We do not shed a tear the final fall of Dr Mzee.


We hope he goes to Hell.

corrections: We do not shed a tear for the final fall of Dr Mzee

Well, l agree with you Dingani. People should not be afraid to share happiness at news of a fallen "hero". Why should one mourn a man who devoted his entire life to bringing down the lives of ordinary Zimbabweans. l was very much surprised to hear that the MDC crew attended the funeral gathering of Dr Mzee. How could they...? These so-called "heros" are all guilty by association. Bob formulates these policies that result in butchering of Mthwakazi and total exclusion from the national cake. Guess who supports and implements these policies, the so-called "heros". If they are true heros they should show some backbone, disagree or quit Zanu-Pf rather keeping quiet. I personally salute the likes of Dr Nkosana Moyo - these are true heros.

we do feel sick when such destructive vimpire characters, who presided over the genocide of thousands of innocent Matabele law abiding citezens, on the grounds of belonging to a 'wrong ethnic group',are eulogised and described as 'heroes par excellence'.

The so called Dr Mzee unfortunately is one of them.

How can murderers who went to their graves with blood of the innocent still dripping off their fingers be accorded such 'hero status'?

What is a hero? Is it one who butchers the very people he claimed to have liberated?

We are seeing murderers and psychopaths being accorded the hero status by other murderers and other psychopaths of the ZPF camp.

In Zimbabwe, the word Hero has lost its meaning and value!

The butchers of Matabeleland are called heroes! Well they say another man's meat is another man's poison.

In this case those perceived by Shonas as heroes are indeed perceived by the Ndebeles as murderers and tyrants who deserve hell. The so called Dr Mzee deserves hell too.

Our heroes of the likes of Joshua Nkomo, Malunga and others do not deserve the INSULT of resting in the same place with the very genocidal psychopaths who murdered thousands of our people!

Lihlazo leli.

We will need to rebury them in our independant Mthwakzi Heroes Acre, hatshi amanyala awempumalanga.

We do not make an apology for saying so.

Isimanga, njalo inkinga mpela, yikuthi bakhona abantu abacabanga ukuthi iziphathamandla zabetshabi zinakho ukuguquka, zibenobuntu. Mpela, nokhu kuyinto engiphica kahle hle, mihla ngemihla.
Kumgceke kuningi labantu ukuthi bona abetshabi baphilela ukudiliza yonke impucuko mhla kwasa, besidla ezimali ezishisayo. Mina ngokwami angazi cha ukuthi vele umtshabi ushoni uma ethi "iqhawe". Kambe bayazi nababantu ukuthi yintoni iqhawe? Okwamanje, sengathi bayadlala; badonsela igama "iqhawe" khona le odakeni lapho ababhinqika khona. Inhlekisa nje.

Olunye udaba abangalwazi nababantu yilokhu: ilembe linakho ukukhohlwa, cha umuthi. Kunjalo nje,kuyiqiniso ukuthi oxhawula isandla sombulali udla icala. Mthwakazi, babengasomi abadala uma bethi umqokolo wemfene (kumbe umswane wedube) ngosesiswini. Mawucabange kabuhlungu ngalindaba.

Ngiyema.

Pliz allow me to take this discussion further.l have so many questions in my mind on the Dr Mzee funeral with respect to the MDC. May be you guys can help me. Does it mean that the MDC recognise Dr Mzee as a hero? If so, it follows without question that "The Big Brother" is therefore a hero. Does all this mean that the MDC now recognise "The Big Brother" as the legitimate leader of Zimbo?

Assuming Tsvangirai dies, will he be declared a national hero? Will Bob attend his funeral? Remember what happened to Dr Sithole? Ironical he was facing the same treason charges (plotting to assassinate "The Big Brother), that Tsvangirai is facing. Was he declared a national hero? Did "The Big Brother" attend Dr Sithole's funeral ?
Can anyone who is knowledgeable on the subject shed some light or indeed "The Big Brother" considering these days he has more time since he is no longer globe trotting

what my brother Nduku is saying is true indeed. As I have said b4 Ubuqhawe has lost its meaning in Zimbabwe and indeed it has been dragged to the muddy waters of Shonalism.

Ubuqhawe from a Shona perspective means being a butcher of the Matabele or currently from a ZPF's point of view being the butcher of MDC activists or those who hold a different opinion from that of ZPF!

not taking much from the works of Dr Mzee during the liberation struggle, he was indeed a hero before and immediately after the attainment of independence. however we have witnesed these guys systematically undoing their heroic deeds immediately after independence.Mzenda was very central to the crimes against humanity perpetrated by ZPF against the Matabeles in the early 80's. as we all know this calminated in the massacre of over 20 000 of our own kith and kin, who were law abiding citizens who rigthfully believed that a black led state, unlike a white colonial led state will protect them rather than butcher them. the opposite happened.

their first undoing of their heroic acts started with the butcher of the Matabele innocents in the name of Shona hegemonism in pursuit of total dominance and subjugation of the minority groups in Zimbabwe.

that is indeed a sad and black chapter in Zimbabwean politics. we the survivors are here to remind those living and those in their graves that they are not our heroes, bu our butchers and geneocidal psychopaths

they may viewed by their own as heroes but we view them as genocidal psychopaths who deserve hell in heaven

we reject firmly the heoric eulogies being accorded these political thugs and genocidal criminals of Zimbabwe.

it is sad that characters like Mzenda never had the opportunity to go to the dock and explain their barbaric and evil deeds


Nyasombi, what you are saying is true. I doubt that cde Tswangilayi can be declared a hero in Zimbabwe if he were to die today. In ZPF eyes he is a traitor, period!

they will even not bother to attend his funeral, yet cde Tswangilayi and his MDC cdes make a shame of themselves by attending such funerals.

they will do a repeat of the Sithole saga, yet they can declare characters like Mr Hunzvi as a hero!

Shonalism in Zimbabwe has grown to prpotions of Nazism or what I would like to call 'black tribal apartheid'

it is on the rise and we've got to break the neck of this black tribal apartheid!

we as daughters and sons of Matabeleland we should engage in activities that will break it.

kumele siHlasele

Bafowethu
Is this the proper forum to refer to a murderer like Muzenda as "Dr Mzee". Who granted him the honoray doctorate ? Was it the University of Zimbabwe? Is this not the same tribalist institution which consistantly refused to honour our hero, the late, Dr Joshua Nkomo? Dr Nkomo was honoured by Morehouse College in the US but could not be honoured by a stupid institution which he helped to liberate. What about former Zipra commanders like ,the late, Lookout Masuku? Dumiso Dabengwa?. Were these valiant and gallant Ndebele heroes honoured? How come their Zanla counterparties were honoured eg. Solomon Mujuru, Josiah Tungamirai etc? Are these not the people who were in the helm of the army when more than 30 000 innocent people were butchered in cold blood in Matebeleland? Did these so-called Drs raise a finger in protest against unprovoked savagery directed at our people?
In Swahili the word "Mzee" was popularised by Jomo Kenyatta, the late former president of Kenya who was affectionately referred to as Mzee Kenyatta. The question is what does the word Mzee mean in Swahili? It means the "wise" one who has got a vision. Bafowethu can we refer to an imbecile like Muzenda as a wise one? Are we the kind of gentlemen who should be blindly eulogising a disorianted and deranged man like Muzenda who is best remembered for his famous words " if ZANU PF puts a baboon as a candidate just vote for that baboon" Are we not paying dearly now with these baboons eating all the maize and turning the country into a pig sty (to steal from Jazi?/Marcus?)? In conclusion let me suggest that we stop equating this murderer who presided over a brutal regime to the likes of Mzee Kenyatta or Dr Josh Nkomo. His liberation war credentials are not only scanty and far between but they are also questionable because history including the one our students are forced to learn which has been doctored and massaged in favour of ZANU PF is completely silent on this enigmatic man. The only known fact is that he was a wood-work teacher for primary school kids. It would be interesting if there is any surviving student who was "taught" by that man. Bafowethu iam not even suggesting that you must waste your precious and valuable time trying to research some of these irregularities because it is not worth it, its a zero-sum game. Rather refer to him using his full first , middle and last name to show your disgust at this butcher. We told them that history will jugde them harshly.

Lobengula

Uyitshaya ekhanda. Isixliwi yisixliwi. Inyamazana yinyamazana, njalo nje inyamazana ize ibengcono kakhulu. Ukuzifananisa laye uMzenda yikuzithethisa njalo yikuzithuka kakhulu.

I have always thought this doctorate yakhe ngeyokubaza. I thought wayetshaya i-distance learning layo le ZPF university to get his doctorate

Nanzelela ukuthi we have also referred to him as the 'so called Dr Mzee'.

If Mzee means what you say it means in Swahili then it is an insult that a genocidal psychopath of the like of Mzenda can use it as his name in his aspiration to belong to the wiseman's kingdom. He never did.


It would be an insult to the Swahili people, their language and their culture to have their word borrowed and used by the vampire of Zimbabwe.

LOBENGULA LOTSHALIMANI[CHAIRMAN] LIBETHA KAHLE KAKHULU umzenda wayeyinyanga kamgabe kuphela lapho. njengoba esetshilo okaMATSHOBANA abafuna ukudingisisa ngamacredentials kavengai muzenda lingazihluphi. iZINATHA ingalitshela ngcono ngomzenda.

Bafowethu,

Ngizaphinda njalo ngisitsho ukuba,untane nkukhu litshiyane,owenja ngumdlwane kodwa owe Zanu PF ngumgaxa.
Umgaxa esitwini nxa ufile sigebha igodi silahle sithi "vele kufile bekungenzi lutho lokhu,kuhluleka lokubamba umvundla".
Ufile ungaxa obusehluleka lokukhonkotha khona lokuzinwaya imikhaza.lowo ubenguyise weZanu PF umakhi wayo umuntu obesenza ecatshe ngabanye.

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liyazi inja yinja/umntwana wenyoka ngowenyoka/UMzee wothuvi wancedisa ukubulala abantu bakithi,so bengaziyengi ukuthi sizomkhalela. ONE DOWN,WHO IZ NEXT? BAZOVUMA.
kubobonke abasemazweni ngithi linanzelele amaswina,bakhona abelokhu bemsapota njalo abalokhu beziqhenya ngegukurahundi.sebebiza iZimbabwe besithi yimgabeland,izinja zothuvi. okuzabuya emaphathini likuxotshe.

Uyazi into edanisayo yikuthi okuyizinto lokhu kusabalele umhlaba wonke.Uyazi lapho engitshova khona ishift kubuya almost every month abesintwini ungababona?

Yafa inyanga yomthakathi wezigodo, how much longer do the 'people'(ngitsho abantu bantu!) have 2 wait 2 celebrate the demise of GUKURAHUNDI HITLER himself!? Ngadla mina kababa!

yet the so called Matabele liberals would want to convince us, the Matabele conservatives, that the only way forward in Zimbabwe is to seek constructive engagement with these genocidal psychopaths, to move our nation foward.

and we suppose, according to them, this means recognising these criminals as heroes when they die, hence attending their funerals.

sad indeed!

how can one seek constructive engagement with the enemy that is not reforming but continues to cultivate, propagate and engender grand plans of total dominance and exploitation of our own kith and kin?

And this constructive engagement with these hegemonist, according to the liberals, means that we should hero worship them and be submissive to their evil agendas

The protagonist of this school of thought on this forum is a gentleman called Mr Jazi!

He talks of 'progressive elements' from the otherside of the divide. We suppose he recognises Mzenda as a 'progressive element'and as such, if he were home, like other MDCrites, he would have attended Mzendas funeral in the name of constructive engagement with the butchers of Matabeleland

How sad this is.

We believe that Mr Jazi's ideas, noble as they might be and probably said with the best of intentions, do lack a comprehensive assessment of the intentions of the enemy and offer a poor insight of how deadly this enemy is.

Shona hegemonism is not only confined to Mugabe and ZPF! Let us not fool ourselves. They are indeed the architects of all evil that has befallen our people. Therefore no one in his right mind can deny the fact that it is now rooted in every heart, flesh and spirit of a mashona man.

For them to be able to do this, the mashona electorate had to give them a vote of confidence in what they were engaging in. They had to be behind them and indeed that has been the case up to the present time.

We can not be convinced otherwise.

We say liberal ideas will be tolerated well after the hard fought and won struggle against the maShonas.

We therefore believe that the only way out of this is the creation of an independent Mthwakazi state, that will dominate itself and curve its own future without the subjugation and dominance evil policies of the maShona.

Every Matabele son and daughter has a duty to fight for our independence. This duty rests on the shoulders of each and every matabele man.


Bayethe!

JAH DINGANI

lapha uqedile mntaneqhawe. lawo maliberal thinkers acabanga ukuthi amagukurahundi ngumgabe kuphela ngumbhedo lowo. angithi kwakungamashona lokhu okwabojazi ukuthi kwakungela publicity ngegukurahundi akuzwakali those people where allover Matland olukhu engakholwa ukuthi ishona liyabulala kaqhubeke edlelana lawo uzezwa ngejazi.