Shame, R.I.P. Cde. Zvobgo. If we could face the facts as they are, that is one man who has always wanted to show the reason why he holds the longest list of educational degrees. Of late he has been a thorn in the ZANU flesh and they have had an attempt on his life. They will lay him in the Thugs Acre but deep down in their hearts they are happy he can't challenge them from the grave.

This site never ceases to amaze me. Someone calls Zobgo "Cde"!!!!. Some one affectionately says" Eddie". This is one hell of a chap who never did anything for Mthwakazi. Zobgo is the very person who drafted the Zim constitution that created all the executive powers for Mugabe and ultimately turned him into a dictator. He is the author of Zim's constitution that has made it impossible for any other political party to win elections( eg giving Mugabe the right to appoint 30 un elected MPs, right to appoint Chiefs who by virtue of their offices then also become MPs). Zobgo was the brains behind the so-called Unity Accord of 1987 that swallowed our beloved ZAPU.
Zobgo upon appointment as justice minister way back in 1980 went on to rewrite the whole constitution reducing it to toilet paper levels.

But again different standards (double standards apply?) in this forum depending on who you are. For example if Lobengula had paid his last respects to Zobgo like the honourable gentleman has done above, calling him a " Cde" , true to form certain individuals would have had sleepless nights. But alas, Kwazi has done so without attracting the same kind of rebuke or disapproval that is always reserved for some.
Someone above sobbingly refer to Zobgo as " Eddie is no more"
Hayi, kusemzini wezinsizwa ngempela lapha ekhaya. Kuyanyiwa, kudabuka ibhulugwe.

Lobengula

Do not feel shy to take a swipe if you feel it is necessary to do so, because it won't stop the rest from doing so at you if they feel you are in error. Ungesabi umnyama ongelampisi. Zvobgo and Jonathan seem to have found themselves in the wrong fold were they had to sell their souls to stay alive. But just as you would say they have/had their 'good' moments.

Nxa uvuthuza ndoda vuthuza hayi ukuhlaba umkhosi kuqala.

MBACUNDINI

Please enlighten me about the 'good moments' zikaZobgo. Do you mean 'good moments' in the context of benevolence yakhe that benefitted uquqaba lukaMthwakazi? If so, then tshela mina ndoda.

Please, please ngicela ungizwe kahle, ngesenzangakhona. Give me facts, not emotions. Ungezi ne-toilet phrases zakho please. Reserve the toilet stuff for another occassion. Angilwi, ngicela sixoxisane ngenhlonipho.

Keep it clean Mbacundini.


uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
uVeyane.
Inkwali yenkosi.
umcondo yegusha.

Inxangiphilile.
KwaMtubatuba.
KwelikaMthaniya.

Sphepheli

Ngiyayibonga imibono yakho ebalulekileyo ngaphezulu baba.

Uthi wena:

"Nxa uvuthuza ndoda vuthuza hayi ukuhlaba umkhosi"

Kodwa ke bengifunda imibhalo yakho ngale ukhala esibuhlungu isililo uthi wena uMntongenakudla ukutshaye enkabeni.

Angisazi ukuthi whether ngi "vuthuze" kumbe nje ngidonse imvubu kusukume imvuthu zendlebe yendoda leziboya kanye lendebe zemiliomo angazi baba.

I would like to think that I am consistent and not in anyway showing signs of double dealing or threatening to be a turncoat. Therefore everyboby will know my feelings about the tone of the postings. Just because I have chosen to exercise my well timed silence and reserved my eloquent speech for other issues does not mean my views have changed.

God said to Israel,I will fight your wars for you,even when you seem to be in bondage,canaan is still your promised land'.


Majikijela
One who sees the storm coming before the clouds appear

Lobhengula, amandebele lani liduba ngokuswela izinto zokupopota ngazo sometimes. whether i call him Eddie, Edzora, or Eddison don't mean nothing to me. I never benefited from the man, nor do i know of anybody in my family/friends circle who have, or in the entire Mthwakazian community for that matter. My knowledge of the man's history is next to zero. Eddie is a short for Eddison, and please don't read too much into it. I have no respect for any one in the Zanu pf, past, present, or future.

Must i think that you'll also object to me calling Joshua Nkomo "Josh"! because he capitulated to Shona overtures??

Lobhengula wamaWaba wena owaqothula uMbiko kaMadlenya loZwangendaba wakhe labo besaziqhenya ukuthi baqothula amabhunu kaNdaleka bawadonsa langamadevana, ibala elithi cde is completely and solely associated with any ZANU thug that has lived from the spoils of Mgakla, it has nothing to do with humanising a dog 2) R.I.P. to me means 'rise if possible' so now re-read my previous entry with this new idea. After all we are from a society that is fond of pampering even the worst criminal with a colourful graveside send-off speech........nga ngone bani nxa ngibuka oselungela ukuya eThugs Acre?...........Buza mina ngikutshele.

Bandla,

u-Zvobgo is exactly what Lobengula described of the man.He was the chief-architect of the current constitution in Zimababwe.During his hay days in Zanu he was at the fore-front at suppressing our people.Kafe laye njengabanye,kulani kanti?

On the contrary I personally cannot equate Zvobgo to Jonathan since the latter has not been involved in the murder of our people.Before the Laws that were crafted by MOYO were imposed our people did not have any freedom anyway,so to clamour that NGO are affected and so and so is rather far-fetched.Otherwise most of these NGO have ulterior agendas in their operations that is why they are affected by the said laws.

Jonathan Moyo should be blamed for having killed the people of Mthwakazi and so far I have not heard that he has done so.

Bandla...why is that every small thing leads to endless personal attacks.All of a sudden people have diverted from the main topic,ngokuphenduka kwelihlo sokuhlizwana.
kuze kube nini?

Mabandla kaMjokwane

quote:

---

The great Kwazi Yena wrote:
ibala elithi Cde is completely and solely associated with any ZANU thug that has lived from the spoils of Mgakla, it has nothing to do with humanising a dog

---

Kwazi Wena sbali, okusalayo uyibhoza. Uyishaye ekhaleni. Ngikwethulela isigqoko mfanakithi.

Ungijova 9 9!

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
uVeyane.
Inkwali yenkosi.
umcondo yegusha.

Inxangiphilile.
KwaMtubatuba.
KwelikaMthaniya.

Getting your kicks out of clutching at straws, yet upon the surface they flow. He who would search for pearls must dive below.

Nkosi,

Bengithi nxa usola sola ungakhekhelezi. Ngiyabonga ukungizwela kwakho nxa bengidutshuzwa yisigewu sakoMthaniya.

Sikliwi esimpisholo

Wena lopholo omkhulu
Wena nkwali kaJonathan
Wena owafulathela uMthwakazi
Wena ndwagunkulu yaseMthaniya
Wena ogiya ngama'ideas' abanye
Othatha imibhalo yabanye uyenze eyakho
Lembe elikhaliphe ngolimi
Wena owahlambaza kwangathi kuhude impisi
Wena ontamolukhuni lekhandaliyabhoda
Wena ondlebe zendlovu ezihlala zivalekile
Ozwa ofuna ukukuzwa kuphela
Wena owawela uNgulukudela uyodinga ubungcono
Kodwa wabona obakho ubumbacu bungcono

Zwana lapha ulalele, akusimi engathi usale phetsheya UJonathan esebuyela emva. Ungananzelelisisa ngithe 'good' moments not 'good moments'. So, buza futhi! Uzithi ufundile khonapho.

Some of us remain consisten in these issues. We do condemn Zvogbo in equal measure as our turncoat J. Moyo..

Where are double standards in that?

For once, Lobengula we have agreed. How I wish you could hammer the turncoat J. Moyo,the way you are hammering Zvogbo!

They are both great others of the draconian laws that are perpertuating Mugabe's rule!

We would accuse you of double standards. Why hammer Zvogbo who is responsible for wrting up the constitution and not hammer Moyo responsible for POSA and other draconian laws he has come up with to make our life difficult in Zim?

Akutsho!

NDINGASITHEBENI
Mbacu

Now you're showing your true colours ndoda. Uzikhumula ibhulukwe wena ngokwakho enkundleni ukuze abantu babone ubunqunu bakho. Uyazihlaza wena ngokwakho. Uzakhela udumo lobuphukuphuku enkundleni.

Sekuyacaca ukuthi noma uyindoda endala, umqondo wakho kusengowosana olukhasayo. Ushukuthi ukhona umuntu omdala ongachitha isikhathi sakhe ebhala inkondlo ebole kanje? Ukwenza kwakho kushiya umphakathi wenkundla ungenakunqikaza ukuthi awufundile ngempela.

Mfokazana, ungehlule ngempela. Kudingeka uye esikoleni for your own good. You can't continue sinking deeper and deeper into these toilet levels that you're so fond of. Kanti wena awenyanyi ngani amagama aqondene ne-toilet kunye nokuhlambalaza emphakathini? Washonaphi unembeza kuwena?

Ngiyakudabukela muntu wenkosi. You're a sad case that invokes pity.

I won't insult you. I hereby withdraw all the clean rigorous debates I've been taking to your doorsteps with a view towards weaning you off the toilet stuff that runs in your system. You're beyond teaching on fundamentals of clean debating in a democratic forum.

Shame muntu kaNkulunkulu. Seek help Ndingasithebeni. You're doing yourself grave harm everyday by letting your emotions reign over reason. Try to learn the good clean stuff from the think tanks of this forum baba. Man was born for greatness - not to sink to such low toilet mentality. Get up and do something better, ezokwenza uhlonipheke laph' enkundleni, hhayi ukuzeyisa, uzihlaza emphakathini!

Shame muntu kaJehova.

uMntongenakudla kaNgogwane waKwaDlangezwa.
uVeyane.
Inkwali yenkosi.
umcondo yegusha.

Inxangiphilile.
KwaMtubatuba.
KwelikaMthaniya.

Kulenhlamba ezithile esezilokuvela ezehlisa isithunzi sal'Inkundla kunye lesalabo abazikhulumayo. Sicela lixoxe ingqondo lanxa kunge vunyelwana. Ukuthukana kakulethi sithunzi.

Enkundleni,

Ngiqale ngokuthi madoda, angizangathuka. Ngiyabonisa.

Indaba kaMthwakazi le under iZanu-PF government siyengula phezulu abanengi. Ngikutsholo ngoZvobgo. Kulabo abamaziyo kahle hle ngama early days of Zimbabwe's (as opposed to Mthwakazi's) independence lizamkhumbula ukuthi wayethi nxa ekhuluma ngoNkomo leZAPU enyanye umuntu weNkosi aze akhohlwe lona ibizo leZAPU laye uNkomo. Lizakhumbula njalo kulabo abasebevuleke amehlo ukuthi uNkomo wathi eorganiza iround the coutry trip yakhe ukuthi athi prove ukuthi he was a free man to go to any corner of Zimbabwe (which was true), uZvobgo organised amathugs eZanu-PF (and I believe amathugs la asekhulile and abound in both Zanu-PF and MDC) ukuthi athi attack Nkomo's car.

Lizakhumbula njalo ukuthi uZvobgo, to the total disregard of those warning him, pushed this executive president thing with a zeal that went beyond the call of duty. Does this say anything about his presidential ambitions?

Sibuye la.

Kulezinto that are done by a collectivity in the name of the collectivity. The unprovoked attack on Mthwakazi ngo 1980-1987, uZvobgo was party to. He is responsible as part of that collectivity. Asimzwanga differing. But some time in 1999 or thereabouts, he tried to claim ignorance of the goings-on in Matebeleland. But so has Enos Nkala.

Surely uMgaxabe loPerence Shiri must have a similar right to plead igorance.

Ngizakumalapha. Hatshi ngoba ngifuna, kodwa ngoba sokusopha ukuthi kanti ubuwula obungaka osobuphakathi kukaMthwakazi buvela ngaphi.

Kodwa sokunginukela santunjana lapha eNkundleni. Isitha sesingenile.

Ngifung'uNdingase

Yim'iMamaba eleLipstick

From 1982-7, uZobho lo ubengu Minister of Justice and siyazi ukuthi i justice ebiphiwa amaNdebele ibe ingenjani.

Namhla lokhe bekhona abakithi e Sikulubhi prison, babotshwa kudala ngabo 1980s, kuthiwa ngama 'dissident'.

Namhla liyamkhalela u Zobho? Heyi lina!

another zanu pf thug leaves this planet.singakhohlwa ukuthi uzvobgo nguye owa draft the constituion leyi epha ubob all these powers.

Sinathamahewu,

Hatshi mfowethu ngiyazwisisa inxabano yakho lo-Lobs but ungaze wasuka besenixabana lobangaphi.

Ngemibhalo engaphezulu lapha kusobala noma lakubani ukuthi u-Jonathan Moyo ufela nje ukuthi wadinga umsebenzi kuMgabe wawuthola.There is no way we can equate the man to the likes of Zvobgo whose track-record has been listed above.Ngiyakuxwayisa ndoda ukuthi nxa lixabana lo -Lobs do not cloud your brilliance with un-necessary shoddy comments.e.g equating Zvobgo to Jonathan Moyo and questioning where Jonathan gets the money to give to the people of Tsholotsho.Have you ever questioned where the other Ministers in Mgaxa government get the money from to donate to Mashonaland and their constituencies?

Ngaphandle kwe AAIPA le POSA eza last year ubulele bani uMoyo?In which collective decision has he participated which resulted in the targeting of Mthwakazians?How is he different form Sithembiso Nyoni,D Dabengwa,J Nkomo,Dr Mthuli Ncube,and other leading Mthwakazians working for the current government.Uzondelwani u-Jonathan aze alinganiswe lababulali babafowethu abayaziwayo?

Mthwakazi yikudubeka kumbe yikudutshwa osokulenza lilwe lina lodwa lilwiswa lishona lona eselizifele laya kwalo egehena kumbe kuheaven..ngeke bafethu likhuphane imiphimbo ngenxa yembono nje ngomuntu osezifele njalo olishona....manje lizakwenza njani lina lodwa nxa selibusa elenu ilizwe.
hayi booh bantu.

Umbono wakho Sirimula uyafana lowam. We are not encouraged to participate in this kind of debate, because it does not promote understanding among us the Mthwakazians. This shows that even if we are in a position of power, fighting and misunderstanding will be order of the day - for nothing and among ourselves.

This reflects that some of us if given the opportunity for power, they would not act differently from mgaxa. Its very sad.

Zobho is dead and has not done good stuff for us when he was alive, lets look at the our future as mthwakazi people.

Sibalukhulu,

Uxolo enkundleni. Ngiyazi ukuba akulunganga lokhu ebesengikwenza phezulu lapha. Ngizazama ukuchaza isizatho ngingatsho ukuthi bengiqondile.

Mntongenakudla,

Uxolo mnakwethu nge'behaviour' yami engaphezulu. I was just making the point yokuthi nxa sixoxa kasixoxeni singathukani njalo singeyisani kumbe ukululazana. Kakumnandi ukuba yi'recipient' yalokho engikuqambe phezulu. Kungabamnandi kuma'launcher' kodwa kumathukwa kusuka kubabe njengenyongo.

I did not enjoy indulging in that kind of behaviour and hope/wish not to again.

Nxa umuntu engakwabithi imicijo yabanye akumelanga ebesethuka loba ukululaza abanikeze leyo micijo. We are not in competition enkundleni but sidinga ukwakhana lokuthuthukisana. We are in CO-PETITION i.e co-operative competition to bring out the best in all of us , by us, for us.

I like and enjoy the way you write very much. Its informative, direct to the point and mind-opening, sehlukana nje ekululazeni kumbe ekweyiseni imicijo eyabe ilethwe ngabanye qha. Done with respect and tolerance your act will be hard to follow at the same time benefitting everybody in this forum.

Ngiyabonga.

Sphepheli

Uyindoda baba. Izinga lesithunzi sakho liyakhuphuka mfowethu nxa usenza isibonelo esinje, ukhomba abafowenu indlela elembeko lomthetho njengejaha leSintwini elikhuliswe ngenhlonipho lokuzigqaja. Lokhu kukhomba sobala ukuthi awusiqaba kumbe imenemene lomuntu elingela nhlonipho kunye lokuthembeka. Endulo isibonelo esinjebesitholakala kumaqhawe esizwe. Ingathi uquqaba lukaMzilikazi lungafunda kuwe baba mayelana lokuzenhlisa phansi lenhlonipho le oyikhomba abahlonitshwa laba abangabaphathi balesi sigungu lapha esitshona sixoxa, sixukuzisa, sinyeya, siqamba amanga, sisakha imizi, sifunda njalo sikhaliphisa imiqondo yethu.

Kanti maNdebele athandekayo, sesingamakhiwa yini akhala aze alove emsebenzini nxa efelwe yinja? U-Zvobgo wayeyinja njalo ufe eyiyo, okhalela umgaxa ufile uzimotshela ixesha. Thina abanye asilasikhathi sokudla, kufile okuyinja kothuvi. period