge your role and importance on this earth.
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#40961 - 11/10/08 07:38 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: Skhotha]
Mthakathi27 Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
This same Welly once told us to support Mugabe because he was chosen by God, he said all leaders were chosen by his God, but now Obama is being sinful. How many has he killed compared to Mugabe the murderer? Maybe Welly stillneeds the services of health practitioners.
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#40967 - 11/10/08 10:25 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: welly]
ozithembayo Offline
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Lithi elami ibhayibhili "Ongelasono kaphose ilitshe kuqala..", liphinde lithi singehluleli abantu. Ukuthi uObama unjani, kwaziwa yiNkosi yakhe. Thina siyathokoza ukuthi uphumelele ukuba ngumongameli weMelika, hatshi elakithi ixhegu elidala kuloMcCain elilokhu libangisana umbuso labantwana abancane. Liguga ligijima njengendwangu ngitshubaba. Yikho, Welly funda kuhle ibhayibhili lakho.
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#40972 - 11/11/08 06:27 AM Re: OBAMA [Re: ozithembayo]
mpumelelo101 Offline
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Registered: 06/14/08
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Loc: durban, south africa.
 Originally Posted By: ozithembayo
... Ukuthi uObama unjani, kwaziwa yiNkosi yakhe...

we all know ukuthi he doesn't know when life begins, he is an uninformed "green" advocate against safe nuclear energy, he believe certain pple cling to religion and guns in the face of tribulations, he supports the "attacking team" ie ngu "mandawo" hence his liberal record, he believes if u mess something(ie by going into the iraq war) you shouldn't rectify it(by supporting the iraq surge)
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#40974 - 11/11/08 07:45 AM Re: OBAMA [Re: mpumelelo101]
Njiva Offline
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Registered: 07/28/08
Posts: 18
Loc: suid afrika
The job of Commander-in-chief is not for sissies, I hope he will soon reconcile what he was saying during the campaign with the realities on the ground.

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#40975 - 11/11/08 09:33 AM Re: OBAMA [Re: Njiva]
mbaleki Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 08/17/07
Posts: 87
Loc: Mawaba
Welly says uObama is evil because he supports homosexuality and abortion.Welly,we should understand ukuthi to be a winning politician you should accept people the way abangakhona,homosexuals or not,phela labo balama rights,im not saying mina i personally tolerate homosexuality,infact akulanto engiyizonda njengezitabane,kodwa in the civilised world they have learned to afford them their rights.On the issue of abortion,yebo yisono ngoba yikubalala umphefumulo,kodwa i read a book called FREAKONOMICS,its an american book,and in one chapter they speak of a certain american state(i cant remember which one),where the crime rate was ridiculously high,they tried to control it by imposing stricter gunlaws,to no avail,they introduced the death penalty,still no change,then,as a last resort,they legalised abortion,and as time went on,the crime rate went down,because the number of unwanted babies,who later grow up traumatised and with a "dont give a f*&k" attitude was reduced,so maybe in a way this abortion that you call evil,isnt so bad afterall
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#40979 - 11/11/08 01:46 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: Skhotha]
welly Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK
 Originally Posted By: Skhotha

Before your next leap of faith please just try to gauge your role and importance on this earth.


Point taken , Indeed my leap of faith was well calculated and yes since i stepped outside the Ivangeli sphere and domain I deserve all the heckling, so there you have it.

I do hope where I have directed the swipe will have the intended effect i seek it to have.

Besides that I am well aware that outside ivangeli section i need to tread with earnest due care. However no one ever won a war without breaking ranks once in a while a calculated one. So enjoy it while you can I heartilly conceed.

Also I wanted to point out that the contrast between Jesus Christ THE MESSIAH is that Jesus is a perfect man and leader while all other human beings though apointed by him are not perfect and they cannot save anyone just like myself. So any abuse I have to undergoe to prove the point is worth it.

There is a wave of popular worship of Obama as if he leads by birthright Just to remind people that he rule on The sovereign decree of Jesus christ just as much as Mugabe leads or indeed the new South African leader does or Hitler ever did. They are all humans created by God and have power over subjects as is given them by God. Least anyone sujests there are humans somewhere on the planet who can overpower Gods decrees.

You see unlike other humans I have no problems or complaints with whatever God descides to do anywhere. There is nowhere in my posts here I ever solicitated that people should support Mugabe or vote for him. Surely I pray God forbids I should ever be found propounding the cause of Zanu-Pf, MDC, OBAMA,BLAIR,BROWN but only in the cause of the perfect leader JESUS CHRIST.

So anyone wanting to use Zanu tactics of pasi naye just because I do not shout your cause is rubbish. Take your terror antics elsewhere I will not be silenced about fighting the cause of Jesus christ anywhere.

Finally I have no importance on earth whatsoever considering the evil I have done in my lifetime, However mark this CHRIST has preimminence and importance so I point to him not at myself, least I shall exalt myself to my demise and misery.

Cheers folks I will steer away from politics again back to ivangeli section.

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#40987 - 11/12/08 06:43 AM Re: OBAMA [Re: welly]
okaMabhedla Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 59
Loc: Nkandla, RSA
welly mfethu, from my life experiance never align yourself with one thing strongly because the day that thing you have aligned to crashes, thats the end of you. at the same time on your way up, dont override all those whom you pass because whether you like it or not, you will be in dire need of them at one point.

therefore, on your way up the life using the christian methodology set and planned by people whom we dont know and will never know and everyone calls the whites, dont forget the majority of us blacks whom some are still into culture i.e. amadlozi, you might need them some day to come.

wena dont judge people, one day you were supporting bob and today you are refuting it of which from my christian understanding you should not do. just like you are doing to obama.

otherwise if you need all the support back to the evangelist world, am with you mfowethu. usikhulekele lathi siyokhuleka our own way and abaphansi laphezulu bazokuthethelela njalo bekubusise.

uhambekahle!!!!!
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#40999 - 11/13/08 08:08 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: okaMabhedla]
welly Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK
 Originally Posted By: okaMabhedla


wena dont judge people, one day you were supporting bob and today you are refuting it of which from my christian understanding you should not do. just like you are doing to obama.


Yet again you are trying to shove words into my mouth here my brother. my posts are available to you should you descide to quote me.

I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY POLITICAL AFFILIATION WHATSOEVER. I AM FREE FROM THE DICTATES THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS REGARD. WHAT BOB DOES OR DOES NOT DO DOES NOT INFLUENCE MY POSITION IN LIFE. BOB IS CREATED BY GOD AND CONTINUES TO HAVE LIFE AT PRESENT BY GOD SUSTAINING HIM AND GIVING HIM EVERY SINGLE BREATH HE TAKES. GOD WILL AT SOME POINT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE TAKE HIS BREATH AWAY.

I keep emphasizing and demonstrating that it is more of an advantageous position to align oneself with the rule of Jesus Christ which is spiritual and eternal and changes not. Bob will come to an end sooner or later it is definite. personally i say let him ride his time besides it is inevitable any one conscious of reason and logic can deduce this simple fact of calculation.

Neither is it advantageous to hedge oneslife on Obama, Mandela, Brown , Tsvangirayi or even Bob. All inevitably will crumble on the frailty of humans who faill all the time. You see the blind refuse to acknowledge this fact that all past leaders have failed eventualy even Solomon and David read your Bible or your history books HUMANS FAIL MISERABLY ALL THE TIME ITS FACT AND TRUTH.

So I do not appreciate your terror tactics which are synonymous with Zanu-pf mentality of labelling others to discredit them. you are copying what bob uses to have power over others. you are being more Zanu-pf in heart than anything honest or integrity. Where i am wrong simply state it clearly quoting me right. then uzoba uyindoda. use of underhand methods of character assasination in intellectual discussions is known underhand dealings. please dont draw me into it. We all know the evil dealings of political games thats why I am not a political affiliator. However I have a right and duty to comment on the policies pursued by any political figure as they inturn rule us and society. i hope this brings my thoughts on the subject to clarity.

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#41020 - 11/14/08 10:47 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: welly]
Nqobile_Mbali Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 06/17/08
Posts: 38
Loc: Nottingham,UK
He should really paint the White House pillars black, just to remind everyone that there's a new Sheriff in town!
Then again, the colour black has been really demonised by the western world for 500 years!

Blacklist
Black mail
Black Wednesday
Blackout
Blackeye
Black lie
Black hearted
Black propaganda
Black magic


GET THE PICTURE BAFOWETHU?
OR IS IT JUST ME?

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#41025 - 11/15/08 02:36 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: Nqobile_Mbali]
welly Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK
 Originally Posted By: Nqobile_Mbali
He should really paint the White House pillars black, just to remind everyone that there's a new Sheriff in town!
Then again, the colour black has been really demonised by the western world for 500 years!

Blacklist
Black mail
Black Wednesday
Blackout
Blackeye
Black lie
Black hearted
Black propaganda
Black magic


GET THE PICTURE BAFOWETHU?
OR IS IT JUST ME?


Well I like your sense of humour on the black pillars ! You Got ME! sure yes there is a new sherrif in town, quite a classic hec hec hec!!!!!!!!

Well about The West demonising the colour black I do not agree with you Sir. We need to look into these issues objectively. In our own society without western influence we have always had the colour black associated with death and misfortune. This is not a western phenomenon. We should guard against the Zanu idea that everything Western is against Africans its just not true.

All over the world in different peoples Good is associated with the colour white and evil with the colour black its a fact of contrasting issues as good and evil which are concepts not physical or concrete. Never has there ever been notions in peoples that have suggested that the race black is incapable of possessing good or righteousness on the fact of the colour of their skin. Well not all white people are good either. Yes probably the first Africans who ever saw white people may have thought that they were good because of their skin colour or the other way round but evidence has proved that ones colour does not make your good or bad its the heart thats the issue.

In our culture we do reffer to peoples hearts as either black and evil or white as in good amounst ourselves. This has nothing to do with white men as a race. I think you give too much recognition towards white people than they deserve. Beside I have never seen a truelly White cocassian they are more pale or pink in colour than anything else we can describe and definately not white in true colour. Most black people are brown in true colour so I suggest we not blinker ourselves to race lets look at the hearts of men then we shall deduce clear and true states of humans.

In the Bible it describes all men as dark not possessing light and God all light not possessing darkness. It portrays that without God there is utter darkness. At night when there is no sunshine it is dark without light and daylight is light without darkness. If you study chemistry you will learn that in the absence or light there will of neccesity be darkness. This is the contrast in all people groups of describing the contrast of what is good and bad.

So I think we should desist to categorise humans on race. Tell me would it be wrong if a white man ruled over Zimbabwe. We should avoid to inflame others to hatred of people on the basis of race or past history of people groups. We were colonised yes but we cannot advocate we turn history and rid Africa of whites and we return to living in mud huts and caves.

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#41043 - 11/19/08 02:05 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: Nqobile_Mbali]
Mlalazi5ml Offline
Mafikizolo

Registered: 08/02/08
Posts: 14
Loc: Toronto, Canada
I think you have fallen victim to western Propaganda mfetho. SOUTHERN AFRICANS are more BROWN THAN BLACK and therefore your point is illogical.
Do u consider yourself black? I don't! I know what black looks like, and I tell you, it's a far cry from my actual skin tone, even though I'm not racially mixed!
You want to see a real black person, go to SOUTHERN SUDAN!

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#41046 - 11/20/08 02:04 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: Mlalazi5ml]
welly Offline
Ngqwele

Registered: 05/16/07
Posts: 133
Loc: UK
 Originally Posted By: Mlalazi5ml
I think you have fallen victim to western Propaganda mfetho. SOUTHERN AFRICANS are more BROWN THAN BLACK and therefore your point is illogical.
Do u consider yourself black? I don't! I know what black looks like, and I tell you, it's a far cry from my actual skin tone, even though I'm not racially mixed!
You want to see a real black person, go to SOUTHERN SUDAN!


O Mlalazi bathi " a miss is as good as a mile!"

You have sidetracked and missed my whole point that when we say black people its nothing to do with a derogative term. Its a general statement of a group of people that have darkened pigmentation in their skin. when we say white people we mean a group of people that have no pigmentation in their skin thus exposing the blood muscle colouration under their skin.There are varient percentage components of pigmentation resulting in various groupings of people to extremes of black and white example Albinos or such. There is nothing racist good or bad in this grouping its description on pigmentation colour.

Perhaps there are individuals obssesed with hatred for their skin colour for example Michael Jackson but then thats another matter of sickness altogether. My point is it is vanity trying to paint the world white is bad black is good or vice versa!!!!!

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#41049 - 11/21/08 11:29 AM Re: OBAMA [Re: welly]
Mthakathi27 Offline
Nduna

Registered: 12/30/07
Posts: 323
Loc: Canada
 Quote:
So I think we should desist to categorise humans on race. Tell me would it be wrong if a white man ruled over Zimbabwe. We should avoid to inflame others to hatred of people on the basis of race or past history of people groups. We were colonised yes but we cannot advocate we turn history and rid Africa of whites and we return to living in mud huts and caves.


Wena Welly you have a problem, i think ukuthi you are naturally an intelligent person, but waswela ama opportunities to nurture that intelligence, manje isikuhlanyisa. Ucabanga ukuthi umuntu omnyama akakwazi ukuzakhela izindlu ngaphandle kwezodaka?
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#41050 - 11/21/08 01:00 PM Re: OBAMA [Re: Mthakathi27]
okaMabhedla Offline
Sakhamuzi

Registered: 06/18/08
Posts: 59
Loc: Nkandla, RSA
 Originally Posted By: Mthakathi27

Wena Welly you have a problem, i think ukuthi you are naturally an intelligent person, but waswela ama opportunities to nurture that intelligence, manje isikuhlanyisa. Ucabanga ukuthi umuntu omnyama akakwazi ukuzakhela izindlu ngaphandle kwezodaka?


mthakathi, i understand welly's problem, he is a confused chap who is in a very big dilemna needing only his loose and unpreserved uncestors to take care of him. uzojika ekhaya kwabo ngezinyawo uma sezibheda kakhulu.

i had a good friend of mine laye who started behaving like him whilst we were at college and later on went to uk and had a family and still continued with all this confusion and lack of intelligence on his part ie. making decisions. he ended up being too and extra confused to an extent okokuthi it was too much for his small head and ended up being brought back home ngezimali ze-donation.
now he is filabusi under the care of his parents. wayelandela kakhulu izintu zabanye abantu i.e. i-culuture yalabo abase bhayibhilini wakhohlwa ngezakhe i.e. isintu.

lets leave him alone, kodwa imvu yolahleko izogcina isiyibonile indlela elungileyo.
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