There are some good Mthwakazi Gentleman who have helped in organizing the visit by Bishop Pius Ncube to Canada. For those in Toronto and Montreal it willl be best to meet him in Ottawa. Here are the details below.


RE: Discussion on Human rights in Zimbabwe with Archbishop Ncube

Hon. David Kilgour and Rabbi Reuven Bulka, interim co-chairs of The All-Party and Interfaith Committee of Canadian Parliament would like to invite you to take part in a discussion on human rights abuses in Zimbabwe. Archbishop Ncube’s presentation, and the discussion to follow, will be held on Tuesday, September 28th, from 4:00pm-6:00pm in Room 112-N, Centre Block, House of Commons.

Mr. Kilgour and Rabbi Bulka have invited a group of High Commissioners, Ambassadors, Members of Parliament, NGOs and Interfaith leaders and would greatly appreciate your presence.

Dade Mabila,

Nansi inkalakatha ye'opportunity' dade eyokuthi siqhube indaba zethu zombangazwe lobaba uNcube. Lingasidanisi bakwethu ngokungayifika khona. Zamani ngazozonke indlela ngoba opportunity knocks once.

Mbizo Mzila, Thanks for the information

Abase Alberta bonani ngaphansi njalo likhangele laku Edmonton journal and sun news papers for further details.


Archbishop Pius Ncube is a clergyman. Born on December 31st, 1946 in Filabusi, Zimbabwe. Ncube was trained for seven years by Jesuits in the former Rhodesia, left to study for two years in Rome and returned to his homeland in the 1970s, at the height independence war. He has witnessed brutality from President Mugabe since the 1980s, when the president was involved in the armed struggle against the Ndebele peoples. Ncube was a member of the Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace (CCJP) team that conducted an inquiry into the atrocities by Government militia against the Ndebele people in the 1980s. The report from this inquiry was withheld by government and never released to the public in the interest of ‘national stability’. The church has been accused of bowing down to Mugabe - some of them have even given their full support to his actions. But not Archbishop Ncube. He has been one of the very few public figures prepared to speak out against Mr Mugabe on the mounting evidence of human rights abuses. condemning the regime for suppressing political liberties, mismanaging the economy, failing to deal with a food crisis and the spread of HIV/AIDS, and adopting a coercive land-reform program. He is an outspoken critic of the President of Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe saying that the president did not care if his people starved and he should stand down. This has put his life in danger, receiving numerous death threats and having his phones tapped. Because of his bravery and outspokenness, Ncube has risen as an internationally acclaimed human rights advocate for the Zimbabwean people. He attended a forum on Zimbabwe at the Carnegie Endowment for InternationalPeace following which he briefed the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell on the human rights situation in Zimbabwe and received recognition for his human rights advocacy from Washington in November 2003. More recently Ncube appeared on BBC’s Hard Talk and briefed Charles, Prince of Wales on Zimbabwe’s deepening economic and social crisis, in London in July 2004.
Selected Media Articles on Archbishop Pius Ncube

http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/200409030248.html

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/tnt.html?tntget=2004/08/28/international/africa/28bishop.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/2981522.stm
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20030521-094802-6837r.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3711153.stm
http://www.genocidewatch.org/ZimbabwePiusNcube.htm
http://www.ianpaisley.org/new_details.asp?ID=111

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/123/25.0.html

http://www.thesoutherncross.co.za/human_rights/gr4.htm


ARCHBISHOP PIUS NCUBE
(Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Bulawayo)

Outspoken Human Rights Advocate, Zimbabwe
presents
Keynote Lecture at a Public Forum
on
Thursday September 23rd, 2004
7pm
ETLC 1
UNIVERSITY OF ALBERTA
The “Zimbabwe Forum Planning Committee” presents Archbishop Pius Ncube in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Ncube is a distinguished speaker with an exceptional record that is recognized internationally and that spans over 30 years, as a human rights advocate. Ncube will speak on issues of relevance to the economic, social and political situation in Zimbabwe. Our goal is to raise public awareness in the Edmonton community on issues of profound importance in Zimbabwe’s deepening economic and social crisis. We would like to foster information dissemination, awareness and discussion of the issues in Zimbabwe in the context of governance challenges in Africa and global implications.
Please join us at a Reception in Archbishop Pius Ncube’s honor on Friday September 24th, 2004 at 7pm hosted by Murungo Gallery The High Street 12505 – 102 Ave (Below Starbucks)

Bafowethu.

Can you confirm the dates for OTTAWA, it might be easier for New Yorkers than Edmonton.

Li Zwangendaba.

ya, ngaze ngafisa ngathi ngihlala eMelika loba khona eCanada. lina abakhonale ngilitshayela ihlombe ngoba libukeka li organised hatshi abe UK. Lingatshingi lina abe UK ngenkulumo yami ngoba vele lilomkhumhlane 'ngiza, ngiza.' Kunini kambe kungabonakali elikuqoqayo. If kukhona phumelani obala kwaziwe.

Archibishop Pius Ncube is the most outspoken leader against the governement of Robert Mugabe today. He has gained national, regional and international recognition, respectability and credibility. Throughout the world he has met and talked with all Zimbabweans regardless of race or tribe. He is the oil in the troubled waters of tribal relations in Zimbabwe today.

That being said there are intriguing questions i would like to pose if he were to shift the paradigm or dimension and become a fully-fledged politician.
1) Is it possible or permissible in the Roman Catholic to be a man of God and a politician at the same time? This might be the reason why he is reluctant in becoming a politician, he will loose his job, he will loose the platform on which he has sprung to prominence from, he will loose his source of livelihood. Maybe people will not give him the support he will need.
2) Could he be capable of transfering his skills of leadership to politics, that is to unite the different and somewhat antagonistic tribes in Zim. Would the respect that the people of zim are according him now not dissipate and people rivert to their tribal allegiances if he were to form a political party? Or the issue is not in forming a political party but joining a political party. If he were to join a party like the MDC, how possibly would it be to harness and utilise his leadership skills.
3) If Pius were to form a political party, how would he work with a party like the MDC, wouldn't this split the opposition and bring confusion into the already confused political arena in zim?

4) Many agree and i do, that Pius is a brave man, but is he a visionary leader, does he posses the abilities to start and sustain a long campaign against the incumbent government? Being a brave lead is a good trait, but to see or have means to see the future and how to bring about the success of the struggle is an advantage. Could he do better than Tswangilayi?

5) Or Pius would be best as a Mthwakazi leader for the cause of Mthwakazi?

Zwangendaba ,
Ungakhangela kuhle ku article ka Bhekuzulu kule date lesikhathi khonapha .ubhke la okule invitation khona uzayibona i date ,Sitholane khona angitsho phela

Bafowethu.

Sengilubhekise khona. Ngibonge kakhulu.

Li Zwangendaba.

Bafowethu.

Baba Sibambamahawu. Imibuzo yakho izikile uqobo.

Mina inye kuphela into engingayitsho. INKOKHELI YINKOKHELI NGABANTU. Akusuye ababa u Ncube onga yekethisa. Yilabo abambambisa umsebenzi.

The questions should be directed at us.

HOW LONG SHALL HE TALK ALONE. HOW LONG IS THAT BEACON TO SHINE BEFORE THE OIL RUNS OUT???

Li Zwangendaba.

Baba Zwangendaba,

Hawu kuyabongeka nkosi yami ukuzwa lokubona abantu abanjengani abasukumela phezulu nxa umkhosi uhlatshwa. Nyawo ezilula njalo ezinhle baba, phuthumani liyesizwela, nkosi.

La aphezulu awadingi kungezelelwa baba, amqotho, agubha abanjengathi esilesidensi. Sokusele kithi ukuthi sibambe siqine siqinise esifisa ukuba basithungamelele.

It really does one's heart good to see the good hearts Mthwakazi has at work.

May we please have some feed back on the Pius Ncube visit held in Canada izolo from those who managed to attend? I'm eager to find out what exactly the gentleman said and what the response from the invited guest like?

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"Share your knowledge.It's a way to achieve immortality"

Bafowethu.

Sengiphendukile e CANADA. Ngibonga amadlozi akithi ngoba angicelele ku Nkulu-Nkulu indlela yaba mhlophe nke.

Ubaba u Ncube is a statesman. At least that is my personal opinion, abanye bangabona ngezabo indlela. Most people in CANADA are ignorent of the plight of the people in Zimbabwe, and that is exactly what Ncube highlighted. He said his politics is not party politics, but politics of concern for the plight of the disadvantaged. His emphasis was on that the people of Zimbabwe at the present moment are leaderless. I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM ON THAT. He also suggests that people should have caurage to demonstrate as that will bring awarenes to the outside world. You can tell that he is a man with a conviction. He also believes that many Zimbabweans "vote with their feet." A point that we discussed at length the 2 of us because he feels that people do not want to stay in Zimbabwe. But we both agreed that threats are the ones that make people leave the country. We both had no solution as to how we can suggest a stop to the assassinations and imprisonment of people by the Mgakla regime.

At this meeting, there was the BOTSWANA diplomat, who spoke about the Zimbabwe immigrants to her country. What reports they were receiving from their citizens, and what solution the people of Zimbabwe had. After the meeting we exchanged contacts, but I can only go and speak to her as an individual, if I fail to get anyone to go with me. That again is not healthy as one voice is not enough. Also, I will speak to her mostly on ZAPU policies. Since this Nkundla has different political opinions, it is best that we see her with a wide representation. This is what she said to me: " The question of Matebeleland is high on the discussions in her Gov, but it has to be approached with caution so that it is not interpreted as one nation interfering on the domestic problems of another."

I was however lonely in a house with 7 Zairians, 3 Malawians, 4 Zambians, 3 Ghanaians, 4 Ba-Tswana, I do not know how many Canadians but they were many, and there were 4 Shonas, and I was the only Mthwakazian, besides ubaba uNcube. I must say I felt disappointed indeed.

For a man of cloth, I think he was articulate on the issues of economic decline in Zimbabwe. I wish that Chakakagugu could listen to Ncube very well, because he has good points on issues that erode the economy of the country.

I gather he is still going to be arround for some time in CANADA. Mthwakazi, the man needs support, not TALK.

I have to go to sleep now.

Li Zwangendaba.

Kambe shuwa Baba Skuvethe!! That is a painful observation indeed. To think ukuthi uZwangas travelled all the way from NY but abaseKhanda esibaziyo ukuthi banengi, behluleka. Was it a question of timing, communication or just lack of commitment? Kuyadanisa qotho.

Siyabonga Khazi ukuthi ulokhe uzinikele. Uzakuthini wavela wangena lumango kudala. Uzaze uphutshe. Siyabonga kakhulu ukubakhona kwakho.

Zwangendaba,

Thank you very much for the feed back. I’m glad you made it to the meeting, but disappointed at the fact that you were the one Ndebele apart from Ncube in the crowd. I thought they would be more of us looking at the fact ukuthi uNcube is part of us.i’m sure ukuthi laye udanile kakhulu engaboni abantu besindebeleni in numbers.Anyway ngiyabonga for representing us khonale Zwangendaba.

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and there were 4 Shonas, and I was the only Mthwakazian, besides ubaba uNcube.

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Mandebele I think it’s about time we wake up. We have been sleeping for far too long. Sihlala sikhala saying 'abetshabi have done this and that', looking they are the ones taking up issues at hand. What I've noticed one thing ngathi amandebele is that siyakhuluma to much and don’t act then we are quick in fact very quick ekusoleni.

It's time we start taking things up more seriously coz at the rate we are going abetshabi are always going to take advantage.

vukani mandebele!!!

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Hlathi,

You can say that again....and again....and again!

Zwangendaba ,
Ngivumelan lawe baba ekutheni kwakunguwe wedwa e Ottawa i office eyenza amalungiselelo lawo khonangale yatsho layo yathi idaniswa ngabantu bakithi abangafuni ukufika kubo ngezikhathi zama lungiselelo ngemva komhlangano bayatsho futhi ukuthi abakholwa ukuthi babe khona kodwa babona amadoda esintwini ambalwa nje .Mina ngiye ngamduduza ngathi yikwesaba kwabantu bakithi.

La engikhona mina lakho abaka Mthwakazi babeba lutshwana kakhulu kodwa ke wahlangabezwa li qekana likaMthwakazi elazimisela ukubakhona waze wasuka .Mina lo ngabalaye zonke insuku elapha ngakithi kwesinye isikhathi ngangizithola sesibabili nje amandebele u kuya e Ottawa ngadliwa bakwethu ngathi sengisuka nje ngisenza ama last touches emsebenzi kwavela ukuthi lo obezakubakhona angimile akezange esanelisa ukuba khona kukantike iviki elaledlulile ngangingazange ngilubeke emsebenzi ,
Ngiye ngaxolisa kakhulu e Ottawa ngokungaveli kwami kuleliya hofisa engangivumelane labo ukuba khona .Lami nginje kuyangidanisa ngoba inengi labantu e Ottawa ba ngithinta esazanayo ngabatshela kuhle ngabalayela lalapho abangayakhona ukuthola imililingwane eminengi .Abase Toronto le Montreal madoda asincedisanenini , asiphakameni makulento enje .

Kuyabongeka baba Zwangendaba ukuthi usuke e states (america ) wazofika kuhle , lakusasa ungakhathali baba

uZwangendaba many thanks for this report, highlighting the importance of support for a brave and outspoken community leader.

As you comment it is a sin and a shame that only one good man from Mthwakazi made the effort to support one good man from Mthwakazi.

Congratulations and thanks.

As a white person I have been accused of trying to exploit Pius Ncube's credentials as a spokesman for our civil society for my community's ulterior purposes.

Anyone who listens to Pius Ncube's message knows that good man from Mthwakazi is not exploitable by any human child as he expounds the need for democracy, justice, peace - AND LAND TO THE MASS OF PEOPLE WHO NEED LAND.

Qhawe lamaqhawe,amangwane kaMaseko,mhlonitshwa angilankani mfowethu ngalokhu okwenzileyo ngakho ngikutshayela ihlombe.naso ke indaba bakaMthwakazi,we have been talking about seccesion and federalism,how can we come about it when we can not support each other. Hlathi,at least awuqalanga namhla ukubona ukuthi siyakhuluma kakhulu,from izinto esitshona sizikhuluma lezinto esesizenzile uyenelise ukubona ukuthi thina njengoMthwakazi siphethe emlonyeni nje.ukhokho wami wayethi,"asazi batayi",ugogo yena uthi,"mlori wamandaba".
kwazi umlimu lapho esiyakhona.
ayihlome

Zwangendaba

We truly need amajaha anjengawe who are dedicated and committed to the cause and kuqala kanje.

I have to agree with many that ukungasukumeli phezulu kwabakithi, this political lethargy, this political apathy is our greatest weakness.

Keep up the spirit and keep the fire burning.

Ncube decries ongoing tragedy of Zimbabwe

By Tom Murray
September 24, 2004 - A large audience of students, professors, activists and expatriate Zimbabweans came to hear Archbishop Pius Ncube bear witness to his country's continuing problems during a talk last night at the University of Alberta.

"No, no freedom in Zimbabwe," Ncube, 57, reiterated near the end of his brief talk on that subject last night at the Engineering Teaching and Learning Centre.

“Opposition leaders are harassed and prosecuted but not convicted. They are tortured. One member of parliament told us a horror story -- he was stripped naked, he was electro-shocked, he passed out. Afterwards, he was ordered to drink his own urine. This is torture. I mean, the things that happen in Zimbabwe are absolutely primitive, you can’t believe it, you can’t believe the things that are going on. And these are just the tip of the iceberg--I could stand here and speak for six hours about the evil things that are going on in Zimbabwe.”

He only used 30 minutes, but in that brief time the archbishop spoke bluntly and passionately about the continuing nightmare of life under Robert Mugabe, leader of the Zimbabwe African National Union party. The 80-year-old dictator, who has held firmly to power since 1979, is mostly known to westerners for his seizure of white-owned farms, a policy which has spurred a mass exodus of white Zimbabweans to neighbouring countries and caused domestic food production to plummet since its implementation in 2000.

Ncube touched on that subject, but his remarks mostly looked at other problems facing his beleaguered country--attacks on free speech, a population faced with starvation, torture of dissidents, electoral fraud.

Soft-spoken and articulate, the Roman Catholic ‘rebel priest’ is possibly Mugabe’s greatest domestic critic, speaking out at great risk to his own life. He’s been characterized in Zimbabwe’s state-controlled press as a gay, HIV-infected rapist, and watched carefully by government agents in his jurisdiction of Bulawayo, Zimbabwe’s second largest city. His sermons are subject to close official scrutiny, and his high profile and position within the church have protected him from arrest or worse.

He’ll be in Canada a few days longer, travelling to Winnipeg on Sunday, where he’ll meet with former foreign affairs minister Lloyd Axworthy, before heading to Ottawa to meet with members of parliament and senators before speaking at Carleton University.

Lawyer Brian Kagoro, a Zimbabwean expatriate, started the evening’s proceedings off with an explanation of the impact of colonialism on African nations, honing in on the media’s observations about the continuing problems with the continent’s political changes.

“The whole cultural dimension on the issue of violence is not a product of Mugabe’s misrule,” he asserted, “but a legacy inherited from the colonial process.”

He also spoke briefly and ironically about the American war on terror, and took issue with the western media’s portrayal of despotic African leaders as having some sort of cultural legitimacy.

“There are many, many on the continent who have been reluctant to depart,” he told the rapt audience. “And this is not because of African tradition that emphasizes certain ways of doing things. This is because of the British Westminster system--it doesn’t set a limit on terms of office. So I’m constantly hearing from people who say, ‘This is an African tradition where chiefs are in office forever.’ That’s nonsensical. In the African tradition, when a chief has served his purpose, he would be sent to hunt in some bush. And if he did not return, people would say, ‘Well, some lion chowed him up.’”

Related story

Critic of Zimbabwe’s ruling regime to speak on campus (ExpressNews, Sept. 22, 2004):
http://www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/expressnews/articles/news.cfm?p_ID=6083&s=e

Related link – internal

The U of A’s Middle East and African Studies program webpage:
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~cmeas/programme.htm

Related link – external

The World Factbook's webpage on Zimbabwe:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/zi.html

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Link to the original story: www.expressnews.ualberta.ca/expressnews/articles/news.cfm?p_ID=6090

Zwangendaba!

awu batayi, kuyabongeka lokhu esikwenzelwe liqhawe lesizwe. Siyakwazi ukuthi iqhawe ligqokiswa umqhele seledlule, kodwa mina ngizabangowakuqala ukukwethesa umqhele lo usaphila baba. Ngiswele imilomo eyinkulungwana yokukubonga baba wamaNgwana.

Sengizaswela nje kuphela ukuba seduze lawe ukuze ngifinyelele ukubambisana lawe ekuhambiseni lindaba phambili.

“The whole cultural dimension on the issue of violence is not a product of Mugabe’s misrule,” he asserted, “but a legacy inherited from the colonial process.”

Madoda uqondeni lomfana ngenkulumo enje (Brian Kagoro). by the way Mgaxa was their hero when he was killing amandebele

Kwelangakithi ilokitshi liviki sizakuba lo Bishop Tutu. Ngibuzeni bandla. Ngincedisani?

Abafisa ukungincedisa ngemibuzo, ngicela lingithinte ngasese nge pvt message. Ngingabonga kakhulu Mthwakazi.

Thanks Zwangendaba for your commitment into this. Laminjalo ngithanda ukuthi ngithi "Vukani maNdebele", ilifa lezithutha lidliwa ngaba hlakaniphileyo. Majodo awela abangala mbiza. Umtwentwe uhlaba usamila.

Ngilindile Mthwakazi. Ngcothulani ingcino emilonyeni bantu!!!

Bafowethu.

Ngiyabonga ngokungikhuthaza. Indaba isekuthini asikhuli sisiya emuva. If we do not lay a ground work for our children now, bazasala labo bephikisana eNkundleni njengalokhu esiya sikwenze lathi.

Imbi ye LALAPHANSI, lembi ka TSHANGANE yahlanyela imbewu yomvukela wesizwe samaNdebele. Imbi yalamhlanje ngeyengqondo bafowethu, njalo lathi simele siyingene ukwenzela ukuthi sitshiyele abantwana ilifa.

Had our ancestors been selfish, they would not have left us the legacy we all are competing to outdo each other on. Let us not be selfish, and leave our children without anything to remember us by.

AS LONG AS I HAVE A HEART BEAT, IT WILL PRONOUNCE MTHWAKAZI UNTIL IT STOPS ALL TOGETHER.

Li Zwangendaba.