This is a Stance. I admire.

Zapu officials accused of inciting violence

By Linda Mpofu

BULAWAYO – The trial of Paul Siwela Zapu president and fellow politician, George Mkhwananzi opened at the courts here on Wednesday.
The two are facing charges of inciting violence and uttering inflammatory statements that were likely to breach peace in December 2002 after addressing a public meeting held by a human rights organisation, Bulawayo Agenda, at the Small City Hall.

The trial opened with the State, represented by Jeremiah Mutsindikwa unsuccessfully applying to have the proceedings held in camera alleging that the evidence he intended to produce in court contained sensitive information harmful to the State.

Siwela and Mkhwananzi’s lawyer, Nicholas Mathonsi of Coghlan and Welsh opposing the application said the application by the State had no merit and that the State was not acting in good faith.

The accused insisted that the proceedings should be held in an open court.
The presiding magistrate Themba Kuwanda ruled that there was nothing wrong with the proceedings being held in an open court since one of the documents intended to be used as evidence is a “14 paged document” which had since been made public. The “14 page document” is alleged to have been crafted by Zanu PF senior members calling for the marginalisation of the Ndebele people and outlines how the party intended to proceed against the tribe.

The Investigating Officer, Detective Sergeant George Ngwenya, of the Law and Order Section who was the first witness told the court that the police were invited to the meeting held on December 5 2002 to discuss the ‘14 page document’ which was circulating in the country.

The document was titled ‘For restricted circulation, For the eyes of the Shona elite only. Please pass to most trusted person. Progress review on the 1979 grand plan’.

He said although there were three other speakers beside Siwela and Mkhwananzi, he arrested the two because they had incited the people of Matabeleland to rise and fight President Mugabe and the Shona people.
In their defence the pair said all the speakers, including themselves, suggested that the people of Matabeleland should lobby the government for an improvement of their conditions, as it was their constitutional right to do so.
The next hearing for the case was set for June 2

Unless these two gentlemen had laid down the plans and means to carry out an uprising, theirs was recklessness of the highest order.

There's nothing admirable/heroic about this kind of recklessness. A calling to arms just for the sake of it is to endanger a people already under siege!

Hayi bo, asiyek' ukudlala nge gazi labantu!

It looks like they calculated well. They are no resultant deaths but a court case. They knew it was time to "call" for a revilution not to implement. Get ready wena planna. It could be considerd reckless in that energy is being wasted and anger is being vented out shouting rather than actual confrontation

we people of umthwakazi we unmistakably know our leaders come darkness or rain.we people of mthwakazi can not be duped by dubious politicians whose trek record is largely associated with the same devil we seek to uproot from power.Siwela has always boasted with absolute impunity that he can access mugabe at his offices without any need for an appointment.the stage managed arrest of the two ndebele impostors is only a CIO ploy to identify and gauge the strength of the seceesion movement.they are being used as a magnet to woe all pro federalist and secessionist activist into a trap door.Just like cow dung attract flies to the dung , siwela and mkwananazi are the same to us.THEY are not of our own, buut they are the enemies weaponry.One does not need to be reminded how siwela endeavoured to split the mthwakazi vote through his mischevious zapu party.it is not that we are leaving them to be hung and dried by the regime.SIWELA is la red herring designed to throw spanners into our quest for empowerment. CIO deliberatley maufactured thm with all intents and purposes to produce a red herring in the political field. Once beaten twice shy ,we wont be screwed twice. l say shame on you the impostors.l urge all the mthwakazi community at large to shun this scum with all the contempt it requires.mthwakazi has leant albeit the bitter way about the existence of impostors in our midst.we have learnt to tread very careful.l kindly urge you mthwakazi omuhle , dont be caught in mugabe's snare.siwela and mkwananzi are a bait by the CIO unmask all of us in the rank and file of the movement to ensure mthwakazi is represented in all spheres of life in zimbabwe.

Bafowethu.

Ngizaphuma egcekeni ngendaba ye Bulawayo Dialogue. This was not in any way organised by ZANU. Correct me labo ababekhona. Lami nginje ngasuka ekhaya on the run ngenxa yomhlangano wonalo. Angikaze ngisapote i ZANU mina. But, I want to say openly kini bantu bakithi, kungaba khona esesaba ukutshelana khona bhadla njengalokhu okubekwa ngu ININA. Indaba ka Siwela ike yabamba ko Bulawayo bantu. Yiyo into nje engingathi yenza abantu bangamthembi. Kodwa ngibona angathi kunengi okwenzakalayo. ZANU is very hapy uma singathembani. Lathi we are very stupid if we think ZANU can ever play to our tricks. There is no need to make any aligence le ZANU lakancane bafowethu ngoba nxa into seziseduze lokulunga, they always change the position of the goal posts.

Kambe kasifundi kwenzenjani???

Ngiyakuhlonipha ININA ngombono wakho, kodwa bengicela ukuthi nxa abantu bele EVIDENCE, bayibeke sobala ngoba into yama HUNGAHUNGA iyasidabula isizwe. Nxa kulobufakazi, sizamtshiya u SIWELA afele ejele kamfowabo, kodwa nxa kungela bufakazi, ZANU will have struck gold.

Ngizaphinda njalo ngeluleke ngengakubonayo empilweni yami, loba incane nje: SABABONA ABAFOWETHU - TODY, GODFREY (COMMANDO), SOWETO, NGIYAZANA, BULLET, FANUEL, LABANYE ENGINGASABAKHUMBULIYO, KODWA BAKHONA ABABAZIYO, BEBULAWA KUTHIWA BANGABATHENGISI.

Namhlanje ufakazi lwakhona lungaphi.

Mina ngiyadedeka nge emmotion esiyentela abantu bakhithi, kodwa sithatha kancane ngokona okwentiwa NGABASIZONDAYO.

Inzima le indaba. UFAKAZI yilo oluzakwenza u Zwangendaba asuthiseke.

Li Zwangendaba.

kusenkundleni madoda ekuhle.why did it take mgabes gvm two years to bring these siwela guts to court,lf zanu pf is stepped on a sore feet they run all four corners of the world to ensure whoever has wronged them goes under.[the so called statement were recklessly uttered in 2002 , why the silence all along and the sudden unearthing of the case . ltis common knowledge that siwela is funded by the state and he is a CIO operative.siwela was allowed to even bring his campaign trail at the UZ and all over harare, proper zapu was never allowed to bring their campaign to the MT PLEASNT campus, the reasons being security problems. MDC has many a times requested access to the UZ but they have always met stumbling blocks.does this not leave question marks on our brothers crediblity?Many a times siwela has been taken to task about the source of resources he lavishly spends on his campaigns,if the sources of his resources were of clean people he will gladly disclose them.

Akuntuthu kungelamlilo. Inina liyebeka nje obala and those have always been the thoughts of level minded people bakaMthwakazi all along. Isifiso sethu kwakuyikususa inja endala endlini. Sabona kungathi kulobubelo singasebenzisa umdlwane ukususa le endala. Sama ngemva komdlwane kuma parliamentary elections. Sithe ngokubambana kwethu, wangena uSiwela labakwakhe badunga amanzi becabangane ukuthi umdlwane ngeke unathe. Wanatha. Ama resource abo oSiwela we questionable and abazi kahle ngezombangazwe, it's not an overnight venture to set up and finance i party. Wangena waze waphosisa ngokufuna ukuzisekela eqenjini lebhola i Highlanders. Ukuxhamanda kionke lokhu showed a desperado with dubious intentions ebantwini. Abangaziyo, inja endala iyadla imidlwane yayo nxa sekunzima. Siwela and co we pawns in a deadly game and now they are being sacrificed. That document has been in circulation for years and at one time inja endala even responded ngayo. So what's new about it okuze kwenze abantu babe tried for inciting violence namhlanje. Asilumuke bakwethu. Impethu ingena ngenxeba. Bakhona laphakathi kwethu khathesi abangabe be catshe ngomunwe. Sizafika isikhathi esizalibona ubuyini benu. Angilandaba loba siya monitwa!

At one point I understand this Siwela guy tried to donate millions to Highlanders Football Team but this was declined by Highlanders!

I hope they made a good decision!

I understand this was during the campaign trail and he was adopting the Jonathan Moyo stance of splashing out money for votes!


Now uSiwela uyithatha ngaphi imali le? Why is he not coming clean ngama donors akhe?


If Zapu had already adopted ukuthi they were not going to contest the elections as a party, why did Siwela and company decide not to follow suit?

AbeZapu akelisichasisele!


Kasimgconi uSiwela but the fountain of his resources are questionable in as along as he does not disclose those funding him and company!

They now have some us on the run. They soon will have some of us scared to talk about the genocide and marginalisation in case we are persecuted like Siwela. That is exactly what they want.

On these so called leaders, why do they continue to represent the same people that do not have faith in them. If a significant portion of the people that they claim to represent have rejected them why do they continue to speak on behalf of those people? Why does Siwela continue to to force and impose his leadership on a people who have misgivings about his background and credentials?

Wouldn't it be a dignified action to step aside and let the people be led by somebody in whom they have unquestionable trust? Unless of course if he "has a job to do"

Why again do we have Zapu (Zapu in Diaspora) being led by people who obviously do not have the backing of the Mthwakazian cross section at large? People who will always be eager to defend they questionable past and actions? Why do these people appear on the media and continue to talk on behalf of Mthwakazi if they do not have the the full backing. Is it because "they have a job to do?" I wonder.

In the days of old if the king was sent a parrot by the elders, he knew what to do, he would step aside (or more precisely take his own life)immediately. If the people don't trust you, there is no way you can claim to represent them.

Bafowethu

This malicious McCarthyism that is slowly developing in our midst is worrying to say the least. It has the potential to poison relations between ourselves. In the 1940s or 1950s there was
an American politician who thrived on weakening others by labelling or branding them communists. Thereafter, such a branded fellow found it very hard if not impossible to recover. Basically all such branded souls faced both oblivion and anonymity.
Let's not brand our fellow people "sellouts" before even the courts pronounce on their fate. This could be a strategy used by Mgaxa to brand any Mthwakazian leader a "sellout" so as to scuttle his vision. Remember certain people who surfaced in this forum some time ago, specifically to give credibilty to some claims that one member of this forum was a CIO operative. They surfaced simultaneously in large numbers only to disappear when genuine forum members challenged them to back their facts up with evidence. To this day one is yet to hear from them. Look , iam not in any way suggesting that such crooked people(sellouts) do not exist, no, iam saying lets be forensic in our dealings and avoid a situation where we become dismissive thereby rendering ourselves toothless.

I have made some swingeing attacks on the credibility and the tactics adopted by the two accused in this trial and some of our colleagues have advanced similar criticisms on their credibility here.

I stand by the view that exhortations to Mthwakazians to fight modern weaponry with spears and shields is irresponsible to say the least and doomed to tragedy and even worse than tragedy, doomed to FAILURE.

Having said this, I would like to agree that the two accused need to be given the benefit of the doubt regarding their motives and their financial backing.

I would like to go even further and say that should it transpire that they do indeed deserve our deepest suspicion for the worst reasons even then the opportunity must be extended to them to allow their rehabilitation because if they are who I fear they may be then they will have inside information and access to classifiend information and state secrets that will be extremely valuable in the future.

The example that springs to mind is of course that of a certain Enos Nkala who will one day have the opportunity to support the investigations and prosecutions of Gukurahundi offenders thanks to his intimate first hand knowledge of the orders that came from the very top to the very bottom of the death squads.

There are no reasons that I know of for me to admire Mr Siwela and I am sure there are no reasons for him to admire me but fair is fair.

I just wish that the State had decided to prosecute Mr David Mpala for example or Mr Patrick Nabanyama rather than imposing the death sentence by summary injustice.

I wonder whether it is possible to calibrate the effectiveness of an opponent of the regime according to whether he is given rough treatment or soft treatment?

In any event I am sure Mr Siwela thanks his lucky stars or whoever else is responsible for allowing him to live for the purposes of this trial.

I hope we learn a lot in the process.

Sizabona lapho okuzawela induku loxakuxaku kundaba ka Siwela. Uzatsho laye phambi kukuamahluli ukuthi umele bani. We heard uMandela ku Rivonia Treason Trial ezitsho ukuba yena 'it is an ideal that he is prepared to die for'

Kayilonde indaba yakhe we will be watching with interesting eyes as it proceeds le ndaba. Singadidana nge ngqondo, asimeni singayibambi ngekhanda inhlwa. Maybe u right u Mtshede nxa esithi simphe i benefit of doubt. Kodwa laye uzilethele lolu dubu ngokungabi sobala in his dealings. Azabakhona amahemeheme as long as he is not an open book.

I aslo think that it is also right for us to sit back, sit tight and watch this Siwela Indaba unfold.

As the Indaba unfolds we will be able to come to conclusions ngala amajaha.

I am sure uZulu will protect them at the time of her choosing.

For now uZulu ubukele and is following the indaba with interest.

Bafowethu.

Mina indaba ezinje ziyangesabisa ngoba sengake ngatshiswa Ngumgaxabe ngo 1985, lo 1987. Sasingamalunga e Campaign Committee ye ZAPU, icala kuyikuthi sidingani e HARARE.

Lizangixolela ngoba ngiyahlanganisa indaba. Siphakathi babesitshela ukuthi sithi "Incriminate" ezinye inkokheli zethu. Ungala they torture you and go out and spread the WORD privately ukuthi wena usubasebenzela.

U Siwela angimvikeli sibili, ngoba udaba lwakhe lokungananzi u MADLELA onguye ongu President ku ZAPU sikhuluma nje ngiyalwazi. Kodwa okokuthengisa angikwazi. Into engesabisayo yikuthi sizahleka umuntu etshiswa kanti kala cala.

This brings me to the argument I always put forward, kanti thina kasiziboni sisenza okwethu singelabo na ABASIZONDAYO???

IJELE KAMGAXABE KAYIMNANDI BAFOWETHU.

I wish I had power to make our people including Siwela realize that NONE BUT OURSELVES can chant our path to freedom. Ukuxamalaza lokhu umuntu uyaze adabuke.

Li Zwangendaba.

Mr Chairman, allow me space to try and say a few words regarding Siwela and Mkhwanazi.

I am disturbed by the level of myopia and shallowness that has been displayed by some people claiming to be Mthwakazi advocates. I think this idea of calling each other names should end because kayakhi. If anyone has problems with individuals confront them and leave Inkundla for serious debate hatshi amandlwane.

It will not be proper to call others omafikizolo kupolitics, but some levels of ignorance are compelling. I was once called a cio on this site and when i trecked the source of these accusations only to find that it is the very same people who tried to burn me in the house with my family. My sin was the formation of Vukani Mahlabezulu, Imbovane Yamahlabezulu and the revival of Zapu. There are the very same people who took me and LIQWA GAMA to the magnet house in Bulawayo. I say shame on you nzalo yabafana. You can call us names and label us anything, but what we have done is above your means.

ABOUT PAUL SIWELA.
I have known Paul from the time when he was at Mpopoma Secondary in the seventies. I have seen him through his political carrier until the first time when he contested the paliarmentary elections in 1995 as an independent canditate against ZANU PF. From the time when he left the PTC to run his own small business no one has ever had any problems with him. He was Mthwakazi,s darling after his appearence on ZTV tearing Jonathan Moyo in 2000. So where did he wrong?

Problems started after ZAPU,s visit to SA where the ANC started talking so high of him and sounding the possilbility of him succeeding Nkomo as the leader of ZAPU. This was not publicly pronounced but one could tell from the press conference they addressed on their arrival from South Africa at the selbourne hotel. ZAPU had sent a delegation of three. Considering the relations that we always enjoyed with ANC in the past, it was the advise of the ANC that ZAPU should participate in both the parliamentary and presidential elections. When an argument was advanced regarding the spliting of the vote those fears were dismissed as we were not going to make any difference at all. What was important was for the party to register its federal idealogy and that Mthwakazi can also vie for the highest office on land. ZAPU convened an executive meeting and the party endorsed the suggestions and the central committee passed them. So we went into the paliarmentary elections with full knowledge that we were going to lose. That is how some people got to know about federalism. Then came the presidential elections were Siwela polled the least votes. This is when all went wrong. The central committee did not want the party president to stand as he was unpopular and almost a liability. He refused argueing that he was to be the candidate as the head of the party. I was at pains in trying to convince him to accept the party,s decision as there was no constitutional basis for his arguement. He then went to MDC and asked for assistance and they offered him more than $400 000 AND THEIR PARTY CARDS, legal assistance through a lawyer who has since told all about it. He made a deal with MDC and they agreed that if he gets a court interdict barring Siwela from using the party name, MDC would in turn offer him the position of a govenor in Mat/South. So his world crumblled when MDC lost the election. He is now a very strong critic of MDC. The MDC youths who were used to masquerade as ZAPU, s central committee members are all party of ZAPU today and they have said it all. At one point they went to demand the balance of their payment from this man for the job done in the presence of a journalist. Iam free to give some of their names if the need arrise. MDC employed the same tactics in trying to split ZANU NDONGA towards the same election. Ask their member of paliarment he will tell you.

I have no regrets for refusing to join mdc and i still insists it would have been disaster for Mthwakazi had they won the elections.

SIWELA BUYING Highlanders

The club sent an offial to his office asking him to try and facillitate a meeting between the club and Jonathan Moyo. The club wanted to ask for $8million for the champions tournament. He told the official that it was impossible as they never saw eye to eye with the minister. He asked if there was anything wrong with him giving the club that money. The official sort a meeting between Siwela and the club board members and some executive members. His only condition was that he be allowed to hand over the money to the club at the stadium without saying a word. This did not go down well with other members who supported MDC so much. Mind you this was towards the election. Some members then went to the press and the story started that Siwela was given money by ZANU to bribe Highlanders. I know both the writer of the story and the club members who provided the story to the reporter. Both are here and are longer mdc members. I can name them if a need arise.I have spoken to both of them and they agree that it was polical expedience.

WHERE DOES HE GET HIS MONEY FROM.
This fellow called Paul Siwela is a businessman. Ask merlin, Bata and national blankets. He is the managing director of Kingchem. He supplies chemicals. At a time when we were earnig $5000 as executive officers he was making almost ten million a month. I knew his financial position because we use to audit their books and offer him financial advise regarding investment etc. Also his wife is a professional employed fultime.

It is not true that his case is comming up now as a cover up as suggested by someone. When these guys were arrested they spent 18 days at Khami until they got bail. I raised their bail from this side and sent it home. Others at home also contributed. The last time they appeared in court was probable their sixth appearance. If one is suspicious regarding the time factor , what would you say regarding Tswangirayi,s case which took even much longer.

AS for George Mkhwanazi, this man is the current President of Imbovane YaMahlabezulu. He is a cut above the rest. Anyone wishing to talk to them their contact details are Mkhwanazi 0026391286805, Siwela 0026311606257.

Lets desist from baseless accussations as these will further divide and weeken us.

Awungeke ukhubeke uhlezi, ingamzala umuntu koMhlahlandela. Siwuhambile umango awubanjiswane kuzakuba seduze lasiyakhona.

I hope i am within your prescribed limits Sibalukhulu. If i overlaped my apologies.

NgokaQwabe
UHlayisa amadoda ngegonondo
UPhakathwayo kaKhondlo

Mina my interest in Siwela is the stand he has made. He is making public what I would think many Ndebeles want to resolve. His court date was postponed because of a funeral http://www.newsnet.co.zw/index.php?nID=906

However I seriously doubt a regional part can kick out ZANU. It is highly unlickely. USiwela the way I would understand is very emotional. That is great because without passion one would not get very far. But the problem with being entirely emotional is what happens if the passion dies and you have not got what you want. You still need somehow to fullfil that want.

I hope in court truly Siwela reveals a lot of things explaining why Shona's must be kicked out of Matabeleland with spears nobody has. But at least he will say it. There is such and such a document such and such obvious things have been done to undermine Ndebeles and if he sues ZANU the better.

Gentleman do not reveal secrets excapt those in the very past. USiwela if he is friends with the ANC great but does iSitha need to know that. I have had many people tell me so and so was meant to replace Nkomo.

I was there in Johannesburg when Siwela came talking about the idea of a Matabeleland Development Fund in 1996. I still think that is a great idea. Clearly Siwela had a lot of connections in South Africa, the meeting was well organized. The Matabeleland Development Fund did not take off. In hindsight, I blame us not Siwela. Siwela was at the meeting with one of the Hlalo brothers. That is a brilliant idea and I sincerely hope it will be undertaken soon, madoda i1000 rands each sibelamashares, hatshi, four weeks with no booze. Anyway that is past we learn from our mistakes.

This thing of Ndebeles cooperating has existed and would have worked where it not for the envy of Shonas. I mean amabutho we ZAPU put money together to buy ranches and hotels, iZanu yabatshotshela, shame bafowethu.

Hatshi, mina uSiwela I wish he exposes what he must in his court case, but when I vote I want ZANU out.

In my thinking Siwela is alife because MDC was the bigger threat, not because he is a sell out. uMthandazo Ndema Ngwenya died not because he is more Ndebele loving than Siwela but because at the time there was no large opposition and the awakening of Ndebeles was a threat, Ndebeles or the people of the region of Mthwakazi. I hope you can understand my thinking. Now for ZANU Ndebele nationalism is a threat, but the bigger threat is losing political power and that is the MDC. If Siwela sais what he said at the time of Ndema Ngwenya he would have died or if lucky driven into exile.

thanking you for your timely response MQO.Your efforts in trying to allay our fears over the above issue is highly recommended.however , dear mqo, by expressing our discontent on the sanctity of the above guys does not mean we are myopic nor shallow minded,knowing you as l do mqo, l will regard the above unfortunate words as a slip of a tougue.

mqo, when mthwakazians start questioning the nobleness of ones' actions , more often than not something untoward will be taking shape.l believe in the sincerity of your attempts to cleanse the soiled integrities of the two gentleman concerned, but in mthwakaziland we always say 'ugodo oludala alweluleki'
despite your spirited efforts in helping us to view the two guys in different light.
lt is equally incumbent on the two questionable guys to convice uus on the sincerity of their actions.lt is not our calling to condemn any of our brothern to political oblivion but it is the nocturnal doings of some people which condemns them to polltical extinctness.
MQO,having held directorshiop post in siwela's zanupf funded companies , l fully comprehend the zest with which you will rise to defend the gentleman.
lts unfortunate because you have vested interest in siweal's pie , you will always trek considerable miles to protect your gravy train its only natural.
my slight discomfort with your attempt to cleanse the gentleman is that you have a conflict of interest.lt is understandable that having worked with him ,it is probable that yoo too could have been recruited into the same stable for good or for bad.
l dont comprehend how if his genuine business activities were generating a handsome revenue as purpoted by you, how come he has always been evicted from his business premises for failing to pay office rentals for over one year.
am l not to believe that, his ecomomic woes led him into become the judas of our political times?
l have taken the liberty of talking and discussing with siwela most of the times when he is in harare which he oftenly likes, in my discussion with my dear brother l have found his answers very devious
l also question his eligibility to attend certain gvm functions, this lways lives a sour taste in my mouth
lam not condenming our dear brother, but there is something of the night about his conduct.
he must come clean and we will surely march hand in glove with him
lastly when a member of our esteemed forum espresses an opinon discorded to yours , it is inappropriate or unfortunateto label them mentally myopipc and of being of shallow minds.we are against the stratification of the honourable forum members

ngiyabonga bobaba, lina ondlela zimhlophe, lina baka malandela, lina omjukwane kandabe.

Bafowabo!

Obviously, the advent of computers, internet lokunengi okunjalo, has openned up communication channels in such a huge scale never imagined before. I for one admire this and will never stop marvelling at technological inventions zama selula lama computer. It is some of the finest arts and sciences zomuntu.

Udubo nantu,nxa sixoxa on a forum like this ngamabizo abantu, ngama ideas ethu, izifiso zethu and the like, for how long to they remain uniquely hours or do we now own them with the enemy. Nguyakhumbula how the Forum party yadilika ngenxa ye infliltration yama CIO, who were largely Ndebeles. Lakhathesi akhona amaCIO asebenza kubo Msika who carry Ndebele names and they could be very well among us. Esikuxoxa lapha masinya kufika endlebeni ze Zanu and the individuals quickly identified. They will study your weaknesses masinya and diliza you the way they did uLearnmore Jongwe! Imicabango yethu ibasegcekeni and we are exposed and in danger as a people. I trully support the ideas being modelled here and would be the happiest being seeing them come to fruitition.

I apprecaite our frustrations with our dispersion and yet wanting to build together. Nxa, sifuna ukubumba into eloqotho, we cannot do it this way, NEVER! Ngitshilo in another posting yesterday ukuthi ngilusapo lweZAPU. Ngangimfitshane yes, but nxa ubaba exoxa khathesi, it was all underground work. Sasisizwa kuphela sebengaba botshiweyo in the strangest of places. Omama labo were completely taken by surprise ALL the time. You have to be very discreet, isitha sethuke selisitshaye nge surprise. This is a very dangerous game.

If what I am reading on these pages are just critiques and academic exercises, it is still potentially dangerous. We can hide behind anonymity, but it is not enough. Always remember ukuthi ekhaya kulendlala and ukuthenga umuntu olambileyo kuthsipile. Sesabayizihwaba too much!

Mqo, ayi, ngiyabona uyabhada lapha lapha. Maybe into etshiyo liNina ukuthi njengoba lawe ubungu directorship yama kampani ka Mfowethu, ungabe ule selective objectivism. Ubhekane lokuthi isinkwa sakho sisindelwa kuphi. In one of you statements Mqo ukukhuluma nge ndaba ye $8m eyayifunwa yi Highlanders. I want you to take a step back mfowethu and look at the 'real' idea behind i publicity that he wanted, ngoku presenter i cheque at the stadium. Fine he could have been looking for i extra mileage for his campaign, but honestly if he had the people in his heart, kwakuzabalula nje ukuthi adlulise nje leyo mali and wait for i Highlanders to see how they were going to acknowledge that gift. To me, that smacked of personal aggrandisement. One other thing that you don't realise mfowethu is that leyo Highlanders yi team yabantu, eyesizwe and has no political affiliation.

Just a bit of clarification, The auditing standards and ethics do not allow one to audit an entity were one is a stakeholder. I have never held a directorship in the same company as Paul Siwela. You are free to check the records with the registrar of companies in Zimbabwe. ININA should read and understand my statement correctly.

I agree fully iHighlanders yithimu yesizwe, but induna foods would present its sponsorship to the team eBF so that we buy their products. Let our analysis seize to be selective. However i do not suggest that his idea was right, not at all.This was and still remains as his right.

SGERO i have no reasons zokubhada. That time i will never have as i devote more of my time to the revolution.

Nevertheless i remain grateful to ININA and all of you gentlemen as i have learnt a lot from your contributions. Lets be positive . What is the way forward?

hayi Sgero ipolitics layo its a business phela he was selling his ideas ebantwini and he wanted to make sure people bought into his ideas and his missions got exposure to enengini.Kanti akula muntu owacomplain-ayo induna foods nxa yayimarket-a ibizo layo ngebosso yona induna foods yaze yaba lebizo layo kuma uniforms ebosso njani yindaba layo ingadonetanga imali and izithulele without any mention to anyone ukuthi iyasponsor ihighlander?
Mqondo, thanks a lot for clearing everything about uSiwela he's a warrior and kuyamangalisa ukuthi abantu yindaba befuna ukugcona one of our own without even giving him a chance to hear his ideas lalapho avela khona.How then will Mthwakazi prosper if we don't support amaleaders ethu?USiwela has been spearheading icampaign yakhe for uMthwakazi for a longtime and its so sad ukuthi he's not even getting the praise he deserves from the very people that he's fighting for .Yes he's made amamistakes laye especially ukuthi asebenzelana leMDC ,but i still feel abantu shud be behind this great Mthwakazian ,who has sacrificed his own safety for the good of the ndebeles ,AMANDEBELE ASEMPHIKA LAMUHLA ,its really a shame .
Phansi nge MDC ,THEY DON'T HAVE NDEBELE PEOPLE'S INTERESTS AT HEART ,we are all on our own here kasibumbeni iqembu lethu ngokuthembana lokusebenzela ndawonye,
free Siwela!

Amatshono bantu abahle. Mqo lo Lovejoy, lingaqathanisi izinto ezimbili ezingahambelaniyo. Induna Foods is a company (without any political affiliation) whilst u Mfowethu had a political jazi ayeligqokile. Highlanders transcends across political boundaries, so does i Nduna Foods. Ngako kulungile ifake umbala wayo ema jesini yale team. Kodwa it was not the case ngoMfowethu majaha amahle. Had uMfowethu come up nge nkampani yakhe, hatshi i party yakhe, yebo ngasikhuluma okunye.

I way forward Mqo, ngithi mina asilindeni inhlwa iphumele ngaphandle, hatshi ukuthi siyibambe ngekhanda ngoba sonke siza lembono ehlukeneyo, mhlawumbe ayisiyo yona uqobo lwayo alubheka ngayo uMfowethu. Kuzavela ngekuyeni ekuthethweni kwendaba. Mina ngokwami angimlahleli izandla, I'm just being careful where I put my effort and all in, qha nje!

Sgero uqinisile

Bafowethu.

Le yiNkundla uqobo. Mina ngikulunga le ZAPU. Ngizayibeka ukuthi kuliqiniso ukuthi sadonselana sekuyiwa okhethweni. Abanye bethi kasingeneni as ZAPU, abanye bethi kasimeni eceleni sibukele.

Singakhohlwa ukuthi lolu khankaso lokuthi singene loba cha, lwaluvele solukhona ngesikhathi sika 1999.

Nansi indaba: Kwavela ukuthi bakhona abathi support i ZANU, ngokufuna ukwehlukanisa i VOTE, and get ZANU to win with a wide margin.

Nansi indaba: Kwavela ukuthi bakhona abathi support AMAKHIWA (MDC) wona engasenzelanga lutho ngesikhathi iGUKURA lisibulala. Kwehlukana imibono kwaze kwaxatshwana sibili saphose satshayana e Greys Inn. Owakubonayo lokhuya wasuka edanile. Thina esasivela e HALALE sabuyela emisebenzini sisehluleka lokunatha endleleni. Even after Highlanders beat that Mozambikwe team, amakhanda ayevele ese sangene.

NGIYAFUNDA INDABA EZINENGI LAPHA ENKUNDLENI NJALO NGIFUNA UKUVUMA UKUTHI ZINGIVULA AMEHLO.

Ukwanda kwaliwa ngaba loyayo uqobo. Ngizalithenga elika S'GERO othi yena: "SINGABAMBI INHLWA NGEKHANDA".

Ngiyakuhlonipha kakhulu S'GERO. Ngiyalihlonipha Mthwakazi ngokungibonisa into ebilokhu ilithunzi ENGQONDWENI yami. Ubaba u Cont (Malumez) Mhlanga wathi, "Mkhulu lomsebenzi".

Li Zwangendaba.

Gentlemen and Ladies salibonani. It is my first time here and i like your contributions. I never thought of contributing but has been drawn in by what Zwangendaba wrote.

Zwangendaba mfowethu tell people the truth you and me were used by Madlela against Paul Siwela.(At that meetimg you are talking about we never discussed about ZANU PF and the meeting was full of MDC members. Just be honest or say nothing if you dont have. I am not attacking you but asking you to be truethful.) This was not clear as me and you were on the periphery of the ZAPU activities. Madlela appointed people to his personal executive trying to save a face. You are one of them and i am the other. You were appointed as the foreign affairs unconstitutional. Zeblon Khumalo was to be the Secretary General. We are both back in the main stream party excluding Madlela, and working with Paul Siwela. You are far away and you are not being told the truth by Madlela. Contact us back home and we will tell you the truth as you never nearer the real ZAPU party. Some of us had the opportunity to talk and get to know the founders or revivalists of this ZAPU. Iam refering to Magonya and Cont. Dont waste your energy abput the old man. Its only youy and him only.


LISALE

Yintwenjani?

Mthwakazi , sizakufa lokhu siphikisana enkundleni amatshona e bulala isizwe sakwethu.

Ngaphandle kwe ZAPU ngubani omele Umthwakazi na???

BAFOWETHU.

I WANT TO CORRECT THIS MYTH.

Okwakuqala I have been in ZAPU since 1975. I never joined any other party in my life. In 1976 I joined the liberation strugle. In 1980 I demobilised and got a scholarship through applying to the UNDP to go to Ethiopia.

From 1982 August, I have been involved in ZAPU activities up to 2002, when I left Zimbabwe.

In 1999 when people where reviving ZAPU we were also invited and I came to Makhokhoba representing amajaha akithi ase HARARE. So I do not think my History in ZAPU starts in 2000.

YILO UDUBO ENGILUTSHOYO OLWENZAKALA E GREYS INN. PEOPLE WERE BUSY TRYING TO ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH EITHER SIWELA OR MADLELA.

I had strict advice from my colleagues in HARARE that mina I am there to represent ZAPU and I communicated that to both Madlela and Siwela and Goden Moyo who spoke with me at large. I even phoned some of our eager guys in Harare and Goden heard for himself their sentiments about the policies of ZAPU.

Then some of the members in the meeting, who had been vetting people to come in decided to go out and hold a seperate meeting else where. Technicaly they had lost since the meeting had been declared open in their presence.

AS FOR THE POSITION OF FOREIGN OFFICE, I TOLD THOSE PRESENT IN THE MEETING THAT I AM TAKING IT ONLY AS AN ACTING POSITION AND REQUESTED THAT A CONGRESS BE CALLED QUICKLY TO HAVE PROPER ELECTIONS. THIS WAS BECAUSE I HAD FRIENDS IN FOREIGN OFFICES IN EMBASSIES E HARARE. I STILL HAVE THOSE FRIENDS AND THAT IS WHY I AM ADVOCATING FOR US TO HELP OURSELVES, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT IS DIFFICULT TO ASK FOR MATEBELELAND WHAT WILL END UP EZANDLENI ZE ZANU. I EVEN SPOKE AT THAT MEETING AND SAID AS ONE COMMING FROM HARARE, I WAS DISSAPPOINTED BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING TO REPORT TO MY CONSTITUENCY.

Undoda engangihamba laye wayevele esezonde engasafuni lokukhuluma.

In ZAPU I was not appointed by Madlela, I was representing my constituency. There are some of our Inkundla members who have phoned me recently asking me for opinions, SHOULD THEY BE HONEST, AND I ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK ABOUT ME, they will tell you that I have told them my position about this post, and THAT ALWAYS IF THEY INVITE ME TO ANYTHING, I ALWAYS SAY I NEED TIME TO CONSULT MY CONSTITUENCY.

Thina silokhu sabuya egangeni, asizange silahlane. So what ever slight you are trying, to me it will not work, because I am not for SIWELA or MADLELA, but for ZAPU. Njalo ungasebenzisi ibizo lami ukudedisa abantu ku ZAPU.

NXA UMADLELA AKUSEBENZISA, MINA KANGISEBENZISANGA NGOBA LAYE USIWELA ELO DUBE U SKHUMBUZO NGABATSHELA OWAMI UMBONO NGE ZAPU.

Li Zwangendaba.

uZwangendaba I have never experienced anything from you on this fine forum than kindness and a readiness to engage in constructive dialogue.

I am not saying I would like to offer you support as you do not need it.

But I would like to ask you for some advice.

As a person who was never related to ZAPU I have respect for what the institution historically stood for as an almost monolithic representation of Mthwakazi.

I cannot praise ZAPU in history because as a structure which contributed to liberation and earned the loyalty of the people it does not need my praise.

But please tell me what am I to make today of the party where there is clearly such indiscipline and personal careerism at work?

You have defended yourself well and eloquently in this forum but why was it necessary for you to be placed in the position where you had to do so?

If Messrs Siwela, the would-be votesplitter of the Presidential election and Cont Mahlangu, the protege of Muzvanifundo Moyondizvo, are for unity why are we seeing the isolation of the likes of uMadlela, who, as far as I know, may or may not be an older gentleman but who has an impeccable record of integrity and an absolute resistance to taking a shilling from the various instruments of Mgodoyi's filthy regime?

I am trying to compare the ZAPU of yesterday with the depleted and divided organisation of today.

It is quite difficult to do so.

Please explain how you as a true custodian of the spirit of the best of ZAPU propose to cleanse and revive your organisation.

Zwangendaba

Yeyi baba! Yini le evelayo manje? Kanti kwenzekani ngempela wena wekunene?

Sekuyacaca ukuthi kukhona okunuka santungwana la! Kukhona okushay’ amanzi! Ngek’ inuke inyama ingosiwanga – ngeke kushunq’ intuthu kungekho ilahle lomlilo!

Sengiyabona manje ukuthi wena Zwangendaba awukho as clean as you project baba wami! Kungenzeka ukuthi lababantu abavelayo bekuhlaza njengamanje are only the tip of the iceberg. Mhlasimbe kusazovela abanye abazodungulula yonke inonovithi yakho - bakukhumule ibhulukwe enkundleni.

Uthi wena ubungummeli wesigungu sakwaMthwakazi esise-Harare; kodwa awusho ukuthi labobantu obani. Angikutholi kahle. Ngokwazi kwami, uMthwakazi okufanele nimlwele utholakala ewuquqaba khona kanye kwelikaMthwakazi. Pho labo abase-Harare obafihlayo wobani? Akusingabo Mgodoyi nje?

Yeyi ndoda, kanti iZAPU yenu injani? Kuyacaca ukuthi iZAPU yenu le igcwele izinswelaboya zodwa. Nidayisa ngathi! Madoda, nadlala ngemizwa yabantu nje? Nadunga izingqondo zabantu abampofu nje? Kanti madoda ninjani?

Okunempondo akufihlwa emgodleni.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
uVeyane.
okaShiy' osefile.
Inkwali yenkosi.
uMtubatuba kaSomkhele.
uShamase kaNdonga.

There are a lot of Mthwakazians working in Harare not because of choice but because of companies relocating there or simply as a way of destroying Mthwakazi by draining it of all the brains and people of integrity thereby allowing their unscrupulous and unprincipled to fill up the vacancies in Mthwakazi. I say this from experience as I was uprooted from Mthwakazi to Harare so as to make way for someone from Zimbabwe to fill the place with people from across the Mnyathi. I therefore would advise caution to those who would be quick off the mark to paint those Mthwakazians domiciled in Harare with 'black paint' kumbe ngebhizha likamvundla as it were. It should be noted that we all could not emigrate to eGoli and those Mthwakazians in Harare were forced into the situation by the same forces as those that forced our brothers to go across the borders.

I think we are falling to the machinations of the isitha by conducting all these witch-hunts. I believe uMgodoyi has really found our mark in so far as ukungathembani kwethu is concerned. Asibambanenini bafowethu if only to complete lumsebenzi. Lokhu esesikwenza akwehlukananga nix lokwezinja ezibanga ithambo lalo lingelanyama kumbe umnkantsho.

Thanks mfokaSiphepheli ngokuveza lendaba yokuphephela ukuthi awuzikhetheli wena wedwa kodwa the circumstances put you in that situation..ngeke sathi bonke abakaMthwakazi abaseHalale as well as those in diaspora ngabathengisi.
Inzima lendlela,ilameva.angazi mhlawumbe yimina engilahlekileyo but is this the best place to start accusing and naming each other or we are just exposing each other to our enemies?
Mabila dade,l respect umbono wakho ngempela and utsho uqinisile ngoba lokhu osekwenzakala lapha yikuziveza kuma C10 for sure.
let's be victors not victims!!

Bafowethu.

Ngiyabonga Siphepheli. Mina ngangena e HARARE ngoba ngafundela ubu ENGINEERING be NDIZA e ETHIOPIA. Njalo akula ma Hangar e Ndiza ko BULAWAYO. Lokho kwenziwa ngesikhathi sika Smith.

So being an Aircraft Engineer, I could not go to Bulawayo to find a job in my trade. Now, uma usazi anyone ku Air Zimbabwe, babuze ngami lama Principles ami lokuthi u Minister wabo u MASANGO wathini kimi sengimtshele ngoku hlonipha ama Principles.

Amajaha ase Harare abanye bayayilonda le Inkundla. Banengi abangaziyo, njalo ngizakuchathekela ukuthi mina indlu yami e Harare ibibizwa ngama Pholisa ukuthi yi Bulawayo Embassy. Akulalutho ebengilwesaba. Abafana be University babuze abanye bebeku Mbovane yamahlabezulu, Bebethi nxa befuna ukuhlanganisa amakhanda njengakhonokhu esikwenza khonapha eNkundleni, bebesiza kudla INHLOKO emzini wami e Harare. In those meetings, some of our University guys were very explicit ukuthi kabafuni ukuthatha amaSide, bafuna ukuma as IMBOVANE ukwenzela ukuthi kube lama "checks and balances in Matebeleland". Ngawuhlonipha kakhulu umbono wabo. Angisoze ngibatsho amagama abo, abazitsho bona. Mina ngiyabavumela ukuthi balitsho elami igama lecala lami balitsho.

Njalo ngizacaca ukuthi BEKUNGAMNANDI NSUKUZONKE, kwamanye amalanga bekulwiwa, kodwa akekho engimkhumbulayo etshengisa ukungahloniphi abanye. Besiphikisana sibuye siqondisane. Ngikwejwayele mina lokhu.

MNTO, Ungixolele baba, angisoze ngitsho amagama abafowethu ebengisebenza labo e HARARE.There is something happening ekhaya. Utshilo omunye wethu the other day wathi "singabambi inhlwa ngekhanda". Ngemva kwe posting ka D. Ndlovu, ngikhulume labanye eKhaya, bathi kimi hayi wena!!! Sekule ZAPU ethiwa ZAPU (FP). Ngizwa ngilamahloni ukutsho lento ngoba uMtshede ungibuzile wathi yena in what way can ZAPU represent Mthwakazi yona idabuka kanje? Mhlawumbe kukhona akwaziyo. Kodwa njengoba ngikhatshana lekhaya, mina I only rely on the people who elected me to represent them,"ON AN ACTING BASIS" until the proper leaders of ZAPU are elected at a Congress.

D. NDLOVU: NXA KUNGUWE KUNGASI IMPOSTER, KHUMBULA LA AMAZWI AMI NGISITHI MINA SENGIHAMBA. INTO ESEMQOKA KIMI YIKUTHI NGINGABUYI EKHAYA NGINGU MYANGA. UBUYANGA YIBO OBENZA ABANTU BACINE BESETSHENZISWA LAPHO KUNGELA MUNTU ANGAKHOLWA UKUTHI "NGUYE SIBILI UZIBANI LOWA OSESENZENJE???" AKHUMBULE MFOWETHU, SASISEMZINI WAKHO, NGILABANTWABAMI, LAWE ULABANTWABAKHO, NTAMBAMA, SELIKHOTHEME ELIKAMDALI NQANGI. AKHUMBULE MNTAKA BABA.

Mtshede baba, I have been assured by my constituency that what I am doing is within the parameters of ZAPU, not ZAPU (FP), or ZAPU(PF) cha.

Njengoba sezizinengi kangaka lezo ZAPU, mhlawumbe kuzafunakala i UNITED ZAPU. When someone leaves ZAPU on their own will, and then offices are filled-in to facilitate operations of the Party, that person can not come around and say "Bakhethelweni" labo bantu, as if things should stop working because of him.

Baba Mtshede, mina ngikuZAPU endala. I ZANU yaphuma kuyo. Ezinye lazo ziphuma kuyo. This shows democracy. If one has a differing view, and can not accomodate themselves in the status quo, they are better off out of the situation. We sacrificed a lot during the war to let people mislead others as to what or who is ZAPU. The ZAPU I know mina kayila ma Classes of people. Nxa abantu bengawathandi lawo ma Principles, kuzakwehlula ngoba yibutshapha obusibuyisela emuva.

NGIZABUZA UMBUZO OWODWA KU D. NDLOVU. NXA ENGUMUNTU OVUMA OKUSETSHENZISWA, NAMHLANJE USETSHENZISWA NGUBANI UKUZE ATHI NGE POSTING YAKHE YAKUQALA AHLE AHLASELE UKUTHI SENGISELE NGEDWA KU ZAPU.

I foned our "non-existent" members in Nkulumana yesterday, bathi kimi ngimekele loyo. Bona balokhu beku ZAPU. A point of information: When Nkomo decided on "UNITY" with ZANU, yithi ama ex-combatants esalayo ukumlandela ngoba sisithi akucacanga lokho akutshoyo. Sasibulawelwa abafowethu, sibotshwa mihla layizolo. Lalamhla abantu bayabulawa, abanye asikwazi ukuthi banyamalalela ngaphi.

LIYAKWAZI NJE UKUTHI THE ADVENT OF IGOLI IS BEING USED AS AN EXCUSE FOR THOSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE??? " Abanye bazakuthi usesithini uZwangendaba". Kodwa silayo i information siswela abasincedisayo ngoba ungakhuluma labantu bakithi, they call you a divisionist and trouble causer, until TROUBLE knocks at their doors also. Nxa sebesithi "lokhu okungabantu", it will be too late ngoba lami ngiyabe ngingasabathembi.

Babuze Mntongelakudla, MHLASIMBE bazakutshela ngami.

Li Zwangendaba.

Zwangendaba

Wena wekunene!
Wena waphakade!
Wena wangenhla!

Cha ngiyakuzwa baba wami. Ngempela - ungihlule singalwanga.

Ngivumele ngiveze ilaka kulesisigungu.

Uvo lwami yilolu:
Iqembu lenu leZAPU leli liyindida. Sekuyacaca ukuthi abantu sebelihlazile igama laleliqembu in pursuit of selfish motives. Njengamanje, iZAPU iphazamisa izilokotho zikaMthwakazi ngoba iqhatha abantu, idunga izingqondo zabantu, idala umhobholo nenzondo emphakathini, abantu abasathembani, abanye basebenzela isitha ngayo iZAPU le and others seek to further their selfish political fortunes by hoodwinking abantu using ZAPU. Others attempted to use their ZAPU versions to split the Mthwakazi vote in 2000 & 2002 elections to ensure ZANU rules forever. Sekunemikhakha eminingi yezi ZAPU - kuxaka ukwenza!

ZAPU has been discredited. It would be unrealistic for anyone to pursue Mthwakazi liberation using ZAPU as a vehicle.ZAPU has become synonymous with bikkering and opportunism. I say, let us cease using it as a vehicle of Mthwakazi transformation beacause izohlala isixabanisa. We may successfully unite the current 3 types of ZAPU and hope for the best. But tommorrow a mischief maker may revive his own version. Then it becomes a circus - not that it isn't a circus so far!

I suggest that any movement for Mthwakazi transformation must henceforth exclude from its leadership, all those people who have previously held any executive positions in ZAPU of any kind. This is because they have proven to be factionalists and are susceptible to bikkering. Every initiative by Mthwakazians has been destroyed by these ex-ZAPU elements. For example, we are told that Liberty Party in Joburg was highjacked by an ex-ZIPRA general and turned into isonto leZayoni! Now there are 3 types of ZAPUs! Washington Sansole (ex ZAPU) was involved in the polarisation of Forum in the mid 90s.

Bandla lakwethu, mina kaSomkhele ngithi: bonke abake bahola yinoma muphi umkhakha weZAPU, mabamele eceleni. Mabangazibandakanyi ekuholeni uMthwakazi kwezepolitiki. IsiZulu sithi: 'inkunzi isematholeni'. Ngithi mazivuke izinkokheli ezintsha kwaMthwakazi, ezimagama amsulwa emphakathini. Mazivuke phakathi kwentsha yesizwe sakwethu. Lezozinkokheli singakwazi ukuzethemba. Abaholi bemikhakha yonke yezi ZAPU zamanje nezakudala - mabahoxe, babengamalunga omphakathi jikelele (ordinary members of the public cum supporters). Mabangalibambi iqhaza njengeziphathamandla! Ngiyacela tu!

Ukubonga kumnandi.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inkwali yenkosi.
uShamase kaVeyane.
uMtubatuba kaSomkhele.
okaShiy' osefile.
okamthakath' owathakath' emini.

Inxangphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.

uZwangendaba I would simply like to say that you are a true torchbearer for ZAPU values of old.

As such I hope your light will continue to shine.

Those deviants from the noble tradition you espouse are illuminated by the principles to which you remain loyal and shown to be wanting.

None of us believes in splinterist politics which tend to reduce broad movements to tiny ineffectual cliques.

Irrespective of your or my individual opinions I would like to reiterate again and again that we need activism from a broad range of opinion holders and formers each of whom will and must find their way to ensure Mthwakazian issues are not dropped off the agenda of faceless men in smoke-filled backrooms.

It is no secret that my own practical politics are closer, for practical reasons, to the views of Mntongenakudla but if I cannot recognize and admire consistency and adhesion to principle there is something wrong with me, and not you.

If ZAPU was something good then something of ZAPU will continue to be good.

Bafowethu.

If you have noticed my previous contributions, I have tried to maintain that there are differing opinions and all should be respected.

My object is one, to free my people from all form of BONDAGE. The strategy: TO INVOLVE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE I PURPORT TO REPRESENT.

Once I say mina sengilandela UZIBANABANI, ngiyabe sengiphumile endleleni.

MNTO: Let us share this, let Mthwakazi come up with a FORA, on which all the people of Matebeleland, including us the "DIRTY ZAPU", can have a common platform, to free ourselves. Do not exclude us in the solution to our freedom, for we have to enjoy it together. Mina I do not consider myself a POLITICIAN, I am just a LIBERATOR, and when my work is done, like I did in 1980, I want to go into bussiness and demonstrate that ilizwe lakhiwa ngomnotho.

Ngibuhlungu mina ngoba ngo 1981-1983 sahlanganisa imali zethu thina as ex-combatants and bought Farms, Hotels, Tuorist Resorts, in an effort to convert ourselves from COMBATANTS to ECONOMIC BUILDERS. You all know what happened. Up to today we have not got back our properties which we bought with our DEMOBILISATION MONEY, not leyi ebuye ngo 1996.

How many of our people are helping us on that issue. U NKOMO uze wafa elokhu esithi kuzalunga. O Dabengwa ungeke usa khuluma labo. They are either consulting with BOB or waiting for Msika to come back to them on that issue. But in NEWSPAPERS, we are said to be about to get "something". Were we not involving ourselves in the development of Zimbabwe???

FOR THE PAST 24 YEARS OUR PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEMSELVES AS ZIMBABWEANS. OUT OF JEOLASY, THE REAL ZIMBABWEANS HAVE REFUSED TO RECOGNISE US AS SUCH. SIBATSHIYELE LIFA BANI ABANTWABETHU???

I just saw BBC the other day isithi kulo PASI obotshiweyo e UK engenisa abantwana bama Ministers and ZANU officials illegally in the UK. Siphile njani labo laba abantu bafowethu. "Mistake after mistake after mistake, or is it a real mistake ???"

Li Zwangendaba.

ZWANGENDABA

Former nitram properties were recently handed over to their former owners, there was a function in richmond, conemara and in khami in which msika presided over the handing over of these properties.

if some properties are still illjegally held by the regime , why is the current mthwakazi war vets mum about assetts which rightfully belongs to them. is it not that some mthwakazi cronies have been bribed by mgo using the very properties which are in question.

if l get my way , l will be able to share with you some minutes of the so called talks leading to the ill fated unity pact.
ln the infancy stages of the unity talks , one of the crunch issues which constantly derailed progress in swallowing zapu into zanu was the issue of party assetts.

l for one is at loss as to why the issue of the confiscated properties was never discussed serioulsly at these unity talks
these were not zapu properties but assetts of patriotic zimbos who wanted to turn their swords into plough shares and effectively demostrate and dispel any misconceptions of terrorist as nothing but a bunch of corrupt lazy gun totting communist.

l urgge the concerned ex combants to institute legal proceedings against mgo , l believe this the only rational path into unearthing the whole saga surrounding these properties.

l have got an inkling that some of our mthwakazians are not clean ion regard to the above issue.
zwangendaba , l urge you my brother if posssible kindly give us an inventory of the assetts which were seized my jongwe .this will help us in compiling a detalied report which we acn use to awaken the masses about the thieving acts of mgo and his gukurahundi hounds.

in the efforts to reclaim what is rightfully ours from mgo, mr zwangendaba if posible can you prove that these assetts were acquired using ex combatants resources as oppossed to being zapu properties. any legal endeavour to reclaim your assetts will be redundant if you can not prove proprietorship of the said assetts.

the deafening silence of the msikas , ngdabengwas and company gives credence to my allegation of waters not being still as they cosmetically appear to be.

Bafowethu.

I am realy pleased to hear the above input. But I have a lot of concerns.

When I was in Ethiopia in !981, savakatshelwa ngu baba u Gearge Silundika. Wasichathekela ngokwenziwa ngabanye ekhaya using their monthly demobilisation pay. He gave us a list of all the properties that were on offer from the "WHITES" and it was attractive.

We fell for the idea and for 2 years we contributed with the other comrades. Now, it should be understood that we contributed our demob pays. Also a lot of our documents are said to have been destroyed by ZANU ku KENNETH KAUNDA HOUSE. ungivula amehlo by instituting a legal action. I wonder, are you a lawyer. I could speak to some of our colleagues and we come back to you, or someone who can help.

Okunengi touch me on Ngwana1maseko@yahoo.co.uk.

ISINTU SITHI ILIFA LEZIWULA LIDLIWA YIZIHLAKANIPHI. SIPHINDE SITHI AKUQILI LAZIKHOTHA EMHLANE. Yikho angazi ukuthi isihlakaniphi lesi siliqili na???

Li Zwangendaba.

they are a number of legal instituions notably the law foundation and other law NGO's who are impartial in executing ther legal duties

allow me gain to strongly emphasize the importance of any documentary evidence to give credence to your claim as rightful owners of the confiscated properties or else the burden of proof is heaped on your shoulders, knowing the cunning and deceitful ways of zanu-pf you must summon reserve energy to surmount their theiving ways.

unfortunatley, dear brother lam a mere lecturer at one of the tertiary academic institutions, enyuvesi ye harare, my knowledge of legal issues is as good as yours

Being a lecturer is a big deal. A very big deal. Badlula kuwe.

manje .................

In what form or conditions were the property returned to the owners. Were the following issues considered?
1) Time value of money, appreciation, obsoleteness of products and depreciation.
When these properties were taken, were they left to lie fallow or they were used to earn income? If they were put into use who benefitted and who was supposed to benefit? If they were not used to earn any income did the confiscators pay for the unearned profit through the non-utilisation of resources that were meant to give its rightful owners a decent living through the generation of income?
2) Ownership of the property: when the property was confiscated they were taken way from an organisation or organisations, now that zapu is non-existent was the property returned to the War vets associations? What happens to those who were forced to flee the country especially during the Gukura era? What happens to us who were supposed to be distant beneficiaries?

3) I should think you are aware of where i am heading to,- "COMPENSATION", on top of all the property returned there must be a huge compensation to cover for all those years of unnecessary toiling deliberately metted on our people by Mr Mugabe and his friends. The business organisations that Mugabe disbanded must be helped to regroup and re-form and get them back on their feet, get them working again.
In a nutshell, Zanu pf must help in the revival of Zapu pf of old, the zapu that it swallowed unshamedly. Hand back all its powers, so that zapu and former zipra policies could be successfully implemented, it is never too late to do good.

l echo your sentiments, however the vital issue at stake is the ability to prove proprietership of these assetts confiscated by mgo.

why l insist on our brothers to prove their legal title to the assetts in question is that, mgo can argue in a court of law that such assetts were the properties of pf zapu and as such pfzapu almagamated with jongwe , hence according to statutes governig mergers , this property in question is now a true assetts of the combined zanu pf

absolute care must be taken to disaccossiate the assetts in question from those ones owned by zapu. because mgo is an expert practitiner in reaping where he did not saw

more importantly zwangendaba and company has a tall order to also prove that such assetts were not being used for activities likely to breach the peace and stabillty of a sovereign democratic country.mgo will will go all lenghts to prove that your confiscated assetts were being used as tools for subversive activities, hence by the powers vested upon him as prime minister he reserves the right to seize ant assetts being used to breach the peace in his country.

these are the hurdles you have to contend with in your genuine attempt to take back whaT IS RIGHTFULLY YOURS

Bafowethu.

Sesidliwa ngumthetho ongayisiwo thina. Ngiyakuzwa sibili Inina. Kodwa nansi indaba: A lot of our friends are still alive today. Common Law in such situations must prevail. When (PF)ZAPU went into marriage with ZANU(PF), a lot of us refused that marriage.

Therefore ZANU can not claim that which stands subjudice.

Mgaxabe has never genuinely attempted to solve this problem, because these properties had been leased back to some white business people by Mgaxabe( How ironic when one is now claiming to be advancing the BLACK PEOPLE!!!) Maybe as Ndebele we do not count as Black to him.

Kulabafowethu asebasitshiyayo, how are their children being accomodated by MSIKA & Coy??? This reminds me how this 1996 war veterans fund was being issued. There is no accountability.

Who does the vetting??? When it is known that they deliberately destroyed records in Kenneth Kaunda Z.H.

Kodwa kangiboni kusehlula. Nxa abafowethu bengasoze behlukaniswe yikuthi abanye siyabe sesifuna ukuthandwa, singathi kungcono those assets be given to be held in TRUST for the whole of Matebeleland and Ndebele Midlands. Angithi yithi abantwababo. We can not all lose because of LEGAL TECHNICALITIES. Abangamagqwetha akeliyihluze sizwe.

Kubuhlungu lokhu.

Li Zwangendaba.

Zwangendaba

Wena wangenhla!
Wena wekunene!
Wena waphakade!
Wena wakwaNgwane!
Silo samaSwazi!
AmaSwazi emvelo!


Ngivumele ngiveze ilaka.
Ngivumele ngiphose itshana kulesi sivivane.

Uvo lwami yilolu:
I’m not a legal fundi. The only law I have studied is Commercial Law, Tax Law and Company law. This does not qualify me to be a do-it-yourselfer in legal matters. I’m no legal guru.

Having said so, I believe you guys have a huge elephant to push up the stairs in your attempts to retrieve your properties. Pay attention to my arguments baba wami.

· If the said properties were bought under the auspieces of ZAPU, you cannot retrieve them. This is because ZAPU legally dissolved in 1987 and became ZANU. Thus all its properties, risks and rewards, effectively accrued to ZANU. There is nothing you can do about that. Even if you personally did not espouse the 1987 matrimonial contract, that counts for nothing. ZAPU the entity that Mgo ate in 1987, is taken to be representative of all the supporters, including the dissenting members like you. And dissent is common all over the world. So eyakho did not, is not counting and will not count for anything. Ngakho ma ufuna ingxenye yomcebo weZAPU, join iqembu lomgodoyi (ZANU).

· Legally, you must have challenged the very ZAPU-ZANU marriage in 1987. You must have based your challenge on the fact that ZAPU constitution wasn’t followed in dissolving it. Thus the whole union should have been deemed null and void by the high court. Subsequently, you could then follow up on your ZAPU properties that became ZANU property through Nkomo’s illegal dissolution of ZAPU.

· If on the other hand, Mgo expropriated your ZAPU property in his capacity as Prime Minister – then that brings another dimension. It means that the said property was seized as a way of eliminating the harbouring and sustenance of terrorism that threatened territorial integrity of Mgodoyiland. Therefore, when ZAPU was swallowed in 1987, legally, they could not claim right to property that had been expropriated in the fight against them (ie ZAPU terrorists). ZAPU had lost legal claim to these assets to the State of Mgodoyiland. The only redress they could get would have been based on umusa kaMgo ngoba ehlose ukudala ukubuyisana noxolelwano emphakathini.

· However, if the properties that Mgo repossessed belonged to a company, then you may have a chance. A company is a separate legal persona. As such, the marriage kaZAPU no ZANU cannot be said to also bind the legal person of the companies that owned ZAPU properties. So njengamanje ningakwazi ukuyibeka enkantolo indaba yenu, nilwe nizwakale ngoba uMgo akasakwazi ukunibiza abashokobezi (terrorists) ngoba seningabafowabo kwiZANU.

· I find it interesting that ZIPRA members are now found all over the political spectrums (in ZANU, ZAPU 2000, ZAPU PF, ZAPU FP, MDC and apolitical). This makes it difficult to unify the voices and interest groups as to formulate a plausible case for the demand of the expropriated ZAPU properties. It may happen that those ZIPRA who benefited from the War Vets fat compensation payments and land reform, may resist any legal challenge to Mgo. Afterall, they are part of ZANU and are responsible for some gross human rights vioilations themselves. This fragmentation will weaken all your noble efforts. And even if Mgo were to hand over the properties, who will be the genuine beneficiaries? Which ZAPU deserves the properties? What about the omafikizolo who now trumpet ivangeli leZAPU yensangu, bedunga izifiso zabantu, qede badlale ngemizwa yabantu?

· If the assets are to be placed in a TRUST to benefit Mat & Midlands people, I see a catch there. Mgo may as well as say, the said assets are already benefiting the said region since ZANU is a national party with leaders of all ethnic groups represented in the echelons of power. Food for thought.

That is my 2 cents worth of contribution.

Lastly, Zwangendaba, allow me to reflect with sadness that the ZIPRA guys have not lived true to the nobility expected of them. Behold some of your ex-brothers in arms are part of the mayhem of terrorizing Mthwakazi in the name of ZANU. Yini lento? How do you draw a line between them and the good guys that espouse the Mthwakazi revolution of freeing ourselves from the shackles of Mgo?
This selfsame spirit of ZIPRA/ZAPU inconsistency is manifested in the revivalists zeZAPU. Bayaxabana, bayahlazana – siyawabona wonke amahlazo abo!

This is why Zwangendaba I previously called upon you guys who have at any point held executive titles in ZAPU to please step back. Isikhathi senu sidlulile. Kungani nikhipha inyumbazana ama ex-ZANU akwiMDC, yet nina ex-ZAPU anifuni sinikhiphe in all pro-Mthwakazi organizations? Are these not double standards on your part gents?


uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inkwali yenkosi.
uShamase kaVeyane.
uMtubatuba kaSomkhele.
okaShiy' osefile.
okamthakath' owathakath' emini.

Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.

Ummm inzima le ndaba ye properties ze ZIPRA. Ngiyawuzwa umbono ka Mto. Okungiphicayo lapha yikuthi ngifunde somewhere ukuthi some of the properties were recently given back. Aphiwe bani and baphiwe ngaliphi? This then gives rise to the fact ukuthi oZwangendaba and other comrades have some ground zokuthatha uMgo to court ukufuna the remaining properties. Kumbe yimi engingayibambi kahle?

Bafowethu.

I have just touched home and ama ex-com ayababa. This is all a political gimic just like they do about the Zambezi Water Project, towards every elections. Just like they did to the Land question just towards the elections.

A number of ex-coms, who contributed their demob pensions, are saying they also saw it in the papers that the properties have been given back. NO MORE CONSULTATION TOWARDS THE WINNING LINE.

It is not known what or which properties were given back. To whom, in what capacity, in what state, and the feasibility. Eish! badlala ngabantu. Matebeleland is a winning card for all political wish-washes.

Udubo kasilamali. The situation at the time of stealing of our properties by Mgaxabe was not conducive for us to challenge them legally. But that does not mean they can dance and think sesilahle amaphika. After the unity, it is known we challenged the continued holding of our properties. It is also known that our leadership had promised to get that settled POLITICALY. I do not know any law, but I think that there is what is called COMMON LAW.

It is known that there was no war going on in Zimbabwe, and no terorism as Mgaxabe himself has regreted and called that time, in his own words,"A TIME OF MADNESS". I wonder whose madness. He has since refused to apologise. So legaly we have a case.

AS YOU RIGHTLY SAY MNTO, THE PROBLEM NOW LIES WITH US AS WE ARE SO SPLINTERED IF WE WERE FIREWOOD, WE WOULD NOT EVEN WARM A CUP OF TEA.

I want to differ with you on the nationality of ZANU as a Party. The people of Matebeleland refused ZANU outright. Those NDEBELE leaders in ZANU are Mgaxabe's headnodders. We did not elect them. That card should not hold any water either.

Even as some of them pretend today to be doing good for us, we know what they have done before. UNGANGITSHISA NGABOMU, UBUSUSIZA LOMUTHI WOKUNGELAPHA UTHI NGIZAKUBONGA? KHOHLWA.

But your input is very educative to me, PLEASE allow me to print and fax it to somebody who is looking at this case from a human rights point of view.

Li Zwangendaba.