The MDC will field candidates in all the 120 constituencies in next year's parliamentary elections and is determined to break Zanu (PF)'s stronghold in the three Mashonaland provinces.
The party's Director for elections Ramious Makuwaza said all the sitting MPs will likely be allowed to stand for re-election in next year's watershed poll because they have been satisfied with their performance during the last five years.


Njengoba Zanu already has the 2005 election "in the bag", is this a wise move for the MDC?

Mntongenakudla, uma ungelakho ongakutsho, awuthuli ngani?

Skuvethe

First and foremost, I invite us to cease from attacking each other's person. This is not benefitting anyone. Let's all strive towards cooling down the temperatures in this forum. Let's avoid this pitfall of targeting each other per se , without due regard to the gist of argument. Let's try to manifest our intellect as opposed to brawn. Let's strive to promote a ping pong of ideas without creating enmity. Let intellectual prowess prevail with constructive crit.

Coming to your case as presented now; may I say this: I do not own the MDC. Neither does anyone. I live in Mtubatuba and you live overseas. We're both far from the madding crowds zakwaMgo. As I said before - we're all tributaries of this great river of pain. The common enemy is Mgo. And as a tyrant, he is living true to expectations by tightening his grip on power. So what do we do?

MDC is correct in fielding 120 candidates. What else can they do? Would we rather have them sit back and allow Mgo to get 100% legislative majority? I say no. This unwise. Neither can they boycott the elections with the intention of making an obscure statement to the international community. This is Africa Skuvethe. No one cares about human rights abuses by the Executive. Mgodoyiland people are all on their own emakhazeni. It is up to you and me to fight on for freedom amidst the repression and tyranny. The SADC & AU are partial and can only bless any fraudulent victory that Mgo achieves in a flawed election process. This is sad.

I say, history has shown all over Africa that the opposition has to always push an elephant up the stairs in an attempt to dislodge the incumbents. The electoral playing ground is always heavily skewed in favour of the incumbent. Never has any opposition that kicked out the incumbents been given the victory on a silver plate. In Kenya, Malawi, Ghana and Zambia, the dictators were vanquished against the odds of violence, skewed constitutions and gerrymandering. The bottom line is: the opposition in Africa is never allowed any even/fair electoral playing filed. And in Mgodoyiland, this is no exception. What we see facing the MDC, has been faced by other African opposition in Zambia, Malawi, Kenya and Ghana. But they triumphed. Behold KK, Moi, Rawlings and Banda are now creatures of history. So will Mgo. And believe me, he will be beaten on the very electoral platform with all his biased legal machinations.

The way forward now is: let you and me stop bikkering and work towards a common goal. Let's work towards consolidating the opposition under an alliance (umbimbi noma umfelandawonye ngesiZulu sakwethu la kwelikaMthaniya). Let all ZAPUs unite. Then they seek an alliance with the MDC based on mutually beneficial interests. Let this unified opposition present a unified front and usher a transparent philosophy that will be all embracing to the multi interests of our heterogenous nation. Let the spirit of respect of man by man be the preamble of lolo mbimbi. The rest will be history.Great political settlements come with a measure of compromise, flexibilty and wisdom. As such, no opposition voice/platform must be seen isolating itself from any other voice with a synonymous goal. A unilateral effort won't work.

But as long as me and you deride each other enkundleni, as long as me and you seek to pursue parallel paths; Mgo will laugh all the way into his grave as a life President. He will trample on the rights of all of us and we will die sizintothololo ekudingisweni. And Mgo will pass the torch to another equally notorious butcher who will reign his tyranny on posterity.

I ask from my humble position that masingajindi majita! Let's not look back! Let's not even care to steal a glance at what ZANU is doing in their executive structures. It's their business. No one who supps with the devil can help you. Your enemy can never clean your wounds. ZANU is our enemy. And any Mthwakazian leader in ZANU is an enenmy. Our business is to seek to chart a path for a future passed on people ranking pari passu in the land. This will only come with the fall of the incumbent megalomanic regime.

Let justice be pursued. Let justice flow like a river and righteousness like a mighty stream.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya

Ngiyabonga Mnto.

Mnto, I very much agree with you in all that you are saying. I also want to emphasise to everyone, that it is very important for us, to maintain a polite tone as we share our ideas in this forum as it will reveal the gist of what we share.

We are brothers and sisters!

There is no point in endless talking when people do not have time to stop and analyse various contributions enkundleni. It is important to talk as well as listen to each other.

The electoral process in Mzimatshe is fundamentally flawed. Mechanisms are already in place to rig the election. Some which include the cruel starvation of the masses. The worst thing from where I stand is that Cde Potshoza and many other economic as well as political refugees have been eliminated from the electoral process. Ironically these measures to stop exiles from casting their votes were put in place at a time when there was a so called sizeable opposition in parliament, I stand to be corrected on this.

Having a united opposition sounds good theoretically but the fact remains that Mdogoyiland may well have rigged elections that will be declared free and fair by his AU fellow dictators. This leaves us with no choice but to discuss alternatives.

Zanu has employed varied strategies against the present opposition. Recently rifts were built between the leadership when Prof Welshman Ncube was invited ahead of Morgan to RSA. Reports reach us that suggest the party caucus in RSA is infested with tribal divisions. For those that don't already know, Zanu will even bed your wife. Learnmore Jongwe learnt the hard way.

It leaves me without a doubt that pinning hopes on an election that will be rigged is pointless. Yet I know Zanu is not invincible. Their 'fortress' built on a fragile unity should be exploited. When there is some talk of mutiny in the ZNA, why is there a muted response from the opposition members in the forum? Is this stuff too heavy for you?

We want to hear about strategies for sure but I am not convinced we want to limit ourselves to eliminating Mdogoyi via the electoral process. Let's also exploit the cracks in Zanu if need be.

Dokotela!

Bajove dokotela!
Mazilulame izinkubela kulesisifo sokucwasana ngokobuhlanga kwezombusazwe!


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uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inkwali yenkosi.

Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.

Skuvethe

You assert above as follows:
"Unless, of course, you say moves are already underway to get all the opposition parties in a coalition of some sort?"

But any observer on Mgodoyi's political landscape knows only too well that the opposition parties are aready implicitly in a "coalition of some sort". How else do you explain the victory by the MDC in virtually all regions in Mat'land and a significant number of regions in Harare, Mutare Gweru and other such areas whose names I and probably you can not pronounce? There is no ideology that combines these constituency other than their desire to unseat Mgaxa and his lot. Calling all opposition groups into one umbrella body in this case won't even need one week because they are all unanimous and emphatic in their resolution: to unseat Mgaxa!!!.

My simple opinion Sku is that we as Mthwakazians must go into such a coalition as a united front under MAPU and clearly pronounce our ideology of federation (which will precede secession)so that all members of the coalition know in advance that we aspire for a federal set up. Surfacing latter after the unseating of Mgaxa will be tantamount to folly in the eyes of political observers worth any salt.

Mntongenakudla says;

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Let this unified opposition present a unified front and usher a transparent philosophy that will be all embracing to the multi interests of our heterogenous nation.

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Lobengula says;

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But any observer on Mgodoyi's political landscape knows only too well that the opposition parties are aready implicitly in a "coalition of some sort".

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A contradiction already majietas. OK, i coalition is implicit, kusitsho ukuthi it's not yet directly expressed or readily apparent.

We're getting somewhere. Now to me the question is when and how do you make that implied coalition more explicit? It is incumbent upon those that push for this line of reasoning ukuthi babe sobala ku/kwi electorate; make this implied coalition known to the masses.

Realism majietas, realism.

Skuvethe

Just like you rightly assert above, we now need to explicitly and unequivocally relay this message to our people that whilst we are part and parcel of this wonke-wonke anti-Mgaxa coalition, our objective is clear: federation as a preamble to secession. That is what our people are waiting to hear from the protagonists of their struggle.
We do not need to preach to them about the cruelity and brutality of Mugabe because they already know that only too well.
That is precisely why we need to unite and speak with one voice.

Ngenhlonipho enkulu! Uxolo kakhulukazi badala!

Bengicela ukuthi uSibalukhulu athi merge amatopics ahambelanayo.Sesiphongu xhamanda iganga lonke leli kuxoxwa nto inye. We need some co-ordination here please. Nxa kumele sizenzele, bengicela ukuthi a few people bathi take charge and control some of the discussions sazi into esifuna ukuyifeza lapha not to talk for the sake yokuvula umlomo zwi! May I suggest that inqwele phakathi kweNkundla zisincedise please.

Mabila,

I believe it's often better to have minimal interference on such fora from so called moderators, except of course in extreme cases. Usually things tend to sort themselves out in the end. But then I may be wrong. As I speak, those addicted to derogatory language as well as those who want to cling to coat tails (pun intended!) of sellouts are being separated from the people who want to impartially discuss isssues without involving personalities and stratifications of the membership of the forum. May they stay away from this thread as initially requested by Skuvethe so that we may have a mature and open discussion that seeks to GENUINELY resolve our plight as opposed to incessant useless chatter that only tends to seek opposition and controversy.

Back to the real issues. Those of us who have had one or two opportunities to speak to the likes of Dr Sikhanyiso Ndlovu and Dumiso Dabengwa and other former Zapu stalwarts who continue to grace Zanu pf with their presence have at some point posed the million dollar question as to why they are still there. I for one have been made to believe that they are under constant watch. That is to say the once brave and strong are now perpetual prisoners within Zanu. We will remember how DD and Masuku were imprisoned during the 80's. Only DD came out alive. It was his choice to capitulate rather than choose to die like Masuku. They took the chains from off his feet and put them in his mind. Therefore, ever since the unity accord was signed, I am yet to hear of a Zapu person desserting Zanu. I look at the likes of former Mayor Malinga now and compare him to the firey character he was during his mayoral days and I can see how the Zanu security machinery has got these guys in captivity. Even our very own Zwangendaba mentioned that the former NSO members that have been elected to the provincial executive could be summoned to the State House and given a "warning".

The other factor of course is greed. Do you think businessmen like Sikhanyiso want to operate outside Zanu, wouldn't that spell the end of their "success"? For more than a decade we have watched Mdogoyi and Zanu abuse the charismatic nature of Dr Nkomo's character to convince those vulnarable people that they are united with zanu when they are actually in captivity.

Last but not least, we recently read what we have been made to believe are the contents of the unity accord. There is a lot going on which suggests that something more sinister was involved to secure the deliverance of Ndebele people to zanu and shona enslavement. The fact that Genocide ended at or around the signing of this accord leaves me wondering if DD and others know what the breakup of this unity could spell for us people of Mthwakazi. Could we face another Gukurahundi?

I am not making excuses for these guys at Zanu but they are in fear and I hope they are doing it for the people of Matabeleland vis-avis GENOCIDE as a whole and NOT for their own little captured livelihoods.

Sabonani Enkundleni,
Uqinisile Cde Potshoza, lababantu yizibotshwa zabo pasi. Zikhona izibotshwa ezingasafuni ukukhululwa entolongweni ngoba zithola ukudla nendawo wokulala mahala lapho entolongweni. Ngiyethemba siyakwazi lokhu. Abanye bayalela phakathi ngoba sebengomaquzu phakathi. Pho akusikho okwenzakala ngabethu asebevale imilomoyabo iszwe sikaMzilikazi sisitsha emlilweni obaselwa nguMgaxabe lo obanikeza isinkwa esine cheese?

Yebo bathi kibo kagwala akunasililo. Kodwa siyazi njalo ukuthi igwala kalila lutho, ngeze lifuye ngoba bezalithathela njengoba lizokwesaba nokuphuma phandle nxa izinja zikhonkotha ebusuku, ngeze labalomuzi ngoba beza lithathela ngitsho nomfazi. Naso isibotshwa esingacabngi ukubaleka nxa ono'guard' bengekho leminyango ivulekile kasisilima na?

Abadala bathi owesela kawothiwa, ungatholakala lapho nawe ulisela. Nxa silandela umzila wesela sinezinja ezenukayo zingakuthola uhleli nesela kambe zingakukhetha? Hatshi lami ngeze ngikuxolele ngikufaka iwisa ngingangqize qakala.
Isimo sasekhaya asila mbukeli akekho ongaziyo ukuthi sithwele kanzima kwelika ndoda kuqina.

No one can dare sit on the fence, none can dare be a spectator, silence means who are colluding, collaborating or benefitting from the mirule and suffering of our people. There is no apology to make. We are between a hard rock and the deep sea.Yes between the sharp bayonets of opasi and total demise as a people. Cowards by the way die many times before their death.

Bangabathengisi.

MR CHAIRMAN

l kindly request your honourable and capable hands to tidy up the forum to prevent muggling up of discussions, consequently we are not conclusively discussing certain pertinent threads which would have been initially started.

it seems its now a free for all.

Bafowethu.

Enye njalo indaba enza abantu bathule, njengabo DD yikuthi ngesikhathi esitsha, akekho owangakithi okade emvakatshela ejele. Besisesabela ezethu imuli. Lamhlanje laye usesesabela eyakhe. Simtshengisa izinyo elimhlophe only for our self interest.

Ngiyethemba u DD uzangixolela: AKULULA UKUSEBENZISA IBIZO LOMUNTU, BUT AS A LEADER, HE MUST UNDERSTAND HE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUBJECT OF INTEREST - Ngesikhathi ephuma entolongweni, sahlangana laye, e George Hotel as Harare ZAPU Province. He did not mince his words. And I know him from the "BUSH". Dabengwa goes to his point straight. Wasitshela wathi yena is done with politics. He wants to go to his home and start a new life. Ababekhona could feel the dejection in this man. "WHILST HE WAS IN PRISON, NONE, AND I MEAN NONE OF THE ZAPU LEADERSHIP VISITED HIM, INCLUDING JOSHUA. AND DD SAID IT HIMSELF, POINTING AT THOSE IN OUR GROUP WHO RISKED THEIR LIVES TO VISIT HIM. HE SAID THOSE WERE TRUE FRIENDS, THAT IS WHY HE FELT IT HIS DUTY TO LET THEM KNOW HE WILL NOT BE PARTY TO (ZIM) POLITICS".

Others though in that same meeting told him that it was not time to give in now that Masuku was dead. I remember one of the people in the meeting saying to him, and I quote-"Bakuthenile na, Awusuye uDabengwa esimaziyo thina". His reply was, and I quote,"Uyawezwa amathebula". He threw that smile of his I remeber so well.

I do not know what made him change his mind. But I want to emphasize here that we let our heroes down at the time they need us most, and when they take decisions based on their personal predicament, we cry foul.

Asibambaneni, we will never have to blame anyone for anything, but ourselves. And it wont be easy for invukuzane to penetrate us, ever.

Li Zwangendaba.

HARARE - Zimbabwe's parliamentary poll is still 10 months away, but high level officials in the Registrar-General's office claim that it has already been rigged in favour of President Robert Mugabe's ruling ZANU-PF party. The Registrar

http://www.zimonline.co.za/downloads.asp?ID=25

Does this answer Skuvethe's question??

ZWANGENDABA no MQONDOBANZI MAGONYA

Bayethe nina Mawundlu kaMalandela!

Madoda, nizongixolela ngokubhekisa isicelo kinina luqobo lwenu. Lokhu kungoba ngibona sengathithi nina ningeza nesixazululo kulengwadla engiyibonayo.

Mzwakwethu, sengiyabona ukuthi kusekhona abakholelwa wukuthi iZAPU yiyonayona indlela yenkululeko kaMthwakazi. Ngokunjalo ke ngiyacela, ngiyanxusa kinina Zwangendaba noMagonya ngithi: sizani bo! Sizani ukuze nathi esingakholelwa kwiZAPU njengamanje, siheheke, sigqugquzeleke ukuzibandakanya kuyona. Siboniseni umhlahlandlela kwiZAPU lena ukuze sibe nentshisekelo yokuyisebenzela nathi!

Ngoba wena Magonya noZwangendaba niye nasebenzelana nezinkokheli zeZAPU yamanje, akenibanikeze nanku umyalezo wami uyaphuthuma.

Yebo kambe siyazibona iziZAPU nanzi zihlakazeke zamikhakha mithathu. Kuyimpico ukubona iziZAPU ezinabalandeli abawuhlwezana kanjena. Ingozi wukuthi izitha zabo (abaphathi nabalandeli beziZAPU) zizongena phakathi kwabo, zibahlangahlanganise amakhanda, zibadle ngamazinyo, zibasabalalise, zibalawule, babe zigqile zazo.

Madoda eZAPU anifundi ninjani? Ezinye izizwe enihlalisane nazo azimelene ngezinyawo. Zibambene ngezandla, zinyandanye, ziyathandana, kukhona ukuthula phakathi kwazo.

Uma kwangena inxoviyo, kwangena inklese esingayazi kwiZAPU lezi. Uma lenklese ingenile yaxova iziZAPU lezi – angiboni ukuthi leyo nklese ngeke ingekhishwe ngani. Zicukuthwane zeZAPU ngithi: lungisani okonakala ukuze inamhlanje lilungise ikusasa.

I-ZAPU 2000, ZAPU FP ne ZAPU PF; ma zenze ingxoxiswano okuthiwa ngolweMzansi Afrika yiCODESA. Abaholi mabaxoxisane, babuyisane bonke, bahlangane kuqala omfuleni uNgulukudela kuze kuyofika kuBhalule (Zambezi). Mazihlangane lezi ziZAPU zibe yimbumbe ukuze izitha zazo zithi qaqabu sezifika sebeyinqanawe, ngeze zingene ngandawo!

Nanso inselelo ke Zwangendaba noMagonya. Khulumani nabahlonishwa beziZAPU ezimikhakha mithathu baqondise izigwegwe.

uMntongenakudla ka Ngogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
Inkwali yenkosi.

Inxangiphilile.
KwelikaMthaniya.

Mntongenakudla limqotho lelo mfowethu.

Skuvethe!

The elections you made reference to nyakenye are now just around the corner. MDC says it is contesting the elections "with a heavy heart and under protest" ngoba awekho free and fair?? Kunceda ngani bangadliwa?? What can their present pronounciation do to the lection result nxa bedliwa?? Bavele beqhubekelani nxa umdlalo uganxamele ngakucele le ZPF???

Not Free Not Fair