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#5767 - 08/27/04 03:10 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
THANDINDABA Offline
Nduna
Registered: 04/04/04
Posts: 312
Loc: donkwedonkwe
MTONOKUDLA,
Vele iqiniso liyahlaba.However an apology from you to everybody that you have ever called names on this forum may yet put everything right.I know such a climbdown is painfull and only the wise and courageous can do that . Are you that wise and brave Mtonokudla? Show us.
This reminds me how that fool at the State House still fails to utter the magic word (sorry) decades after sending his hounds to kill us. Amazing how such a little word can me make cowards shit a brick.
But the way I wont be surprised if you ignore this input altogether . Its typical of cowards!
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#5768 - 08/31/04 11:55 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Majaha

The advert that I highlighted in this forum a few weeks ago when the debate was raging about this mad and maverick professor from Tsholotsho, has since been carried by one respectable news website.
This man never gets tired of delivering to his people. Kindly read relevant parts in the following story as carried by the website corroborating what I wrote here about the beauty pageant:

"31 August 2004
In the pages of a vernacular newspaper -- uMthunywa --which he reintroduced after it had folded, comes an advert for a "Miss Rural Matabeleland 2004" to be held in Tsholotsho, although the district has a run down infrastructure.
The beauties have been carefully hand-picked by a Bulawayo-based professional model agency, with $1 million prize money promised to the winner. They come from the two rural Matabeleland provinces and will be strutting their stuff in Tsholotsho at the finals on 4 September.
"MANTOMBAZANA!!! MANTOMBAZANA!!! (Girls!!! Girls!!!)," the advert screams, "Sidinga amatshatshazi alejwabu elibutshelezi, angela machatha, angela manxeba, amade okungaphezu kwe 1.73m, aleminyaka engaphansi kwe 24, avela kuzozonke indawo zasemakhaya eMatabeleland (We are looking for beautiful girls with gentle skin, no spots, no injury marks, height over 1.73m, below 24 years of age from all areas of rural Matabeleland)."
"Sithinte eStrides ngocingo, Ungavilaphi. (Get in touch with Strides Model Agency without delay."
Sources close to the beauty contest's organisers say the winners will go on to take part in the main Miss Zimbabwe pageant.
A coterie of Moyo's associates and businessmen trying to curry favour with the powerful minister are expected to accompany him to Tsholotsho. The rich and the powerful shouldn't worry about damage to their luxury cars as they drive to Tsholotsho -- Moyo recently had the road tarred.
Besides worrying about the opposition, sources indicate that Moyo could be headed for a mighty clash with Bulawayo governor Cain Mathema, who is a former Tsholotsho MP himself. Zanu PF national chairman and Lands Minister John Nkomo is also said to be privately contemplating standing in the contituency, about 60km west of Bulawayo.

Moyo is leaving nothing to chance and has displayed a curious streak of generosity towards the villagers, at one stage dishing out $100 million inside seven days.
He also donated over 700 blankets worth $90 million to several health institutions and followed that a day later with a donation of two computers and a printer worth $22,1 million to Tsholotsho hospital.

A few days later the minister followed with another donation of a computer and printer all worth $13 million to Tsholotsho police.
Apart from donations made in July, this year alone, Moyo donated medical equipment worth $28 million before donating 1000 bags of cement worth $40 million to various schools in the constituency.

He donated a further $2 million to cover funeral costs for a chief who died in Tsholotsho two months ago. The minister has also established what he termed multi-million dollar scholarship programme for disadvantaged children in the constituency. He also launched a football tournament in Tsholotsho sponsored to the tune of $15 million using personal funds."
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#5769 - 08/31/04 12:14 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Potshoza Offline
Nduna
Registered: 08/20/01
Posts: 498
Loc: Leamington Spa
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Lobengula:
<strong> Majaha

The advert that I highlighted in this forum a few weeks ago when the debate was raging about this mad and maverick professor from Tsholotsho, has since been carried by one respectable news website.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which one of the so-called respectable news website is that? It would even be more informative to provide a link. Isn't it well known that Jonathan writes his own articles about his own person in some newspapers which I won't even bother to mention by name?
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#5770 - 08/31/04 12:26 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
I saw this in the chronicle back home. The chronicle can never be respectable or any propaganda mouthpiece of the present government.
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#5771 - 08/31/04 12:45 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Cde Potshoza

There are so many news websites around the world. The chairman for example saw the same news story in the Chronicle. Providing you with a link would not erase the fact of the matter which is delivery on the ground. Whether people choose to call him Goebbels or "vote-buyer" that is immaterial. The grim reality is about DELIVERY to his people.

Because some of you like being spoon fed you can kindly read the relevant article on the following website for example www.newzimbabwe.com
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#5772 - 08/31/04 01:32 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
hlathi81 Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 10/14/03
Posts: 576
Loc: gwanda..
Something gives me the feeling that the Prof. is coming up with all this developments because he is eyeing the elections next year. He seems to be concentrating developing his region (Tsholotsho) only,if he were genuine he would be spreading his development efforts to other districts in the Mthwakazi region apart from his own district. oKezi, oManama, oMatopo, oSilobela etc are other districts in the region that need attention.

Angazi libona njani?

---------------
'Wisdom comes with age but sometimes age comes alone'
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#5773 - 08/31/04 02:42 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
THANDINDABA Offline
Nduna
Registered: 04/04/04
Posts: 312
Loc: donkwedonkwe
HLATHI
Pho manje what is the use of both existing and potential MPs in places like Kezi if Moyo has to do the job for them. I think the man is alright to concentrate on the constituency that he wishes to represent than cause chaos everywhere. The problem here is not the Proffessor. It is that most of us always want to think in a box. We all need to abandon this mentality and take a fresh look at things. In politics people always make and unmake new alliances. Nothing stays the same because of the dynamic nature of this science. Those who remain static in their beliefs are usually forgotten by history.Look at the wider world and behold how changes in the Eastern block have seen the re-alignment of nations with bitter rivals becoming bossom pals. Look down south and see how the Boers in the NNP have folded their long tails and joined the ANC.Ask yourself why they didn't join those relics of apartheid in the DA. Who ever thought that France would one day be the omly nation to frustrate the desires of America whilst the Russians stood helplessly on the sidelines? Time has now come for us to think with our minds and stop following the urges of our broken hurts. I think its now time to take stock and see which better known devil in Zanu we can all gainfully deal with because I think Zanu will be around for a long time. We may wish it go but that doesn't make it go. It just lingers like the smell of shit.Moyo for whatever motive is doing well "Tjolotjolo". Lets carry him along untill we find a better replacement then jettison him.Its about what we can get not what we dream about getting.VUKANI MADODA labo Dade.
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#5774 - 08/31/04 03:27 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Muntongenakudla Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 652
Loc: Mtubatuba
THANDINDABA


Awuboni ke namhlanje ngiyakuvuna. Ukhuluma njengendoda yamadoda. Uyishaya ekhaleni.

Indeed politics is pragmatic and calls for one to adapt to the ever changing circumstances. Politics is for men of action like Prof Jonathan Moyo. AbeSotho bathi: 'o phothile matsogo o shebile banna ha basebetsa'.

Unfortunately kusekhona emphakathini wethu labo abacabanga ukuthi bazohlala beyiziqhingi, futhi begqgquzela nathi ukuthi masizibandakanye nabo kulobobubha bomqondo, nathi sibeyiziqhingi. Lokhu ngeke kubabuyisele lutho, njalo kubi ngoba kudunga izingqondo zabantu, kudlale ngemizwa yabantu. Kobenzela phansi bona bagqugquzelindini. Kobashiya bedla izingqweqwe zemilomo be-busy bekhombana ngeminwe ebubheni. Ipolitiki akuwona umsino wamahleza, umdanso wolopholo, ingxoxo yabanyekefuli abagcwele inzondo nokucwasana ngokobuhlanga. Cha.

Isende lendlela.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
uVeyane.
Inkwali yenkosi.
umcondo yegusha.

Inxangiphilile.
KwaMtubatuba.
KwelikaMthaniya.
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#5775 - 08/31/04 04:32 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Thandie

Hayi uyayibeka indaba mfanakithi. kutsho ukuthi ema varsities lapha liyafunda impela majaha. Funda uqinise mfowethu, indlela ocabanga ngayo ibukhali baba.
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#5776 - 08/31/04 11:36 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
sthutha Offline
Nduna
Registered: 05/08/03
Posts: 304
Thandindaba,

Umqondo okhaliphe njengowakho ngiyawujabulela.Ubona ngawo wonke amehlo.Alivikwa.
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#5777 - 09/01/04 01:20 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
Lobengula

Of interest baba wakwaMthiyane(as you are popularly known in this august Forum <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) is the heading of the article which you chose to ommit.

It reads thus:


When propaganda fails, try scantily-clad women


This is the extent to which Jonathan Moyo's propaganda has gone to win the hearts and minds of Tsholotsho people.

He seems to be doing a good job of it and appears to be winning them in great numbers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
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#5778 - 09/04/04 04:15 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
mqondobanzi magonya Offline
Sakhamuzi
Registered: 08/22/03
Posts: 79
Loc: uk
NOT ONLY the headline chairman, the opening three paragraphs were conveniently eliminated by Lobengula.

By Staff Reporter
Last updated: 08/31/2004 12:22:16
JOSEPH Goebbels once said that if propaganda is repeated often enough, it gains the legitimacy of truth.

Not content with repeating propaganda, President Robert Mugabe's spin doctor Jonathan Moyo is taking a bus load of beauties to rural Tsholotsho district to blow off the minds of wary voters as he bids for a parliamentary seat in the area.

Moyo, a former university political science lecturer has meticulously followed Goebbels' style of information management, but he is seeking to outdo the man he is thought to privately admire as he pulls all stops to wrest the Tsholotsho seat from the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC).
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#5779 - 09/13/04 11:06 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Uzobanyisa uMoyo.Bazavuma ngamakhanda njengo ntulo. They will come right. Abetshabi thought that they were indespensable. Abetshabi are facing oblivion en masse from ZBC. Now we can refreshingly read of a Mthwakazian firing a Shona at ZBC how things have changed. Abafowethu bathi isifohlile. Anyone can now apply for Charles Mabika's post at ZBC. Wozani ke majaha lama excellent accent from the UK lizo replacer u Mabika who probably thought he was the "doyen" of commentators. This is the same Mabika who year after year heaps praises on useless Dynamos to appease Dembare fans. UMoyo has no time for such bull. Go now, he told him. Read the story for yourself.

"Soccer commentator axed for 'unpatriotic remarks'
Thurs 9 September 2004

HARARE - Veteran soccer commentator Charles Mabika has been fired from his job at the state-controlled Zimbabwe Television's Sportnet for allegedly making "unpatriotic remarks" during his live commentary of Zimbabwe's World Cup qualifier tie against Nigeria last Sunday.Sportnet head Josephine Zulu announced on television on Tuesday night that Mabika had been relieved of his duties after what she said was a "public outcry" over the way he marvelled at the skills of Nigeria's Super Eagles.Mabika's popular Talking Football programme, a phone-in programme for soccer fans, has also been scrapped.During his commentary last Sunday, Mabika heaped praises on Nigeria's skipper and Bolton midfielder Austin 'Jay Jay' Okocha. The Super Eagles of Nigeria hammered Zimbabwe's senior soccer team, the Warriors 3-0.Sources at Zimbabwe Television told ZimOnline that Mabika's comments had offended Information Minister Jonathan Moyo who ordered Zulu to dismiss the soccer commentator. Earlier on in the week, the state-controlled Herald newspaper, which normally represents the government's views, scathingly attacked Mabika calling him a "turncoat" who had thrown "away his identity with the Warriors."The paper accused Mabika of having become the 12th man for Nigeria claiming that his praise of the west Africans had given "the visitors an upper hand even when the match was still far from being decided".But Mabika was apparently not the only one impressed by Okocha last Sunday. Zimbabwean soccer fans, probably realising their team had no chance against the Nigerians, also ended up cheering each time Okocha displayed his silky touches. ZimOnline"
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#5780 - 09/14/04 07:38 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Bathi isifohlile

UMoyo uzawafundisa isifundo amaShona about delivering to his people. This is basic delivery that our people have yearned for, for too long while the likes of Joshua Nkomo, John Nkomo, Dabengwa, Msika, Mathema and others have failed miserably since 1980 to deliver even a wheelbarrow to the people of Mthwakazi. Bathi isifohlile:

"Moyo delivers to his people.
From Dumisani Sibanda in Insiza
Chronicle, Tuesday, September 14, 2004

MORE than 15 000 people yesterday thronged Avoca Business Centre in Insiza to witness the hand over of computers worth millions of dollars by the Minister of State for Information and Publicity , Professor Jonathan Moyo, to schools in the district.
The presentation was made during an entertainment filled ceremony graced by Bulawayo music sensation Sandra Ndebele.

Prof Moyo’s entourage received a rousing welcome from the crowd.
So huge was the crowd that some people stood in the back of open trucks while others were perched on tree tops to catch a glimpse of the proceedings.
Prof Moyo, who was in Insiza at the invitation of Cde Langa, handed over the three computers and a printer with a total value of $70 million to Mkwabeni Secondary School and pledged to source more computers for Avoca and Dekezi High Schools, all in Insiza.
He also donated a consignment of drugs and hospital equipment worth $25 million to Avoca Rural Hospital amid ululation and jubilation from the crowd.

“Prof Moyo was the brains behind the campaign and we the people of Insiza would like to heartily thank him for the crucial role he played”, Cde Langa said to thunderous applause. He said it was a privilege for his constituency to have a political thinker and academic of repute in the mould of Prof Moyo as its guest.

“We have heard of the development activities you (Prof Moyo) are spearheading in your rural home, Tsholotsho, and we wish you well in your endavours,” Cde Langa said.
In his address Moyo said “MDC is dead, it is really dead, but we have not yet buried it. We will bury it in March 2005. Even if they boycott the elections, we won’t be bothered at all and if they want to participate, they are welcome but we will still bury them” he said.

Prof Moyo said there was no doubt in any right thinking person’s mind that MDC is now dead.

“However, others might not know where MDC died. It died here in Insiza, and Gibson Sibanda knows that. That is why you will not see Gibson Sibanda in this constituency”, Prof Moyo said.

Prof Moyo said Cde Langa was spearheading a number of development projects in the constituency, including work on the Filabusi/Avoca and West Nicholson/Dolo roads. Prof Moyo said MDC was opposed to anything that improves the lives of the majority.

“Ask Gibson what he does with the money his party receives from donors. Have you seen any borehole drilled by Sibanda?
Giving a vote of thanks, Chief Maduna paid tribute to the people of Avoca, “uGodlwayo Omuhle”, as they are affectionately known, for turning up in their thousands for yesterday’s function.

During yesterday’s function, Bulawayo music diva, Ndebele, local performing groups including upcoming Indosakusa, wowed the crowd with their scintillating performances that had the crowd asking for more".
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#5781 - 09/14/04 08:21 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Skuvethe Offline
Nduna
Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 434
Loc: I've never been to Heaven
Looking at it from a philanthropic view, yes, the man is "delivering" and I, too, would have joined in the dancing and ululating that took place.

But to suggest that this make-believe by the villagers translates into Zanu-PF support is ludicrous, to say the least. Those villagers were right to take those "gift" because it is what govt should be providing anyway, not as a special favour to them.

Let the pied-piper play on, we will follow on from behind, dancing and singing.
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#5782 - 09/14/04 08:35 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Bambitsotsi Offline
Mafikizolo
Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 29
Loc: Khonapho
Computers that the people of Avoca do not need and will be broken in a year and never fixed. Rehashed computers no doubt donations from wealthy westerners who where about to throw them away. Anybody who believes that is delivering is the fool.
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#5783 - 09/14/04 08:40 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Mabila Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa ***
Bakwethu,

Kodwa qotho kuyini ikhompuyutha engatshona kuseqiwa kuthiwa nansi idonation. Siyeyisana kakhulu thina abantu pliz and have reduced our expectations to the lowest of low. I Zpf ingabulala uNdlovu first then abantu ngendlela eyakwenza eInsiza besebencengwa ngama khompuyutha amathathu ukuze bangatshaywa futhi <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> ???

True Jona is doing more than most and doing his best to destroy MDC but it's time our people received more than computers and t-shirts in exchange for ilifa labo. Mina bengingasoze ngeqe phephani Skuvethe lo Lobs! Bengizukuya lokuya!
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#5784 - 09/14/04 09:04 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Tsotsi & Mabs

It is significant to note that since 1980, all Mthwakazian leaders in ZANU-PF, MDC or ZAPU pf, Zapu 2000, ZAPU (Madlela), ZAPU (Siwela), PF-ZAPU, have never delivered even a pin to the people of Matebeleland.
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#5785 - 09/14/04 09:05 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Mabila Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa ***
Ngena ku chat!
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#5786 - 09/14/04 09:12 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Sibambamahawu Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 05/04/04
Posts: 829
Loc: KwaGodlwayo ***
Ask me where Jona gets his money from, i will be found wanting, for i do not know, but i suspect that some of his money is generated through illegal means. But ask me what he does with part of his earnings, i will tell you that he gives it to the people in the quest of trying to uplift them, and the other is used for buying votes. The question is, is it right or wrong to buy votes in way that will uplift the people? Then ask me whether Dabengwa, John Nkomo and company are not involved in some shoddy deals or illegal deals, i will probably say they are as well, but if you ask me what they do with their money i will surely say that they seek to enrich only themselves.

Jonathan has set a good precedent, this is a hard act to follow, but those who purpote to represent us must live up to our expectations and start delivering the goods to us, this example is to both leaders from the MDC and Zanu pf. Maybe we have been blaming the Shona govt for nothing, maybe our own leaders are incompetent and not willing to uplift their constituency of Mthwakazi. The little effort towards development i think must be acknowledged and appreciated, but as for Jona, he has a long ladder to climb, for what he has done in stiffling democracy and freedom in Zim.

Now is the time for Jona to deliver the real goods to Mthwakazi if he is to be taken seriously, he has to exert his influence and push hard for the arid Matabeleland to be become a green belt, WATER FROM ZAMBEZI is the only good we want from Jona.
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#5787 - 09/14/04 09:18 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Mabila Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 05/14/04
Posts: 2124
Loc: Ayowa ***
Very well said Sibambamahawu. You always rise above emotions and remain sober when some of us lose it! It cannot be stated any better. Siyabonga Baba!
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#5788 - 09/14/04 10:32 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Potshoza Offline
Nduna
Registered: 08/20/01
Posts: 498
Loc: Leamington Spa
The real heroes are the people of Matabeleland. The way they voted in 2000 has meant Zanu should supplement their intimidation and murder (Re Ndlovu) with cosmetic donations and so-called development. The presure heaved on Zanu (PF) is unprecedented.

It is clear from the turncoat's speech quoted above that it is all about grabbing every opportunity to attack the MDC. It's not about the computers and how useful they will be, but "how the MDC will be buried". It's not about Ndebelehood because Gibson is also viciously attacked.

Furthermore it's not a policy particularly unique to Jonathan because Grace Mugabe also did the same thing a few day ago in Zezuruland (ie donate computers).
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#5789 - 09/14/04 10:49 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Godlwayo Omuhle

You raise a very crucial issue about the Zambezi Water Project for our region. Why dont we, as a Mthwakazian community make representation to this maverick and mad professor to try and ask him to use his influence in breathing life into this project which has defied logic for a long time now. Let us use these people for the development of our regions. Again you raise a very serious question as to where are the other Mthwakazian leaders? What do they do with their money? What happens to their share of the bugdet from the Gvt? The grim answer is that they use it to send their kids to overseas schools, build multi story homes in Cape town (next door to Mark Thatcher), go for mountain climbing in Matopo while others go for down right drinking sprees in Shebeens. This is a reality which we can not even begin to blame on the clueless Shonas.
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#5790 - 09/14/04 01:30 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
SINATHAMAHEWU Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 02/27/02
Posts: 632
Loc: The Republic of Mthwakazi
The mad Professor made his intentions very clear: the donation of the computers was done with the sole purpose of buying Mthwakazi votes and burying MDC.

In that case the message was very loud and clear, he never came to genuinely deliver to the people but he came to buy their votes in order to bury MDC and Gibson Sibanda. He came with the aim of buying Mthwakazi's votes with the aim to deliver and perpertuate ZPF and Mugabe's rule in our shores!

Let us hope Gibson will not be truly burried by ZPF psychopaths and its turncoats. We pray he survives the storm that is coming on his way. Many of our kith and kin have been burried for good by ZPF.


Our people have shown patriotism towards Sandra Ndebele by attending in their numbers to see her perform. That is good indeed.

In any case it is our people who are delivering through being tough with ZPF. Now ZPF is coming to them with something in their hands to try and win them over. We hope they can see that this is not genuine.

I have heard Mthwakazians many times often saying: If ZPF comes to us with money to buy our votes we will take it but we will not vote for it.

Let us hope they stick to this clever strategy.
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#5791 - 09/14/04 03:47 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Ambuya Offline
Mafikizolo
Registered: 10/31/03
Posts: 19
Loc: Johannesburg
The posts on Jonathan Moyo make an interesting read. Despite the diverging views on the man, all have one common thread; that is Moyo is one of, if not THE most controversial political figure in present day Zim!!

I remember Jonathan Moyo's articles in the Financial Gazzette in the early '90s. They were virulently anti-Zanu pf, vicious on the Gukurahundi issue and stinging of the "dictator" Mugabe. He was young then. To a young, impressionable Ndebele boy like myself he was an intellectual giant, a brave Ndebele man at the time when Mthwakazi had no voice; and an idol par excellence for me. I remember going hungry at school, saving for a copy of Fingaz every Thursday....and my favourite column... Jona's column.

Fast-forward ten years on, Jonathan is still buffling many, this time by first, flirting with Zanu pf during the referendum period and eventually going to bed with the whore in '2000. To a Jonathan Moyo fan like, this was devastating, the world came down crumbling and lost all faith in people. UBrenda Fassie sang " umuntu ungeke umcomfirme".

However when I read most of the articles here,a question just hit me..... did Jona really become a turncoat by sleeping with Bob and Zanu or is he putting operation a "master" plan to destroy Zanu by creating such confusion among the people there that they begin to mistrust each other? Look at what a headache he is to the party right now, the old-timers like Msika and Shamuyarira despise him becoz he does not fawn and crawl at their feet; while the mafikizolos ( the young Turks)are intimidated by his brash way he deals with the party structures and never follows protocol. In my view, he is the guy who will tear Zanu apart.

Whatever your views on the guy, he is a complex character; either he is a good pretender, hoodwinking everyone into thinking that he is Zanu thru and thru, when actually he is rabidly anti-Zanu; or he deceived everyone a decade ago by pretending to have a one-man crusade against Zanu and Bob, when in fact he was in their payroll even then. Either way he is a fascinating character.

He is a bundle of contasts...on one hand he is hated by most Zimbos and on the other hand is hailed as the Saviour of Tsholotsho by doling goodies to the poor in his area of birth!!
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#5792 - 09/14/04 04:30 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
THANDINDABA Offline
Nduna
Registered: 04/04/04
Posts: 312
Loc: donkwedonkwe
Its interesting to see this debate on Moyo still dragging on and on. Personaly I think the Professors days as a poltician are numbered.I forsee them forcing him out of the party soon because not only is he he hated by his erstwhile friends in the old Zanu but is also facing an onslaught from the Zapu elements like John Nkomo who think they have a God-given entitlement to evrything Mthwakazian and and still hold on to the archaic view that abadala ngabadala you cannot question their motives. Well uMoyo has shown us ukuthi umsuzo ngumsuzo kumele ukhafulwe even ungowomuntu omdala. what surprises me yikuthi uthembeni uMoyo. So many have tried and have been eliminated before. So yena ulithathaphi igunya lokuhlokoza ubhalu lwemamba. ilesibindi lendoda bakithi.I don't agree with his pre-independence politics but Madoda asivumemi uMoyo yindoda emadodeni. So much for his much talked about intelligence this time uMgabe wazithezela olulenkume. As long as he is there uMoyo uzababhotshisa. I hope he manages to inflict maximum damage before they call his bluff.In the meantime lets all lend him our support and encouragement.
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#5793 - 09/14/04 05:07 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Sheik Mthembo Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 12/27/02
Posts: 629
Loc: The People's Republic of Mthwa...
Hatshi madoda singayengani. John Moyo will never destroy Zanu PF. On the contrary Moyo will be destroyed by ZPF. For now he is useful to Mugabe and ZPF. He is toiling hard to entrench ZPF power in Mat'land. I should admit that the probability of him winning that seat in Tsholotsho is high with his fraudulent politics.

The time has not come yet for ZPF and Mugabe to declare that he has had his day, that he is no longer useful in their plans. Once that time comes they will destroy him and send him packing. At that point, having made so many enemies, he will be an exposed individual vulnerable to the aggrieved jackals that are after his soul.

He will run to the bushes and the bushes will never offer him refuge!

He will run to the rocks and the rocks will rock him with their sharp edges!

And eventually he will try the sea waters and the sea waters will be boiling!

Let us wait and observe this political drama unfolds.

The end result of the political life of this character will be intriguing just like his turncoat politics. One can discern a tragic end to his life and it will make an interesting reading. I might be wrong. Time will tell and time will be the witness of these political events.
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#5794 - 09/14/04 07:46 PM Re: Jonathan Moyo
ndumelihle Offline
Sakhamuzi
Registered: 06/10/04
Posts: 54
Loc: Cardiff
Jonathan Moyo is indeed a powerful man who can decide to fire a football commentator etc, a man who can be seen as a saviour of the people of Matebeleland, a man who can sponsor beauty contests in Tsholotsho, a man who has built a univesity for the people of Lupane, a man who has made sure that ZBC plays Sendekera mwana wevhu every now and then,pays people to represent his interests in discussions like these. He knows where his livelihood is, does not care what the Msikas/Dabengwas, Nkomos say because he is the annointed son,an untouchable.He represents an evil regime which controls every aspect of our lives.He presides over a ministry that denies us the very right that we took arms for.It is his word that we ought to listen and read. We have no news to analyse except his views and no wonder some of us hero worship him.In the 80s ,he used to pretend to support Shadreck Gutto's views on the'Road to Socialism' programme. In the end only Gutto was told to leave the country. He has been and still is Zanu through and through. He was being used as a vehicle for democratic debate when infact he was pretending so as to expose those that dare critiscise. Where are the likes of Mthandazo Ndema Ngwenya/Themba Nkabinde?to name just a few.Whatever agenda Jonathan has for Matebeleland I bet it is for the benefit of the Shonas.Mugabe was gone had it not been for Jonathan. How then do you explain someone who saves the skin of one who maimed, raped and killed our brothers in Matebeleland South/Midlands.Now he has the guts to parade our sisters, when our kin lie in unmarked graves and his master has not even bothered to talk about the details of the massacres.
Empini
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#5795 - 09/15/04 06:17 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Lobengula Offline
Nkosi
Registered: 09/16/03
Posts: 1077
Loc: Tsholotsho *****
Ndumenhle

Unfortunately, rhetoric will not defeat reality. The politics of sloganeering, clap-trap statements, rhetorical and oratorial statements will not link our rural schools with the digital hi-tech cyber world which defines global business and knowledge currently. This that our rural schools have been left languishing in sordid and squalid conditions in the neighbourhood of the stone- age era for so long, demands a realistic approach which is way above the sound and fury of empty hot air.
What ever some of us think, the numerous Mthwakazians in places like Insiza, Tsholotsho etc who have benefitted directly from his enhanced delivery programme, will bury this mad maverick professor with respect and dignity the day Zanu-PF decides to kill him.

In the 1960s, when Demitrio Tsafendas, a coloured man decided to accept a job offer as a messenger for former South African president Dr Hendrik Verword (the father of apartheid) the man who introduced legislated apartheid in South Africa, he was ostracised and ridiculed by his people for "supping" with the devil. In 1966, Demitrio Tsafendas shocked the whole world when he stabbed Dr Hendrik Verword to death live in parliament. Not only did he become an immediate hero to his people, but he is the man who killed apartheid itself. That incident drew the whole world's attention to South Africa and the anti-apartheid movements grew like wildfire across the globe. Tsafendas was buried with dignity and honour when he died two years ago, by his Greek community (he was a crossbrid of a black and Greek), and several leading political figures in South Africa.
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#5796 - 09/15/04 07:35 AM Re: Jonathan Moyo
Bhudaza Offline
Ndunankulu
Registered: 11/09/02
Posts: 649
Loc: Byo, Mthwakazi *****
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Lobengula:
<strong> Tsotsi & Mabs

It is significant to note that since 1980, all Mthwakazian leaders in ZANU-PF, MDC or ZAPU pf, Zapu 2000, ZAPU (Madlela), ZAPU (Siwela), PF-ZAPU, have never delivered even a pin to the people of Matebeleland. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The like of Nkomo tried. One of his endevours, a Medical centre was recently closed down, why? What about oSikhanyiso, banengi koBulawayo abafundiswa nguyena.

Besides a quasi one party state was detroyed by the people of Matabeleland. Zanu would still be sitting on their laurels if they were not under threat. The real amaNdebele deserve the accolade, not a twisted emotional turncoat acting on the orders of his masters.
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